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Supposedly Nidz are controlled by the C'Tan. Kroot taste like chicken. The Emperor is the 5th Chaos god.

- Greenie

DE is hands-down the most evil.
The fact that they are the most evil is why I chose to play them. The Chaos mentality is: "We're going to kill you! RAAWR!" But the Dark Eldar mentality is: "Kill you? No no no, you've got exactly 17 more days before you won't be able to scream anymore. Then we will arrange for you, a face-to-face meeting with most of your vital organs before you tell us how they taste. You may or may not have noticed that device you've got hooked to your testicles. It's applying pressure that's very slowly increasing. And I can't wait to see how your skin fits me! Tell me what you think when I try it on in front of you. The drugs we gave you will keep you conscious and lucid through all this. And please, feel free to squirm and struggle. Watching you do that makes me smile." Etc.

The DE codex doesn't lie when it calls them the most evil. If you read the fluff on Eldar you learn that they experience all emotions far more intensely than any other race is even capable of imagining. Chaos isn't even psychologically capable of malice, bitterness, spite, anger, etc, to nearly the degree that Dark Eldar are. (Craftworld Eldar dedicate their lives to keeping these emotions in check.) And the DE show that in everything they do.

Chaos' influence probably spreads further and affects more of the galaxy, but as a people DE are unrivaled in their evil.

Evil is determined by your perspective (as others have said)

Chaos marines believe normal marines to be evil as they worship a false God, and vice versa. So my vote goes with Dark Eldar, they gain personal satisfaction from causing pain on others, whilst Chaos just want to appease their God.

I said a long time ago that there is no good and evil in the 40K universe, only various shades of gray, and that seems to still be the case. While the various Imperial forces are supposed to be the good guys, things like the Inquisition and exterminatus sorta take the shine off their halos. The Eldar and Tau are basically good, but the Eldar are too self-centered and the Tau are intergalactic busy bodies, trying to make everyone do it their way 'cuz they know best. Greater good my butt...

While the CSM's think they're doing the right thing they're not, and the Dark Eldar remind me of a rave gone horribly, horribly wrong.

The Orks and 'nids are just expansionists. They don't act out of good or evil but the drive to survive.

And that leaves the Necron and their C'tan masters who are, IMHO, evil to the core. The C'tan are like Dark Phoenix, willing to devour stars and planets just for the hell of it, and while the Necron are pretty much mindless they're still an extension of their masters' will.

There, my two cents.

I think that the Evil Sunz are the most evil faction in the game. Dey killz yoo an dey killz yoo fast!

Think about it: Everyone knows that evil is cool. If this wasn't true 40K wouldn't exist, so it's not up for debate. Thus: Evil = Cool and Cool = Evil

Dark Eldar try too hard to be evil. Trying too hard means you're not cool, and thus not evil.

Chaos is all about demons, right? Well demons are from hell, which is on fire, which is hot. Hot =/= Cool, thus Chaos =/= Evil.

Webster's Dictionary defines "cool" as:
adjective, -er, -est, adverb, noun, verb
–adjective
1. great; fine; excellent: a real cool comic.
2. characterized by great facility; highly skilled or clever: cool maneuvers on the parallel bars.
3. having a motorcycle with machineguns bolted on to it, wearing red, having trucks with flames painted on them, being from outer space: orks are the coolest army!

Thus: Evil Sunz = Cool = Evil

Also, GW put "Evil" in their name. If they weren't the most evil GW would be sued for lying about the evilness.

This should be a poll! I'd vote for Dark Eldar as the most evil. Chaos are evil but they are authentic at least. Dark Eldar are just mean.

Archonate wrote:DE is hands-down the most evil.
The fact that they are the most evil is why I chose to play them. The Chaos mentality is: "We're going to kill you! RAAWR!" But the Dark Eldar mentality is: "Kill you? No no no, you've got exactly 17 more days before you won't be able to scream anymore. Then we will arrange for you, a face-to-face meeting with most of your vital organs before you tell us how they taste. You may or may not have noticed that device you've got hooked to your testicles. It's applying pressure that's very slowly increasing. And I can't wait to see how your skin fits me! Tell me what you think when I try it on in front of you. The drugs we gave you will keep you conscious and lucid through all this. And please, feel free to squirm and struggle. Watching you do that makes me smile." Etc.

