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icn1982 wrote:
As for what Cael has been working on, it would have to be something that Guilliman foresaw needing. At the time they had the ability to build fleets of ships and legions of super heavy tanks. Maybe the device they used for long range communication and teleportation, effectively allowing a rapid, organised and co-ordinated war on a galactic scale in real time.

Well, the Mechanicus did end up with bits of the Pharos Device, so it's possible it's something based off that.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Do not want to start separate thread but I have another question:
Guilliman is looking at Cypher's sword and recognizes it feeling fear (or something like that). I always thought it was a Lion's sword Cypher is carrying. Why would then RG feel like that looking at Lion's sword?

The Lion is described as a character that inspired awe and dread in both friend and foe. Calas Typhon when he first met Horus debated whether or not he should bow to the warmaster, but when the Lion entered the chamber there was no debate Typhon immediately bowed (see prologue to Angels of Caliban). Guilliman also claims that he viewed many primarchs (Russ, Magnus, Dorn, Sanguinius, and Khan) as his equal, but he claims that only Horus and the Lion he considered superior to himself and the other primarchs (see Unremembered Empire). Most likely Guilliman's reaction is a subtle reference to the feeling many had in the presence of the Lion and to the fact that Cypher is carrying the Lion's sword. After all, GW has never specifically stated that the sword is the Lion's sword, they have only heavily implied it.

beast_gts wrote:

icn1982 wrote:
As for what Cael has been working on, it would have to be something that Guilliman foresaw needing. At the time they had the ability to build fleets of ships and legions of super heavy tanks. Maybe the device they used for long range communication and teleportation, effectively allowing a rapid, organised and co-ordinated war on a galactic scale in real time.

Well, the Mechanicus did end up with bits of the Pharos Device, so it's possible it's something based off that.

Maybe, but remember that the Emperor was building the humans a webway in the HH because he decided that warp travel wasn't going to cut it for humanity's transportation needs. If he had access to a long-range teleporter then, he probably would have used that instead.

 gnome_idea_what wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

icn1982 wrote:
As for what Cael has been working on, it would have to be something that Guilliman foresaw needing. At the time they had the ability to build fleets of ships and legions of super heavy tanks. Maybe the device they used for long range communication and teleportation, effectively allowing a rapid, organised and co-ordinated war on a galactic scale in real time.

Well, the Mechanicus did end up with bits of the Pharos Device, so it's possible it's something based off that.

Maybe, but remember that the Emperor was building the humans a webway in the HH because he decided that warp travel wasn't going to cut it for humanity's transportation needs. If he had access to a long-range teleporter then, he probably would have used that instead.

except that cawl wasn't tasked by the emperor, but by Gulliman during Gulliman's "Reign"

 gnome_idea_what wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

icn1982 wrote:
As for what Cael has been working on, it would have to be something that Guilliman foresaw needing. At the time they had the ability to build fleets of ships and legions of super heavy tanks. Maybe the device they used for long range communication and teleportation, effectively allowing a rapid, organised and co-ordinated war on a galactic scale in real time.

Well, the Mechanicus did end up with bits of the Pharos Device, so it's possible it's something based off that.

Maybe, but remember that the Emperor was building the humans a webway in the HH because he decided that warp travel wasn't going to cut it for humanity's transportation needs. If he had access to a long-range teleporter then, he probably would have used that instead.

That doesn't solve the issue of warp travel though. Part of the reason teleportation is such a dangerous means of delivery even when you are a terminator is that your are being flung through the warp during teleportation, so could be lost within it, or turn up on the battlefield 100 years later or earlier etc etc.

 gnome_idea_what wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

icn1982 wrote:
As for what Cael has been working on, it would have to be something that Guilliman foresaw needing. At the time they had the ability to build fleets of ships and legions of super heavy tanks. Maybe the device they used for long range communication and teleportation, effectively allowing a rapid, organised and co-ordinated war on a galactic scale in real time.

Well, the Mechanicus did end up with bits of the Pharos Device, so it's possible it's something based off that.

Maybe, but remember that the Emperor was building the humans a webway in the HH because he decided that warp travel wasn't going to cut it for humanity's transportation needs. If he had access to a long-range teleporter then, he probably would have used that instead.

Yeah, this.

If the god-Emperor of mankind was as brilliant as the dogma of the Imperial Faith would have us believe, then there's no way he would have had to embark on the human webway project if there's something simple enough for one of his Primarchs to figure out (who isn't even stated to be among the more technologically gifted of his sons).

First and foremost, the Emperor was a brilliant scientist. More brilliant than anyone else in the history of mankind. The likelihood of him overlooking something as simple as that for long-distance warp travel is very slim indeed.

Well, the Mechanicus did end up with bits of the Pharos Device, so it's possible it's something based off that

Ah really? That is very interesting. This is the sort of 'game changer' that could conceivably have been requested by Roboute before he was killed.
The limitations of the Astronomicon would have been evident in his period especially given the location of his demesne in the Eastern fringe where its light is at its weakest.

