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2017/04/27 21:19:08
Subject: Re:Terrain-Crate Kickstarter from Mantic live
I'm in for one crate for now. I'm really hoping that when this hits the mid-campaign lull, they bust out a modern set. A diner themed one with booths, countertop, and kitchen. A grocery store themed one with checkout stand, shelves, shopping cats. Maybe a park themed set with playground stuff. Could be really cool.
Barzam wrote: I'm in for one crate for now. I'm really hoping that when this hits the mid-campaign lull, they bust out a modern set. A diner themed one with booths, countertop, and kitchen. A grocery store themed one with checkout stand, shelves, shopping cats. Maybe a park themed set with playground stuff. Could be really cool.
I'd be all over some street furniture - lamp posts, mail boxes, cars, dumpsters
And sci fi space ship interiors - crates (never enough crates), computers, machines, debries
Don't they have a a set from Mars Attacks?
2017/04/28 10:43:34
Subject: Re:Terrain-Crate Kickstarter from Mantic live
Perfect Organism wrote: What kind of plastic are these made out of? Presumably not HIPS from the look of them.
legione about 3 hours ago
@C in my understanding the plastic is the same of the one used for the existing dungeon saga forniture. (Which looks like a very hard rubber.) It's not the same plastic used for plastic sprues nor resin.
I'll post if I can find an official word. Or write to the creator on the KS page and ask!
EDIT: Thanks, Dave and Doug!
EDIT: SG's unlocked!
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The plastic is not the same as Dungeon Saga which is a bit rubbery to the touch it's apparently the same stuff as TWD scenery. This plastic is firmer although it will flex a bit. I have both no issue with either but TWD stuff is better it holds detail well and isn't too far off HIPs in firmness.
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2017/04/28 12:57:35
Subject: Terrain-Crate Kickstarter from Mantic live
Yeah, TWD scenery is pretty much the same quality as, say, Renedra plastics.
"...and special thanks to Judgedoug!" - Alessio Cavatore "Now you've gone too far Doug! ... Too far... " - Rick Priestley "I've decided that I'd rather not have you as a member of TMP." - Editor, The Miniatures Page "I'd rather put my testicles through a mangle than spend any time gaming with you." - Richard, TooFatLardies "We need a Doug Craig in every store." - Warlord Games "Thank you for being here, Judge Doug!" - Adam Troke
2017/04/28 15:16:31
Subject: Re:Terrain-Crate Kickstarter from Mantic live
I don't have any Dungeon Saga stuff left, but I have plenty of the MA pieces. They seem pretty hard and durable.
More detailed and less shiny.
"...and special thanks to Judgedoug!" - Alessio Cavatore "Now you've gone too far Doug! ... Too far... " - Rick Priestley "I've decided that I'd rather not have you as a member of TMP." - Editor, The Miniatures Page "I'd rather put my testicles through a mangle than spend any time gaming with you." - Richard, TooFatLardies "We need a Doug Craig in every store." - Warlord Games "Thank you for being here, Judge Doug!" - Adam Troke
2017/04/28 15:58:19
Subject: Terrain-Crate Kickstarter from Mantic live
At one point, my good lady and I were looking at getting six Crates....
This is what happens when two enablers marry.
We have now talked ourselves back down to a more reasonable three, plus an extra Library or two.... (She wants to make a permanent build of a library. I do not know what she has planned, but I look forward to finding out.)
The Auld Grump - the Bones III Kickstarter ended up costing us $900, when you put both of our pledges together... now we have a little one, so we are trying to be more cautious....
Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
2017/04/28 21:23:13
Subject: Terrain-Crate Kickstarter from Mantic live
Just think of all the little fireplaces and barrels your little one can have to play with though...
I think I'm gonna have to switch to the 3 set pledge and get 1 of each, there's enough in everything that I'll want everything even though I know I won't use everything.
2017/04/28 21:37:45
Subject: Terrain-Crate Kickstarter from Mantic live
They lost me at "kickstarter" :( Rehash of primarily existing terrain should not take a year (realistically it will probably be July/August per past experience) to manufacture and get these out.....
Starting "anew" - 5000pts - oldskool models Slowly but surely - almost 2500pts?
Small but taking their vitamins - 2500ish?
daemons roar - 3000ish ?
Oh fliers - how thou hath ruined the game
2017/04/28 21:56:06
Subject: Terrain-Crate Kickstarter from Mantic live
Ehldar wrote: They lost me at "kickstarter" :( Rehash of primarily existing terrain should not take a year (realistically it will probably be July/August per past experience) to manufacture and get these out.....