The DE codex doesn't lie when it calls them the most evil. If you read the fluff on Eldar you learn that they experience all emotions far more intensely than any other race is even capable of imagining. Chaos isn't even psychologically capable of malice, bitterness, spite, anger, etc, to nearly the degree that Dark Eldar are. (Craftworld Eldar dedicate their lives to keeping these emotions in check.) And the DE show that in everything they do.

Chaos' influence probably spreads further and affects more of the galaxy, but as a people DE are unrivaled in their evil.

Win, sir. Win.

Dark Eldar are definately the most evil, for the reasons everyone else has stated. They do it for the heck of it, and enjoy it!

The Dark Eldar are the most perverse and wrong form of evil and Chaos is the most brutal and destructive evil.

I'd say brutal and destructive is always more fun.

Hmm. You know, I don't see how the Dark Eldar can be more twisted and sadistic than Slaanesh. All of the evil and perversion that the Dark Eldar feel goes into Slaanesh, and any shreds of actual honor, or compassion that remain in the Dark Eldar (which would be hard to find, I know) would be missing.
Humans may not be able to feel hatred or cruelty as much as an eldar, but the daemons of chaos are made from these emotions; they must feel them in a far more pure state than even the eldar would be capable of.

yanno im with DJones on this one. Id have to say that dark eldar are the most evil. Simply because there are alot of chaos out there that really think they are doing whats right. weather it be right by them, or their commander or what have you. to them its a point of view. they are evil and traitors to the imperium, but again thats a point of view.
Dark Eldar on the other hand..... is totally PURE in their evilness. those basterds just LOVE ripping every ounce of life out of there victims before they die. hell im sure they even revive them to the point there isnt anything left to revive. now thats evil..... so evil infact its EBIL!!

Orkeosaurus wrote:Hmm. You know, I don't see how the Dark Eldar can be more twisted and sadistic than Slaanesh. All of the evil and perversion that the Dark Eldar feel goes into Slaanesh, and any shreds of actual honor, or compassion that remain in the Dark Eldar (which would be hard to find, I know) would be missing.
Humans may not be able to feel hatred or cruelty as much as an eldar, but the daemons of chaos are made from these emotions; they must feel them in a far more pure state than even the eldar would be capable of.

I think people are missing two big points when they think Chaos come anywhere near the DE.

1) Yea, slaanesh is kind of creepy with his/her torture fetishes and awkward social skills, but those particular traits wouldn't even exist if the Eldar's hedonism and indulgences hadn't created Slaanesh in the first place! Everything the Dark Eldar do is the basis for Slaanesh in the first place. If the eldar had created the happy bunny super nice chaos god, that god wouldn't be as super nice as the Eldar'd have to be to create it (bad metaphor, but whatever.) So since slaanesh's taste for all things awkward comes from the Eldar, the ones who have had years to improve upon their previous self absorbed and overall hedonistic torture have to be worse than they ever were at the fall.

2) The other one people are neglecting to remember is the Necrons themselves. Yea, C'tan are insane, and even in the codex prefer inflicting pure terror before feeding on someone (culexus assassin story, anyone?) However, the Necrontyr willingly put themselves in Necrodermis after getting jealous, pissed off, and all around cranky finding out that every other race in the galaxy wasn't having the horrible life spans they were having. Even after it's implied that the C'tan were responsible for their sun being the bane of their existence, instead of getting pissed off at the right race, what do they do? Decide to declare war on the ones who have what they want. Will it make their life better? No, they're just angry kids with really flashy magnifying glasses that shoot death lasers. They willingly chose to give up their physical forms to become death machines. After the war goes away, what do they do? Decide "yea, we might as well just make everyone as miserable as we are by forcing them into slavery or cattle."

