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2016/05/11 22:39:54
Subject: Re:Fantasy Battles: The 9th Age has arrived
At it's core WHFB is a fun game. Although lots of 'dead' games do live on and have established player bases, it's nice that the community has reacted in this way and organised its self well enough to do something like this. And it is extremely well organised and set up, it deserves to succeed.
RiTides wrote: Having Shieldwolf sign on for 9th Age makes sense - that's what would be needed going forward, army lists that match up with model lines still in production.
Yes, joining forces with the community (instead of doing what we think best) is probably a good idea. It also allows us to direct more funds and time to the actual creation of miniatures which we mean to see heavily augmented :-)
T9A is probably the finest example ever to what love for quality fantasy army gaming can create. There's so much potential here, a lot of people gave T9A a lot of passion and hard work. If the community gives it some time to evolve, there's a great future to it.
Neronoxx wrote: This is why i believe (partly) that Age of Sigmar occured. All of the art I have seen for this game looks like old Warhammer Fantasy art. Which isn't a bad thing, but when anyone can use your image, it's time for a new image.
Wait. There's art included in the PDF? Is there also some fluff or flavor text?
Ketara wrote: Now you just need to work on getting them to produce an armylist for your upcoming warrior ladies!
:-)
Actually tbh if you told this to my face I'd tell you to sit down with me, buy you a beer/coffee and explain to you that no, we don't have any leverage (neither do we want any for that matter!) on T9A Team and what we need to work on instead is making sure the 2nd KS we funded has the same successful delivery in terms of quality and time as our KS-1, so the backers might help us fund their completion projection which will include (besides the Warmaidens&Dragonbred) the Krumvaal faction, a bit altered/tweaked in order to fit their WotDG race.
In the meanwhile we are in full schedule for another "smaller" project due to strike around August probably specifically aimed for T9A. By "smaller project" I mean we will have a limited SG count compared to the Warmaiden/Krumvaal factions follow-up KS, but it still commences with a hard plastic kit.
Make it or break it.
Neronoxx wrote: This is why i believe (partly) that Age of Sigmar occured. All of the art I have seen for this game looks like old Warhammer Fantasy art. Which isn't a bad thing, but when anyone can use your image, it's time for a new image.
Wait. There's art included in the PDF? Is there also some fluff or flavor text?
Yes, there's fluff. They put together an entire fluff team.
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Actually, there isn't much fluff at all besides a few pieces of flavour text beside magical items or customizable options. But then you have to look at the Undying Dynasties book and all the art and fluff that has gone into that book, that is what the other books will look like...eventually. The art in the army compendiums are basically thumbnails and symbols and the fluff is minimal, but that is simply because the fluff hasn't been released yet.
I think the fluff had to take lower priority to what most WHFB players wanted to see - which was a well balanced set of rules following on from 8th edition, and army books for each of these.
There was also the case of building the forums and creating the central hub for the community, in that sense I think they've done a great job and can hopefully build on it for the future.
There was a tournament the weekend of Mother's Day and it used 9th Age rules, There were at least a dozen tables. I'd say a lot of people are still yearning for ranked battles and points.
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Mathieu Raymond wrote: There was a tournament the weekend of Mother's Day and it used 9th Age rules, There were at least a dozen tables. I'd say a lot of people are still yearning for ranked battles and points.
Actually yes, there's a number of tournaments that we are aware of who have a very respectable number of partecipants for T9A, for example there's a tournament in the USA (Columbus, Ohio on July 8-10th) with more than 100+ players registered, another in Holland (26th of June 2016 in Eindhoven) that has already more than 50+ registrations, another was held in Serbia a couple of weeks ago, that too had over 50+ players attending, etc etc.
T9A needs time and support, hopefully as it evolves more and more people will give it a chance :-)
Pacific wrote: I think the fluff had to take lower priority to what most WHFB players wanted to see - which was a well balanced set of rules following on from 8th edition, and army books for each of these.
There was also the case of building the forums and creating the central hub for the community, in that sense I think they've done a great job and can hopefully build on it for the future.
Or it was simply case of fluff taking time to write. We ARE talking only bunch of volunteers. It's "bit" too much to ask them to provide tons of quality fluff right off the bat. It's not like they are doing it for their work so they are sacrificing their own free time to do it for free...
I expect amount of fluff to steadily increase in the future as there's time to write it.
Sadly its a bit close to 8th for my taste. They still have steadfast which makes Cavalry almost useless, and leads to the strange "bus" formations, though at least they made it so you can take it away with a flank charge. I understand why they did it that way, but its unlikely I'll try it. Might try MSU cavalry in it at some point though. Overall though the rules look very clean and well thought out.
2016/05/22 18:47:34
Subject: Re:Fantasy Battles: The 9th Age has arrived
To answer some messages on games played and fluff;
Fantasy Battles: The 9th Age got a lot of tournaments running, mostly multiple in one weekend. We have created a tournament calendar which you can find here: http://www.the-ninth-age.com/calendar/
And about the fluff; a full and layered world is being created by a large team of writers, linguists and artists. Two full army books with stories, pictures and background have been released and are free to be downloaded here http://www.the-ninth-age.com/index.php?simple-page/. The new full Sylvan Elves book was just released actually, we posted it here (post 10) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/691045.page . In august the full rulebook (so the current version but with background and art) will be released, along with a faction compendium, that will contains key background for all the races.
Check out our website or contact us here media@the-ninth-age.com is you have specific questions.
I would be happy to answer them or direct you to the right staff member (there are about 200 staff members).
Thanks for reading, but even more: happy wargaming!
