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Cauthon wrote:
Why would you want a big unit of endrinriggers or skywardens though?

Each unit of endrinriggers gets to take a wound off a sky ship and each unit of wardens gets their own timed charges.

Only reason I could see to take a big unit is for one key roll on a grapple. Maybe in an assault list with Brokk..?

I'm not sure why anyone would take skywardens right now. Maybe after / if they do grott riggers or other flying factions. Even then though...


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Timed charges should go off on a 3+ and backfire on a 1 or something. Same with the mines.

Skywarden kinda just suck lol.

It depends in part how you will use them I think. As 3 man units do not have a lot of survivability you are going to have to be extreamly conscious of line of sight.

Endrinriggers just sticking to the back of your ship? Go with all the Ranged options (Drill Cannon Yes) and 3 man units. However if you expect them to get into combat then 6 counts will be better and really only need the grapnel launcher.

Also, any thoughts on Iron sky Command?

How does two 3 man unit have less survivability than one 6 man unit? Only takes one survivor to repair a hullpoint. I mean...

If you have a 6 man unit and 3 die then that's a battleshock you have to worry about. If you have two 3 man units the one squad doesn't care about the other getting stepped on.

I think the iron sky command isn't bad but probably has to be properly planned around. More so than most formations in other armies. You pretty much have to be planning on getting some boots on the ground and being aggressive with them though.

Every time I go to do that formation it's always two endrinmasters a khemist and an admiral on top of that so it's pretty expensive. Then an iron sky squad and then it's down to either endrinriggers or thunderers.

I was trying to do an iron sky command and brokk and then endrinriggers but the points don't work out for a 2k list (no admiral)

You know if you think about it Sky Wardens could be considered Duradin "Calvary" since they:

- Move fast
- Have "lances" (skypikes)
- Is basically a shock infantry Unit made to do serious damage on the charge.

And that sounds great! Except we don't really have troops that can hold a line for them to do that effectively...

Thats why Kharadron command traits are so awesome; the restriction to just Kharadron models is very... Restrictive.

Well for me at least I am using my Endrinriggers and Skywardens differently.

1. Endrinriggers are getting the shooty options and sticking close to my Skyvessels.

2. Skywardens get the melee options and go charge tarpits that need to be cut down to size.

If you take zilfin which does not seem to have a command trait can you still get a command trait or does taking zilfin port not allow you to take a command trait?

Any thoughts on whether the leader of a unit of Grundstok Thunderers can take anything other than the Aethershot Rifle?

 Sledgio wrote:
Any thoughts on whether the leader of a unit of Grundstok Thunderers can take anything other than the Aethershot Rifle?

Definitely, it says he CAN make 4 shots with an Aethershot rifle which is an option for all Thunderers.

It more that if you don't give the unit leader a rifle then he effectively doesn't exist at all.

I'm going to go with a Barak-Zon fleet as i like the colours the best out of all of them, would that mean i definitely have to use their battalion rules? Don't want to be stuck with one set of rules just because of a paint job.

Regardless would skywarderns be suitable along with the Iron Sky Squadron for a Barak-zon fleet. Bonus reroll to wound on the charge etc.

 Madmatt wrote:
I'm going to go with a Barak-Zon fleet as i like the colours the best out of all of them, would that mean i definitely have to use their battalion rules? Don't want to be stuck with one set of rules just because of a paint job.

Regardless would skywarderns be suitable along with the Iron Sky Squadron for a Barak-zon fleet. Bonus reroll to wound on the charge etc.

Paint them however you want man. I'm painting mine up as Barak-Urbaz because I like their scheme the best, but playing them as Barak-Zilfin. If your opponent has a problem with that, they are breaking Gw's rule #1 in the BRB, and breaking my rule #1, which is Look Cool. EIther way they suck don't play them.

 The Shrike wrote:

 Madmatt wrote:
I'm going to go with a Barak-Zon fleet as i like the colours the best out of all of them, would that mean i definitely have to use their battalion rules? Don't want to be stuck with one set of rules just because of a paint job.

Regardless would skywarderns be suitable along with the Iron Sky Squadron for a Barak-zon fleet. Bonus reroll to wound on the charge etc.

Paint them however you want man. I'm painting mine up as Barak-Urbaz because I like their scheme the best, but playing them as Barak-Zilfin. If your opponent has a problem with that, they are breaking Gw's rule #1 in the BRB, and breaking my rule #1, which is Look Cool. EIther way they suck don't play them.

Second this!

I'm painting mine in my own kind of scheme, but I will be playing them as Mhornar or Nar or what ever I want to that specific game. Use the colour scheme you like and choose abilities etc. as you like. If anyone has a problem with that, they deserve to be castrated with a spoon...

One argument could be that YOUR admiral is interpreting the Code a bit differently than the Port that he hails from, That or he hails from a different city port and is using his own personal colors.

There's nothing in the code that forbids this right? *lens flicker*

If you're playing as Mournar it's fine, because it's stated they have sometimes used aether tech to alter the color of their skyvessels.

 IronDerp wrote:
One argument could be that YOUR admiral is interpreting the Code a bit differently than the Port that he hails from, That or he hails from a different city port and is using his own personal colors.

There's nothing in the code that forbids this right? *lens flicker*

I like that actually, fits in quite well with the lore

 Madmatt wrote:

 IronDerp wrote:
One argument could be that YOUR admiral is interpreting the Code a bit differently than the Port that he hails from, That or he hails from a different city port and is using his own personal colors.

There's nothing in the code that forbids this right? *lens flicker*

I like that actually, fits in quite well with the lore

It also says something about your army, Perhaps your fleet is well known and the Admiralty Board has given you the privilege of sailing under your own personal colors. Minor sky-ports and small outposts have fleets that would undoubtedly originate from one of the major sky ports, So them adapting the same skills as the major sky-port could be a thing.

The footnote in the Code pretty much sells it, "These are just guidelines"