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My first thought is that it needs to feel like Batman.
1)There needs to be stealth. This gives way to great strategy, picking off the weak enemy's and busting into a room, taking out a group.
2)There needs to gadgets. Explosives. Drones. Tripwires.
3) Inner monologues. Nothing beats the sound of a gravelly voice, explaining why you do, what you do, before you do it.
My first thought is that it needs to feel like Batman.
1)There needs to be stealth. This gives way to great strategy, picking off the weak enemy's and busting into a room, taking out a group.
2)There needs to gadgets. Explosives. Drones. Tripwires.
3) Inner monologues. Nothing beats the sound of a gravelly voice, explaining why you do, what you do, before you do it.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
It's a good point, though, that different Batman depictions can have different themes and styles. I wouldn't expect a Batman game based on the series to play the same as one based on Miller's work or either to play like the movies, etc.
The only constant is that Batman (almost) always wins :-)
jmurph wrote: It's a good point, though, that different Batman depictions can have different themes and styles. I wouldn't expect a Batman game based on the series to play the same as one based on Miller's work or either to play like the movies, etc.
The only constant is that Batman (almost) always wins :-)
...Or does he? It's seems to me that he always wins the battle, but never the war.
A heavy toll is taken whenever Bats get into fighting criminals. Mentally and physically for Bruce. Gotham appears to get darker and darker. And the more his reputation grows, more crazy criminals crawl out of the woodwork.
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Batman the board game is from the same team that brought us Conan. Using the same system as Conan "THS" (Tactical Homeostatic System) but with tweaks to make it fit into the Batman Universe. Let me answer a few questions for you
What changes are there from Conan? A seventh characteristic appears: intelligence, which will represent the ability to solve problems, hack computer equipment ...
Heroes' can now choose a Defense and Recovery action.
When "The Villain" (the Overlord in Conan) activates a unit, there is no restriction on movement being the first action.
Overlord units now have additional features like Manipulation or Intelligence.
Two new dice have evolved with a specific breakdown of successes to better represent certain actions.
And many other evolution!
Will there be any crossovers? Other superheroes will not be in this game, due to the fact that "they" are SUPERHEROS. Superheros have super powers that would out balance the system of the game. Batman is a highly trained...man. Like his colleagues and some of his adversaries. So there will be no Justice League, sorry to say.
Conan, even with the same system, will not be tied into Batman. Even if Conan has crossed a lot of people in his career, it would be too far removed from the two universes. But nothing stops you from creating your own scenarios, if you own both games. It will, just not me one of the things that Monolith will attempt at this time. The Batman Universe is already a big one.
So, what will be in the box? Like Conan, there will be 2 double sided boards with 4 different environments, 8 scenarios and more than 100 figures. This is the base box, with no KS exclusives or add-ons.
Will it be available in stores after the Kickstarter has finished? A big no...Monolith have learnt from their Conan experience with distribution at reasonable prices, is not viable. But that is not stopping local stores from backing multiple copies of the game, and then selling them on.
And finally, the big questions.
When will the Kickstarter be coming? As soon as Mythic Battles starts shipping, expect the KS to go live
Anyone else excited?
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jmurph wrote: It's a good point, though, that different Batman depictions can have different themes and styles. I wouldn't expect a Batman game based on the series to play the same as one based on Miller's work or either to play like the movies, etc.
The only constant is that Batman (almost) always wins :-)
...Or does he? It's seems to me that he always wins the battle, but never the war.
A heavy toll is taken whenever Bats get into fighting criminals. Mentally and physically for Bruce. Gotham appears to get darker and darker. And the more his reputation grows, more crazy criminals crawl out of the woodwork.
That's because Batman doesn't want to win the war. He needs the war to justify his lust for violence and the breaking of bones on Gotham's poorest and most vulnerable....
Seriously. Bruce Wayne could see that Wayne Enterprises doesn't so much buy Arkham Asylum, but use his vast wealth and keen intellect to design a truly inescapable mental health prison, and provide effective care.
But why could he do that when he needs his arch-rivals out there on the street to justify why he beats even the lowest criminal orders black and blue?
He's an out-and-out psychopath. The ultimate symbol of Rich White Male Privilege.
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OK it's a board game not a mini game so I guess that means Knight still has their licence.