Primarily existing terrain? Do post links, will buy now!
"...and special thanks to Judgedoug!" - Alessio Cavatore "Now you've gone too far Doug! ... Too far... " - Rick Priestley "I've decided that I'd rather not have you as a member of TMP." - Editor, The Miniatures Page "I'd rather put my testicles through a mangle than spend any time gaming with you." - Richard, TooFatLardies "We need a Doug Craig in every store." - Warlord Games "Thank you for being here, Judge Doug!" - Adam Troke
2017/04/28 23:38:42
Subject: Terrain-Crate Kickstarter from Mantic live
Ehldar wrote: They lost me at "kickstarter" :( Rehash of primarily existing terrain should not take a year (realistically it will probably be July/August per past experience) to manufacture and get these out.....
Are you referring to the Mantic Dungeon Saga Furniture and Doors sets? They're good for anyone who doesn't already have individual chests, barrels, and doors. The Mantic Terrain Crate does *not* overlap with these sets and these are new sculpts.
DM: You enter a room to find the sword in the stone! But, wait. You see *two* swords stuck in their stones!
Player: But the legend said there was only one sword in the stone!
DM: MuahHaHaHaHaaaaaaa!
DM: You enter a room to find the sword in the stone! But, wait. You see *two* swords stuck in their stones!
Player 1: Wait. Does that mean two swords stuck in a stone?
Player 2: No, he means two swords, each stuck in each other's stone.
Player 3: Are you sure about that? And why would a sword own a stone?
DM: *dumps entire Dungeon Debris set on player miniatures*
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Not to rant, but this kind of thing bothers me and smacks of no intelligible thought. Add a unique item to the bundle like a sword in stone? Sure. Add two? Uh, why? If I want two, I can buy two. It's like doing something cool like a blacksmith's anvil. Then adding a second one for no reason. Keep those kinds of pieces at 1x and add another of the more common items, like a straight mine cart rail or another beer keg. Maybe it's just me, but I don't like the "here's a bunch of stuff" approach. I'd rather see some thought put into the component count. On the other hand, the "bunch of stuff" better fits Mantic's company philosophy, often mentioned here: "Mantic...almost."
2017/04/29 13:16:37
Subject: Re:Terrain-Crate Kickstarter from Mantic live
Not to rant, but this kind of thing bothers me and smacks of no intelligible thought. Add a unique item to the bundle like a sword in stone? Sure. Add two? Uh, why? If I want two, I can buy two. It's like doing something cool like a blacksmith's anvil. Then adding a second one for no reason. Keep those kinds of pieces at 1x and add another of the more common items, like a straight mine cart rail or another beer keg. Maybe it's just me, but I don't like the "here's a bunch of stuff" approach. I'd rather see some thought put into the component count. On the other hand, the "bunch of stuff" better fits Mantic's company philosophy, often mentioned here: "Mantic...almost."
Have a look at the treasure room set it's 2 of everything 1 tool cast twice. They are adding a single sword in stone to that tool but you are getting 2 copies of the tool so 2 swords in stone if they give 1 they have 1 spare anyway so it costs nothing to add a second. This is not a case of Mantic almost sure there are plenty of examples but not here.
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2017/04/29 20:21:17
Subject: Re:Terrain-Crate Kickstarter from Mantic live
The DS dungeon furniture was a mixed bag for me. The doors are styrene (hard plastic) and are brilliant.
The rest of the furniture was softer plastic and the detail was soft. It took ages to stop feeling sticky to the touch, even after repeated washing and degreasing. Worse, the stickiness came back months after painting and varnishing.
I revarnished it and left it out in the air - seems to be fine for the moment. But a KS full of the stuff? An easy pass for me.
2017/04/29 21:49:14
Subject: Re:Terrain-Crate Kickstarter from Mantic live
Momotaro wrote: The DS dungeon furniture was a mixed bag for me. The doors are styrene (hard plastic) and are brilliant.
The rest of the furniture was softer plastic and the detail was soft. It took ages to stop feeling sticky to the touch, even after repeated washing and degreasing. Worse, the stickiness came back months after painting and varnishing.
I revarnished it and left it out in the air - seems to be fine for the moment. But a KS full of the stuff? An easy pass for me.
It's a worry I've had.
I bought the DS furniture for Frostgrave games. I wash and scrub everything I paint with a toothbrush and soap and rinse well. Plastic, metal, resin... everything.
I undercoated the chests, painted them, varnished them, then matt varnished them as usual. They usually sit drying for a few more days on the paint table till I find a place to store them.
A month later, I took them out of the sponge case they were living in for a game, to find them all shiny and sticky.