So yea, Necrons and Dark Eldar. 'Nuff said.

CronsDisease wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:Hmm. You know, I don't see how the Dark Eldar can be more twisted and sadistic than Slaanesh. All of the evil and perversion that the Dark Eldar feel goes into Slaanesh, and any shreds of actual honor, or compassion that remain in the Dark Eldar (which would be hard to find, I know) would be missing.
Humans may not be able to feel hatred or cruelty as much as an eldar, but the daemons of chaos are made from these emotions; they must feel them in a far more pure state than even the eldar would be capable of.

I think people are missing two big points when they think Chaos come anywhere near the DE.

1) Yea, slaanesh is kind of creepy with his/her torture fetishes and awkward social skills, but those particular traits wouldn't even exist if the Eldar's hedonism and indulgences hadn't created Slaanesh in the first place! Everything the Dark Eldar do is the basis for Slaanesh in the first place. If the eldar had created the happy bunny super nice chaos god, that god wouldn't be as super nice as the Eldar'd have to be to create it (bad metaphor, but whatever.) So since slaanesh's taste for all things awkward comes from the Eldar, the ones who have had years to improve upon their previous self absorbed and overall hedonistic torture have to be worse than they ever were at the fall.

I'm not missing this at all, it just doesn't follow logically. There's no law of the universe that says something can't be created with a trait more extreme then that of it's creator. A religious fanatic could have a child, and raise that child to be even more fanatical than he is himself, making sure that the child has no doubt in his beliefs while the father still has some.

The Eldar had emotions besides hedonism; hedonism dominated their lives, but it wasn't all they ever felt. It is all Slaanesh ever feels. Slaanesh is the worst of the Eldar without any temperament or dilution. That's why it's impossible for the Eldar to be worse than Slaanesh, unless you were to rule that as a type of elemental rather than a regular being Slaanesh is ineligible.

That's not to mention that in addition to having every single drop of hedonism the Eldar had, it also has whatever spills in from humanity. If the Eldar had nothing but hedonism - no single other emotion conceivable - this would put Slaanesh ahead of them still.

2) The other one people are neglecting to remember is the Necrons themselves. Yea, C'tan are insane, and even in the codex prefer inflicting pure terror before feeding on someone (culexus assassin story, anyone?) However, the Necrontyr willingly put themselves in Necrodermis after getting jealous, pissed off, and all around cranky finding out that every other race in the galaxy wasn't having the horrible life spans they were having. Even after it's implied that the C'tan were responsible for their sun being the bane of their existence, instead of getting pissed off at the right race, what do they do? Decide to declare war on the ones who have what they want. Will it make their life better? No, they're just angry kids with really flashy magnifying glasses that shoot death lasers. They willingly chose to give up their physical forms to become death machines. After the war goes away, what do they do? Decide "yea, we might as well just make everyone as miserable as we are by forcing them into slavery or cattle."

I agree, people are letting the Necrotyr off too easily, even if the "Necrons" can't think much any more.

@Orkeosaurus
Yea, I agree, Slaanesh by himself is probably pure, unadulterated twisted, but that's like the argument that the c'tan = bad necrons. No, Necrons = bad necrons, c'tan just add crazy to the mix. Sure, Slaanesh is the big bad coke head that everyone wants it to be, but Evil had to give birth to evil. Throw that with the fact that the Dark Eldar literally live off the torture they induce to make Slaanesh just a slight bit less interested in them, and you've got yourself a pretty selfish, self absorbed, overall evil race. As a faction though, yea, I'm gonna have to put Slaanesh Cultists and noise marines (are they even canon anymore) up there on the list.

Yeah, Dark Eldar and Necrons are both evil independent of the ones who made them that way.

The thing is, if you look at Chaos as a whole, they're not quite as bad. Khorne kills everything, but so does everyone else. Nurgle makes you rot, but that's more of an elemental force than evil. Same thing with Tzeentch.

Ultimately, I think the "DE/Chaos: Who is more Evil" Question can be summed up pretty easily.