Going to the original question, I hit a problem. I'm a huge comic fan but never got into comic-based video games or mini games because in order for it to be a game both sides have to have potential to win, but for it to be 'Batman' the guy with his name on the cover has to win.
So a balance between Batman's plot invulnerability and the need for balance is important. Perhaps Batman is nigh-unstoppable but the good guys also include civilians, cops and some of the lesser bats (Batgirl, Huntress, Robin etc) who are all vulnerable so the balance comes from the fact Batman can only be in one place at a time and seeing what Batman will lose in the course of the battle.
Batman - Robin! No! Not again! And my girlfriend! And that cop I was just talking to! And my old school buddy I never mentioned before but who is my best friend! NO!
Alfred - Sigh, I'll stop by the orphanage sir and see if they have any circus acrobats.
Automatically Appended Next Post: PS Mad Doc I'm really enjoying your revisionist version of Batman, but I never liked the idea that Batman one of the richest men in the world. I always thought of Bruce as kind of a local rich guy, the richest man in Cleveland sort of thing, rather than a multibillionaire who could underwrite the police with his pocket change.
Mind-blowingly rich Bruce Wayne showed up more in recent years and I think it's more to excuse why he can hang out with the Justice League.
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It's something that was pointed out to me once, and I now can't unsee.
I mean, Batman is a product of Bruce Wayne's trauma - losing both parents in horrific circumstances at a young age.
But Bruce was incredibly fortunate to have a sagely Retainer and vast wealth to fall back on.
But what about the junkies, criminals and ne'er do wells he's constantly seeking out and breaking the limbs of? Does Bruce really for a second believe that people just wake up one day and figure 'bored of work, I know, I'll become a desperate junkie, and spend my days in alleys alternately shooting up and mugging rubes to pay for the next hit'?
Gotham is rotten to the core. Bruce has the wealth to at least try something. But no. Far more important that he spend his money on flippin' expensive gimpsuits and 'male compensation' cars and find the poorest and desperate to wail on.
Are people familiar with the theory that Bruce is actually in Arkham, and the various villains are a madman's hallucinatory incarnations of the staff? It's a pretty cool theory, and holds some water.
But I'd much prefer to find out that Bruce is so utterly insane that he's the one funding the crime - just so he can play the hero. Think a malignant narcissts with munchausen syndrome by proxy turned right the way up to 14.5 on a scale of 1-5. And to add to that - make Alfred just some old boy he kidnapped and has forced/brainwashed into servitude - clad not in a pristine penguin suit, but rags. All part of Bruce's madness.
Now that could be a superb read.
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Two books you might want to track down then, Legends of the Dark Night in the 90s had a story where Bruce Wayne was in Arkham and Batman was a hallucination.
What's funny is the book ended with Batman realizing it was all a trick and busting out. BUT there was an additional page in the TPB not in the comic with Bruce Wayne in a coma and the doctors saying 'that's it we lost him'.
The other is a Marshall Law book called (I think) the Public Eye which had Not-Batman as exactly what you say a rich dude funding crime to give himself a mission. With the added twist that he would recruit Not-Robins and harvest their organs to keep himself young.
Oh yeah, spoilers.
As for the 'real' comics they show a lot of the Wayne FOundation helping with clinics and schools and rehab programs and whatever, but it's a lot less visual than Batman punching thugs. Moreover most of his real villains either end up redeemed (I remember the Riddler, Two Face and Catwoman all becoming good guys at some point) or so evil they can never be helped.
Alas the format of monthly adventures going on FOREVER means that their redemptions never really last (though Catwoman has done OK).
I like a little from column A and a little for column B.
He does genuinely want to help people, he has funded Arkham to improve its safety. He funds rehab programmes. He does all the things you'd want Bruce Wayne to do.
But....
Gotham IS that corrupt, it IS that huge. It is an almost unwinnable battle to save it.
Almost.
Bruce Wayne is insane. He knows that and yes Bruce is the mask but that tiny shred of hope and his rules that keep him together. That 'almost'. It's what keeps him a hero rather than 'just' a nutjob in a bat costume.
It plays into why I like Ra's Al Ghul as a villain too.
Because ultimately... Ra's might very well be right... Perhaps Gotham is irredeemable.