Yeah, seriously. Chaos Dorfs got a book, but no Dogs of War? WTF?
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ETA - Poking around the forums, and reading that "Dan" guy respond to DoW players asking for equal treatment really has the hairs on the back of my neck standing up. That is some seriously patronizing bullgak he's throwing at the DoW crowd. Pretty fething inappropriate, IMO.
Following his "logic", 9A should just fold all of the Elfs together then. Make the Wood Elfs and Dark Elfs use th High Elf rules. And fold the Skaven and Beastmen together, too.
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Still, as I previously said, 9th Age is from 8th ed. players for 8th ed. players. And as far my experience goes, 8th ed. players usually hold older editions (and old armies from those editions that didn't get new armybooks later on) with little regard, to say the least. Chaos Dwarfs got a book because they were playable during 8th ed. via the Tamurkhan book.
I guess from a certain point of view, DoW at its core is quite a "generic" army, but that's what it's supposed to be: pikemen formations, crossbowmen, some suporting cavalry, the paymaster's guard and a few colourful regiments of renown of your choice. It's a fantastic army with insane conversion potential.
I really really want to build a DoW army, as the variety and quality of both historical and "generic" fantasy kits around these days is astounding. It's got to the point where I'm torn between the Perrys' foot knights and MOM's halberdiers for my paymaster's guard, and the devil inside my head keeps whispering "why choosing at all, get both!". I'll have to play them with 5th+amends, 6th ed. or an entirely different ruleset though.
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No, they don't. But they were actively shutting down DoW work for no good reason. Pretty gakky, IMO.
Actually, DoW are Humans acting like Eldar, with semi-elites all around. The problem is that they were grossly overpriced. And Tamurkhan is a lame excuse when DoW had an actual printed, bound Army Book in 5E with a far wider range of models in 6E than CD ever had. That's my issue.
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JohnHwangDD wrote: No, they don't. But they were actively shutting down DoW work for no good reason. Pretty gakky, IMO.
Actually, DoW are Humans acting like Eldar, with semi-elites all around. The problem is that they were grossly overpriced. And Tamurkhan is a lame excuse when DoW had an actual printed, bound Army Book in 5E with a far wider range of models in 6E than CD ever had. That's my issue.
But which had playable army in 8th ed? And CD had army book in 5th ed too...
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@Pacific - that's the thread I was reading that got my blood boiling.
Technically, DoW would have been playable in 8E, as their 6E rules carried into 7th, which carried into 8th. Just completely uncompetitive on an even points basis. But technically playable under 8E rules.
JohnHwangDD wrote: @Pacific - that's the thread I was reading that got my blood boiling.
Why? The 9age team starts right off saying they will be done, just after the core books. Then there's some argument about proxying that has nothing to do with the status of the army book.
The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
Because "Dan" is telling us that DoW won't be supported until everything else gets completed, that we should play as a different army, etc. It's pretty gakky.
JohnHwangDD wrote: No, they don't. But they were actively shutting down DoW work for no good reason. Pretty gakky, IMO.
As someone who's VERY active on the 9th Age forums, and equally interested in seeing a DoW book... I must say they've NEVER shut down DoW work 'for no good reason'.
There's been a VERY GOOD reason for it: They needed to get a 'finalized' rules set done for the CURRENT armies (and yes, Chaos Dwarves were considered current due to their 8th edition rules, even if it was in a semi-official supplement instead of a full-bore army book) in time for ETC.
Not to mention the need to establish a balance baseline with the current armies, to have a standard to write any new/old books TO.
That required a STUPENDOUS amount of work, by nearly 100 people, working for free out of love for the game. Priorities HAD to be set, and the main priority was to get the current armies ready for ETC before getting into refurbishing older armies (DoW) or creating new ones (Sigmarites).
At no point have they EVER said 'No, we're NEVER going to do those armies'. It's always been 'We need to get THESE things done for ETC, and then we'll look into it.' This has been their consistent position since they were still primarily on The Warhammer Forum, before they even set up their own website.
So... frankly, your implication that they're shutting down DoW just to irritate YOU is pretty gakky, in my opinion.
To shed some light on the questions about a The 9th Age mercenary faction: The 9th Age definitely has plans to make a mercenary book. We can reveal the title of the faction book here on DakkaDakka as a premiere: it will be called Iron Crowns. And although The 9th Age is a community driven game, we do follow a specific procedure to create official The 9th Age supplements, to ensure the quality and balance of the game. We believe one of the main reasons people like to play The 9th Age is the quality of the rules, in combination with the internal balance of the faction books. The creation process involves many teams, such as a rules team, an army book committee, an army support team, a balance board and a data analysis team. And a lot of coffee and nightly discussions, of course.
One of the great benefits about being a community driven game is having many enthusiastic players. It is those players we'd like to thank for the results so far. Sometimes players create rules and books themselves, eager to add a supplement. And even though we are sometimes tempted to put an "official" stamp on those products, we are keen to follow the creation procedures to maintain the balance of the game. But each member of the community can also apply for a staff function and contribute that way.
We are not working on a mercenary book yet, because the main rule-set and that 16 faction books take top priority, as well as the ongoing work on the creation of The 9th Age world. But please know that a mercenary book is on our wish list, and very strange things should happen to prevent us from making it!
On behalf of The 9th Age staff,
Pelle
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Still, as I previously said, 9th Age is from 8th ed. players for 8th ed. players
Thats why I prefer KoW.
I would have liked a game that took the best from all editions and not just a redone 8th that will not bring those back that did not like it
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2016/05/25 09:54:02
Subject: Re:Fantasy Battles: The 9th Age has arrived
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