Perhaps Cawl has been working on a smaller weaker version of the Astronomicon which can be replicated and positioned on key Imperial planets reducing reliance on the Terran version and making Warp travel easier in places far from the Astronomicon's light.
Alternatively Perhaps Cawl has been working on a method of navigation which doesn't include the Navigator houses or the Astronomicon at all? That would certainly explain the need for secrecy given the power and influence of the Astra Telepathica and Navigator houses.

Kroem wrote:

Well, the Mechanicus did end up with bits of the Pharos Device, so it's possible it's something based off that

Ah really? That is very interesting. This is the sort of 'game changer' that could conceivably have been requested by Roboute before he was killed.
The limitations of the Astronomicon would have been evident in his period especially given the location of his demesne in the Eastern fringe where its light is at its weakest.

Perhaps Cawl has been working on a smaller weaker version of the Astronomicon which can be replicated and positioned on key Imperial planets reducing reliance on the Terran version and making Warp travel easier in places far from the Astronomicon's light.
Alternatively Perhaps Cawl has been working on a method of navigation which doesn't include the Navigator houses or the Astronomicon at all? That would certainly explain the need for secrecy given the power and influence of the Astra Telepathica and Navigator houses.

could be the Pharos device was theorized to be part of a greater network back in the day, where rather then having a SINGLE Beacon, they relied on a network of smaller, weaker, beacons. Gulliman, of all the primarchs (indeed all the IoM) strikes me as the type most willing to admit the Emperor may not be around forever and contingency plans are needed

Could be something simple, like Mk V "Martian" Terminator Armor- and the reason the armor is so rarely available today is Cawl kept commandeering all of certain key components because he was supposed to manufacture enough for all living Marines; and they just kept adding chapters on him.

That's so Mechanicus/IoM it hurts.

Who the hell is Sylandri Veilwalker?

She can walk into Commorragh and Vect talks to her like an equal. She can walk into Mars and basically order around Archmagos who are pals with primarchs. She knows everything that's going on, she's everywhere, seriously who the hell is she?

 Robin5t wrote:
Who the hell is Sylandri Veilwalker?

She can walk into Commorragh and Vect talks to her like an equal. She can walk into Mars and basically order around Archmagos who are pals with primarchs. She knows everything that's going on, she's everywhere, seriously who the hell is she?

Who indeed.

This is something that Eldrad should have been doing, not some new character they've just created for this story.

 DangerWisp wrote:

 Robin5t wrote:
Who the hell is Sylandri Veilwalker?

She can walk into Commorragh and Vect talks to her like an equal. She can walk into Mars and basically order around Archmagos who are pals with primarchs. She knows everything that's going on, she's everywhere, seriously who the hell is she?

Who indeed.

This is something that Eldrad should have been doing, not some new character they've just created for this story.

except then we'd not be asking who this character is, and speculating what their agenda is. which I suspect is what GW wants. I have a hunch that we've not seen the last of Veilwalker

 DangerWisp wrote:

 Robin5t wrote:
Who the hell is Sylandri Veilwalker?

She can walk into Commorragh and Vect talks to her like an equal. She can walk into Mars and basically order around Archmagos who are pals with primarchs. She knows everything that's going on, she's everywhere, seriously who the hell is she?

Who indeed.

This is something that Eldrad should have been doing, not some new character they've just created for this story.

They didn't just pluck them out of thin air. She's been doing this kind of thing for a while and a Harlequin makes more sense than Eldrad.

 DangerWisp wrote:

 Robin5t wrote:
Who the hell is Sylandri Veilwalker?

She can walk into Commorragh and Vect talks to her like an equal. She can walk into Mars and basically order around Archmagos who are pals with primarchs. She knows everything that's going on, she's everywhere, seriously who the hell is she?

Who indeed.

This is something that Eldrad should have been doing, not some new character they've just created for this story.

She's not new, she's been pulling strings here and there for a while now, such as being the one to convince Yriel to take up the Spear of Twilight to begin with. This is the first time we've seen her doing something so large-scale, though.

BrianDavion wrote:

Kroem wrote:

Well, the Mechanicus did end up with bits of the Pharos Device, so it's possible it's something based off that

Ah really? That is very interesting. This is the sort of 'game changer' that could conceivably have been requested by Roboute before he was killed.
The limitations of the Astronomicon would have been evident in his period especially given the location of his demesne in the Eastern fringe where its light is at its weakest.

Perhaps Cawl has been working on a smaller weaker version of the Astronomicon which can be replicated and positioned on key Imperial planets reducing reliance on the Terran version and making Warp travel easier in places far from the Astronomicon's light.
Alternatively Perhaps Cawl has been working on a method of navigation which doesn't include the Navigator houses or the Astronomicon at all? That would certainly explain the need for secrecy given the power and influence of the Astra Telepathica and Navigator houses.

could be the Pharos device was theorized to be part of a greater network back in the day, where rather then having a SINGLE Beacon, they relied on a network of smaller, weaker, beacons. Gulliman, of all the primarchs (indeed all the IoM) strikes me as the type most willing to admit the Emperor may not be around forever and contingency plans are needed

In the HH book The Damnation of Pythos the navigator of the Veritas Ferrum uses a Chaos artifact as a substitute for the Astronomican. Its range just wasn't as big.