AndrewGPaul wrote: The irony being that Dredd is allowed to do all the things Batman does in Gotham, but only because he's a Judge.
Yeah, but it's completely different because Dredd is subjected to all the checks and regulations that keep the judges in check. Like, for instance… *crickets* .
Unlike batman. Dread is a authorised vigilante.
He has other judges who will rein him in and a rogue judge is hunted down and killed.
Batman is a billonaire who wanted to go kick various bad guys and wear black.
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I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
AndrewGPaul wrote: The irony being that Dredd is allowed to do all the things Batman does in Gotham, but only because he's a Judge.
Yeah, but it's completely different because Dredd is subjected to all the checks and regulations that keep the judges in check. Like, for instance… *crickets* .
Unlike batman. Dread is a authorised vigilante.
He has other judges who will rein him in and a rogue judge is hunted down and killed.
Batman is a billonaire who wanted to go kick various bad guys and wear black.
Yup.
I'm a massive Dredd fan, and he most certainly has checks on his powers.
For instance, arriving back after his stint as Judge Marshall of Luna-1, he does nothing about various crimes until he's sworn back in as a MC-1 Judge.
Though Dredd absolutely is not a vigilante. He's a Lawman, and has fallen foul of the Special Judicial Service on numerous occasions, and walked away from the badge when he felt the law was wrong.
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AndrewGPaul wrote: The irony being that Dredd is allowed to do all the things Batman does in Gotham, but only because he's a Judge.
Yeah, but it's completely different because Dredd is subjected to all the checks and regulations that keep the judges in check. Like, for instance… *crickets* .
Unlike batman. Dread is a authorised vigilante.
He has other judges who will rein him in and a rogue judge is hunted down and killed.
Batman is a billonaire who wanted to go kick various bad guys and wear black.
Yup.
I'm a massive Dredd fan, and he most certainly has checks on his powers.
For instance, arriving back after his stint as Judge Marshall of Luna-1, he does nothing about various crimes until he's sworn back in as a MC-1 Judge.
Though Dredd absolutely is not a vigilante. He's a Lawman, and has fallen foul of the Special Judicial Service on numerous occasions, and walked away from the badge when he felt the law was wrong.
Not a vigilante, true. But judges are pretty close to it at times it seems from a less knolagable view. I know basics. Great deapth.
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Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
Nah. It only works on weak-willed, soft-minded folks like Trogawogs. Not someone like the world's greatest mercenary: Slade Wilson - Deathstroke, the Terminator!
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jhe90 wrote: Unlike batman. Dread is a authorised vigilante.
He has other judges who will rein him in and a rogue judge is hunted down and killed.
Batman is a billonaire who wanted to go kick various bad guys and wear black.
Yup.
I'm a massive Dredd fan, and he most certainly has checks on his powers.
For instance, arriving back after his stint as Judge Marshall of Luna-1, he does nothing about various crimes until he's sworn back in as a MC-1 Judge.
Though Dredd absolutely is not a vigilante. He's a Lawman, and has fallen foul of the Special Judicial Service on numerous occasions, and walked away from the badge when he felt the law was wrong.
Okay, he may not be completely unanswerable to anyone, but the checks and balance are still quite weak when you can be both police officer, judge, jury and executioner .
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But that's the whole point of the Judiciary in the Megacities.
I can highly recommend checking out Dredd Origins. As a story, it was a long time coming, 30 years into Dredd's run (which is doubly notable for having few retcons, and no resets. MC-1 of today is the exact same MC-1 of the very first issue. No mean feat!)
It not only reveals the origins and motivations behind the founding of the Judges, but also serves to tie up and close off the various confusions and contradictions that inevitably crept in.
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I can highly recommend checking out Dredd Origins. As a story, it was a long time coming, 30 years into Dredd's run (which is doubly notable for having few retcons, and no resets. MC-1 of today is the exact same MC-1 of the very first issue. No mean feat!)
It not only reveals the origins and motivations behind the founding of the Judges, but also serves to tie up and close off the various confusions and contradictions that inevitably crept in.
Given a multi billion population, a over supply of human resources and crime rate that's sky high they make sense in universe like imperial hive cities and such where life is cheap and there's always another criminal.
Instant justice, low paper trails, no waits or need for city sized jails.
Its a strong dystopia.
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Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.