Chaos kill and do nasty things to please somebody else, namely their god. Nurgle even goes as far as to protect his chosen.

Dark Eldar kill and do nasty things to please themselves, and to rub their raging chubbies while watching you bleed.

One is working for another, and the other is working for themselves.

So i'd say Chaos by comparison is rather selfless. Sure, by doing their bidding, they are just trying to get their own little slice of Warp Power. but isn't that just their gods caring about you enough if you work hard for them? Not that much to ask.

Evil is subjective. No one ever thinks 'Im going to do this & it will be evil' they do what they think is good at the time. My take on it would be:

Imperium: Enforce brutal rule on a massive & unruly civilian population. If they didnt have a population who obeyed unflinchingly, theyd be screwed. Reactionary xenophobics because they need to be to survive in the 41th millenium

Elder: Play with fate of others & capriciously intervene in conflicts, because if they dont look into the future & change things, theyre going to become extinct even faster than they are already. its a survival thing.

Dark Eldar: Theyre basically hedonists. To them, the highest 'good' they can do is to sate their lust for torture. As well as this, they, like regular eldar see themselves as superior to others. to them, causing pain to other races isnt evil, because the races are inferior

Orks: Orks arent evil, theyre just out for a good time. For them a good time is a loud, messy battle.

'Nids: Nids are incapable of evil, because they are incapable of higher reasoning. To them the whole galaxy is just food. its not a question of right or wrong.

Necrons - Necrons cant really be considered evil, because theyre basically mindless. The c'tan, like the eldar, see themselves as vastly superior, to the point where all other races are crops to be harvested & consumed. If you told a c'tan it was evil, it would find that as ridiculous as if you told a human farmer he was evil for hurting corn by threshing it.

Tau - They believe what they are doing is for the 'greater good'. Tau would seek to unite with their enemies before destroying them.

Chaos - To a khorne berzerker, heaping skulls before the brass throne ov khorne is intrinsically the 'right' thing to do. To them, a life is less important than taking one more skull for khorne. Khorne himself is an embodiment of a human trait, & thus can't really be considered 'evil', his being is the sum total of all aggressive human emotion. Aggression isnt intrinsically evil, it can do positive things. I could make similar arguments for all the chaos gods.


Thats just my thoughts anyway

The "they're not evil because they see themselves as superior" argument is silly.

White supremacists see themselves as superior to black people.

Can I say I am the most evil and end this perspective argument?

I think the most evil thing about this is the fact that this thread is 2 years old.

Orkeosaurus wrote:The "they're not evil because they see themselves as superior" argument is silly.

White supremacists see themselves as superior to black people.

yeah youre right. My post was badly phrased. The point I was trying to articulate was that no one is intentionally evil, not that any race is void of being evil.

Yeah, I agree with you there. They think they're good or that good and evil are irrelevant.

Except in a few cases, but there tends to be some sort of tie-in with insanity.

Also She Who Thirsts is a DE god and that is Slaneesh so DE are chaos.

Dark Eldar are actually sh*t-scared of Slaanesh. They've been known to flee away from Slaaneshi cultists and agents. Mainly because Dark Eldar souls are like.. pie. To Slaanesh.

Anyway, Slaanesh IS worse tham DE, because she/he/it feeds off ALL the race's hedonism. just pointing it out.

However, I still think All the races are "evil", with the exception of the mindless ones. (Crons are not mindless-they created the first 3 chaos gods, willingly chose immortality over a proper life and kill things for no reason.)

ungulateman

It doesn't matter who is more evil, as they are all shamed by the beacon of the Emperor's Grace. The purity that is mankind's leader, the Immortal Emperor, shines with such radiance that all other entities are rendered into one consistent blotch of moral insignificance.

BrotherAtrox wrote:It doesn't matter who is more evil, as they are all shamed by the beacon of the Emperor's Grace. The purity that is mankind's leader, the Immortal Emperor, shines with such radiance that all other entities are rendered into one consistent blotch of moral insignificance.

His "beacon" shames all men.

Mandrakes are the most evil of all Dark Eldar kin.