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 NH Gunsmith wrote:
Green Squadron A-Wings with Autothrusters, the title, Adaptability, Crack Shot and Chardaan Refit.

How do you get Chihuahuas out of that?

Chihuahuas are small, annoying and zippy enough that putting the boot to them* is kind of tricky, and in a pack all those little nips add up, same with the A-Wings

(*note I'd never really kick a dog, not that Chihuahuas really count as dogs, more kind of rodents)

Alright just played around a bit with sabacc and I think he is absolutely nasty. I flew him with 2 x7 defenders (predator Brath and juke Maarek), while sabacc had the title, lwf, and swarm leader. It was my first couple of games with the striker and man can that thing move!! Its nearly impossible to block and pin down.

I flew Brath and Maarek straight towards my primary target, with sabbac slow rolling the side to flank. My opponents didn't really expect sabacc to swoop in as fast as he did. I closed the gap on a flank, catching my target in the side. Brath and Maarek stripped tokens and shields, and sabacc at range 1 stripping both evades from the defenders (Maarek used his for juke, and neither lost theirs from evading) and threw 7 red dice with a focus. 2 crits, 3 hits, 2 eyeballs for 7 damage dice in total. Absolutely brutal. I didn't even care that sabacc blew up 2 turns later. He did his job and did it well.

Played against a few lists with them in at my Regional yesterday, my observations are that 1) Pure Sabacc is really quite handy at putting on the hurt, if it's better than a Defender or Interceptor ace I couldn't say but its a strong ship 2) Alierons are not fun for a TLT list, a lot of times I lost shots as the Stalker player would just use the free boost to ensure they got into the R1 hole, even if they bumped or lost their shot 3) Lightweight Frame is on a par with Autothrusters and makes quite a few Imp ships a lot less squishy

My first game yesterday was against Vader/Duchess/Pure Sabacc/Academy. I really couldn't tell if they were good or not, because they died really, really fast. The Revenge-bot made Sabacc lose his pilot ability so that was sweet.

Duchess used her ailerons every turn before dying, so... would it have saved her not to rush into my range? Maybe.

I'm thinking that a massed joust will hurt. But we haven't seen them in the wild much around here. They are always sold out, so people buy them. They just don't play them.

Well, since I got them I have been running my list of five of them non stop. So far they have five wins and one loss as of today. I really doubted them at first but they have been a blast, and their maneuverability has been pretty fun. They aren't X7 Defender good, but not much really is. No complaints about them so far, other than the generics still feel a point too expensive.


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And, Lightweight Frame still seems to be a point too expensive as well. It can be good, but I still think it is too situational for what it costs. Autothrusters are a better buy since it always happens when their conditions are met, Lightweight Frame has no guarantee and the odds of your opponent rolling a hit are better than you rolling an evade.

Tangentially, I ran into a two TIE/sf list, both w/ lightweight frame. Backdraft w/ sensor jammer and LWF was a right pain

 NH Gunsmith wrote:

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And, Lightweight Frame still seems to be a point too expensive as well. It can be good, but I still think it is too situational for what it costs. Autothrusters are a better buy since it always happens when their conditions are met, Lightweight Frame has no guarantee and the odds of your opponent rolling a hit are better than you rolling an evade.

I think the points are most likely correct, I agree with your point about Frame vs Auto's but the Frame can go on a much wider range of ships, so I think that's what accounts for it being 2pts rather than 1pt

 Turnip Jedi wrote:

 NH Gunsmith wrote:

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And, Lightweight Frame still seems to be a point too expensive as well. It can be good, but I still think it is too situational for what it costs. Autothrusters are a better buy since it always happens when their conditions are met, Lightweight Frame has no guarantee and the odds of your opponent rolling a hit are better than you rolling an evade.

I think the points are most likely correct, I agree with your point about Frame vs Auto's but the Frame can go on a much wider range of ships, so I think that's what accounts for it being 2pts rather than 1pt

Yeah, I can see what your saying. And I go back and forth on it with Lightweight Frame, but only being able to be used on 2 agility TIE ships is actually just as limiting if not more limiting than just needing to have the boost action on your card. And, besides the SF, Phantom, Striker and Tomax Bren, what would you ever run it with? Even then, putting it on the Phantom still isn't a great choice when you have Whisper and Echo who really want Advanced Cloaking Device.

Fair point, just think it's handy to have the choice of one or the other depending on the ship, I'm sure someone will get round to the maths of extra dice over modding a blank if they haven't already

Hmm, maybe a not frequently Cloaking generic Phantom? That's 4 attack dice and a pretty decent dial...

The lightweight frame card is good on the right ship.

It's not great for: bombers and punishers with missiles, phantoms, tomax bren with fleet officer/systems officer/cool hand, as each of these already has a preferred modification.

It's not great for cheap generics like scimitar squadron, imperial trainees, etc, because adding 2 points is a sizeable chunk of points for an extra die that's as likely not to achieve anything as to save you a hit.

Its good for: named strikers, deathfire/deathrain, and especially TIE/sf - particularly backdraft.

I'm not sure which is better in a five-ship swarm. 5 alphas with autothrusters are a damn sight more elusive at range 3 (lightweight frames biggest weakness is effectively not getting a fourth die at range 3), but the strikers have an extra hull each, and certainly move around the board better since they dont need their action to "boost" and can in theory "boost"/barrel roll like much more expensive sabers or royal guard.

PS3 scarif defenders isnt a big deal (its rare you see generics and probably the most common are black squadron and tansarii veterans) but do at least out-ps tlt y-wings and k-wings - and beat cartel marauders and blue squadron novices if you see kswarms or baby blues locally.

Avenger squadron interceptor pilots are guff - a squad of five is definitely a bad idea. Five scarif defenders with lightweight frame and ailerons are definitely better, but whether theyre better enough..... not convinced, but happy to try them. I've seen five khiraxz do nasty enough things reliably in the hands of good players not to dismiss them.

Apostasus wrote:
Hmm, maybe a not frequently Cloaking generic Phantom?

No such thing. ACD Whisper is just too powerful for such a small increase in point cost.

And even if you desperately wanted to not use acd because youve only got 2 points spare or are getting out-pilot skilled, you've still also got to get past stygium, which is probably better for a generic than lightweight frame.

Had a chance to try duchess in a furball game night tonight with an engine upgrade (just for the hell of it) dear god that thing can move,