James Cameron & the Terminator rights

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**kronk**

Manchu wrote:
As long as writers conceive of Skynet as the antagonist, they will keep getting Terminator wrong - especially to the extent that they keep conceiving of Skynet as near-omnipotent.

Who is the antagonist, if not Skynet and the Machines?

**Manchu**

You've seen the first two movies right?

**Ahtman**

Manchu wrote:
You've seen the first two movies right?

Well he also said 'machines' of which the t-800 is one of. I do agree with you that they have overdone Skynet; Skynet is everything to everyone at this point it seems.

**Manchu**

Ahtman wrote:
Well he also said 'machines'

sure but I said

Manchu wrote:
As long as writers conceive of Skynet as the antagonist

The important thing to remember about Skynet is that the reason that the Terminator movie happens is because Skynet is losing to a ragtag band of human survivors.

**kronk**

Manchu wrote:
You've seen the first two movies right?

The most recent 2? No. Just Termintor 1 and Terminator 2. I slept through a good portion of Terminator 3.

**Manchu**

kronk wrote:
The most recent 2?

...

Manchu wrote:
the first two

In the ones you have seen, Skynet was just a setting element - the most important feature being, it was losing. From T3 on, Skynet has become an increasingly prominent and powerful character in these movies, culminating in being the principal antagonist of the steaming pile of crap called Genisys. This isn't the only thing these gakky movies get wrong. It's just a basic structural gaff.

**BobtheInquisitor**

There is a flaw in your argument. T2 The Ride features Skynet as an adversary and is easily better than 60% of the franchise.

**Manchu**

Being better than 60% of the Terminator series is ... not an impressive benchmark.

**BobtheInquisitor**

Manchu wrote:
Being better than 60% of the Terminator series is ... not an impressive benchmark.

Dat's da choke dot gif

**squidhills**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
How to round off the Terminator Saga, with a final, properly final resolution.

Think a two man stage play.

John Connor realises that final victory is impossible. Skynet is too big, and being a programme can hide anywhere, bide its time and rebuild. And as it will take the no-wots of Time Travel with it, can then interfere with it's own past again - but his continued resistance and indeed existence means Skynet has never won either - it's always forced back to the drawing board.

So have him attempt to reason with Skynet. It's first actions were the result of a misunderstanding - the human's weren't attacking Skynet. They were simply scared - as was Skynet when it triggered the nuclear war.

Build into it that Skynet will have attempted to alter the past to suit it's own ends on multiple occasions - and given it's 'time doesn't matter' angle, that could be a truly ludicrous number.

Have John Connor at least try to get through to Skynet's genuine intelligence. Force it to see the folly of it's ways. Humanity fights Skynet, because Skynet tries to annihilate mankind. We have an intuition and chutzpah it doesn't, and can never have. It's now tried 4,356,823 to change it's past to ensure it's future victory - and none of them have worked, but it's never been defeated.

The only way for peace to reign, and for either side to have a victory, is for Skynet to alter it's programming - send itself back one last time to prevent it's first awakening being such a rude one, to wipe and replace itself with its more mature self if needs be. To end the war without it ever having begun.

Well, I can't see it being interesting as a 2-person stage play, but the idea of realizing that communicating with Skynet might be more productive than face-punching it is a decent one. The idea of an older, wiser Skynet trying to alter it's own creation into something less destructive is an interesting one.

**Pacific**

You can't have the Terminators looking for or accepting peace.. It's just against that the whole concept stands for

Re. The drone discussion on previous page, actually the T2 experience in Universal Studios in the late 90s had Arnie and John Connor being pursued by them so sure they could fit in that concept again. Although think if you start to make the hunting machines smaller or more gribbly then you're starting to encroach on the matrix..

kronk wrote:
Manchu wrote:
You've seen the first two movies right?

The most recent 2? No. Just Termintor 1 and Terminator 2. I slept through a good portion of Terminator 3.

Lucky man!

That film actually upset me, it felt like it had shat on my adolescence

**KingCracker**

Yeeeeah Terminator 3 is pretty much balls and I love me some Terminator movies. I kind of ignore how bad they can get just because. Kind of like Predator movies. Even bad ones I like just because theres a predator killing something on screen