if Horus was a loyalist..would the heresy of still went on

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**Hierophant**

Mantorok wrote:
Here's the thing, I think most of this would have been fine if the Emperor would have just TOLD his Primarchs what was going on.

Magnus never wanted to betray the Emperor, he even made deals with the warp (unknowingly tzeentch) to force a teleport through the warp to warn the Emp about Horus's betrayal.
This destroyed the Emperors secret webway which screwed up all his plans.
Big E yelled at him, he cried and ran away, and Emperor told Russ to bring him back.
Tzeentch made it so Russ's orders were "Kill him and burn Prospero".
Russ being the Emps executioner was like "OK".
If the Emperor had just told them about the webway, none of that would have happened.

Purtabo would have been fine if the Emperor had a SINGLE compassionate bone in his body, and told Purtabo why he could see the eye of terror, that it was real, instead of calling him crazy.
The rest of the Primarch Pantheon was really dickish to him too. Absolutly no-one showed respect for him or his skills as a diplomat.

Lorgar's existence was a somewhat tragic one as well, if the Emperor had just told him why Lorgar couldn't worship him as a god, then Lorgar could have understood better.
Lorgar was raised in a religious world, and needed a god to worship as part of his core values.
The Emperor wanted nobody to worship anything so the Chaos gods would have less power.

The Emperors flaws were such that he saw his Primarchs as extensions of himself, instead of individuals influenced by the worlds they were raised on.
He expected absolute loyalty without ever giving any of them a reason to be loyal, other than "I'm more powerful than you and therefore leader".

None of these are good enough excuses to murder billions of people.

Magnus has no excuse for being so stupid. He was warned, repeatedly, and he continued to push his luck. Why should he have been trusted with the Webway when he showed he couldn't be trusted to not use his powers? He caused incalculable damage, and was then (rightly) going to be arrested. Horus changed the orders, and Magnus (yet again) couldn't see past his own face. Why Tzeentch thought he'd make a good servant is beyond me. He's just a huge patsy.

Perturabo is essentially a school shooter, and Lorgar is a religious fundamentalist terrorist. Boo hoo, they didn't get enough love. That's not a reason for genocide, and it's not the responsibility of the person who didn't give them that love.

**Mantorok**

Hierophant wrote:

None of these are good enough excuses to murder billions of people.

Magnus has no excuse for being so stupid. He was warned, repeatedly, and he continued to push his luck. Why should he have been trusted with the Webway when he showed he couldn't be trusted to not use his powers? He caused incalculable damage, and was then (rightly) going to be arrested. Horus changed the orders, and Magnus (yet again) couldn't see past his own face. Why Tzeentch thought he'd make a good servant is beyond me. He's just a huge patsy.

Perturabo is essentially a school shooter, and Lorgar is a religious fundamentalist terrorist. Boo hoo, they didn't get enough love. That's not a reason for genocide, and it's not the responsibility of the person who didn't give them that love.

I never said they were good excuses, just that the Emperor is hardly blameless.

I agree with your view on Magnus, however I think that you're too harsh on Purtabo.

Its basically like taking a Loving Hippie and forcing them into violent conflict after violent conflict.
The US tried that during Vietnam, and it royally fethed up the minds of tons of people.
There's a reason the armed forces are volunteer now, with a draft unlikely outside of national invasion/disaster.

I would make the same argument for Lorgar if it wasn't for the fact that he had waged a war across most of his planet in pursuit of his view of religion.
So yeah, you nailed it on that one.