I've asked a few times about the material for these crates and get replies that it's the same as the walking dead terrain. I have that as well, it's grey instead of brown, but there's still some of the rubbery flex in the barricades that the DS furniture had. The cars seem closer to hard plastic but I'm worried about the barricades and what these new crates will be made of.
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I tried dabbling with 40k9/10 again and tried AoS3 - Nice models, naff games, but I'm enjoying HH2 and loving Battletech Classic and Alpha Strike.
2017/04/29 23:01:46
Subject: Terrain-Crate Kickstarter from Mantic live
I do a bunch of scale modelling and there you often find that the properties of the plastic is effected by the colour even though it is basically the same thing.
The plastic in Tamiya kit of a German Africa Korps tank (brown) will be harder and more brittle than the plastic of an American Sheman (Green), the HIPS they are made of are identical and it's only the colour that's different
so the plastic here could well be the same but behaving differently as they've put a different colourant in
2017/04/29 23:47:36
Subject: Terrain-Crate Kickstarter from Mantic live
Ehldar wrote: They lost me at "kickstarter" :( Rehash of primarily existing terrain should not take a year (realistically it will probably be July/August per past experience) to manufacture and get these out.....
Primarily existing terrain? Do post links, will buy now!
Pretty sure that he wrote without bothering to look at them at all. So he was just making it up out of thin air..
Not the same models - at all.
The Auld Grump
Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
2017/04/30 01:34:46
Subject: Re:Terrain-Crate Kickstarter from Mantic live
IIRC, Mantic will be using plastic similar to The Walking Dead, instead of Dungeon Saga. fwiw, Furniture reviews I've read were mixed, but paint jobs looked good.
DaveC wrote: Have a look at the treasure room set it's 2 of everything 1 tool cast twice. They are adding a single sword in stone to that tool but you are getting 2 copies of the tool so 2 swords in stone if they give 1 they have 1 spare anyway so it costs nothing to add a second. This is not a case of Mantic almost sure there are plenty of examples but not here.
Because I have a spare envelope and napkin...
We have twelve sets, but two of them, the Dungeon Debris, and Library, share pieces with other sets. So that's ten tools so far. Once they fill up a set, that means they've "filled up" the tool. (I'm sure Mantic knows these first tools will have their SG pieces met and the tools have already been planned out.) So, if they complete the sets at, frex, 300K, we're looking at us being charged 30K per tool. Anyone know how much a tool costs? I've heard a mold for a miniature costs 5K to 15K, but that doesn't necessarily means a tool costs that amount.
The Auld Grump - the Bones III Kickstarter ended up costing us $900, when you put both of our pledges together... now we have a little one, so we are trying to be more cautious....
It ain't the money, at least it wasn't for me...
"I am baby, destroyer of free time, look upon my vestige and know fear!"
Not to rant, but this kind of thing bothers me and smacks of no intelligible thought. Add a unique item to the bundle like a sword in stone? Sure. Add two? Uh, why? If I want two, I can buy two. It's like doing something cool like a blacksmith's anvil. Then adding a second one for no reason. Keep those kinds of pieces at 1x and add another of the more common items, like a straight mine cart rail or another beer keg. Maybe it's just me, but I don't like the "here's a bunch of stuff" approach. I'd rather see some thought put into the component count. On the other hand, the "bunch of stuff" better fits Mantic's company philosophy, often mentioned here: "Mantic...almost."
Probably they're adding it to the sprue and throwing in 2 sprues.
Which would mean the stretch goals are really just filling in empty space on the sprue and not really added expenses (save for sculpting).
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2017/04/30 15:40:01
Subject: Terrain-Crate Kickstarter from Mantic live
The Auld Grump - the Bones III Kickstarter ended up costing us $900, when you put both of our pledges together... now we have a little one, so we are trying to be more cautious....
It ain't the money, at least it wasn't for me...
Spoiler:
"I am baby, destroyer of free time, look upon my vestige and know fear!"
Spoilered as off topic -
Spoiler:
1,000 times that!
Just a few weeks ago she started crawling, now she is trying to stand, and mostly failing. (We were there when she switched from a backwards skootch on her butt to a crawl - as some switch in her brain went *Click!* as she realized that there was a better way.)
And I am pretty sure that Khatt (one of our cats) is teaching her how to stalk - she crawls towards him, he waits until she is almost there, then moves to a new location - but the new location is always in her sight, so she continues crawling after him. If he were really trying to get away, he would get out of the room, or go someplace she could not reach.
But she already has several full sets of (fuzzy) polyhedral dice.... (Megan first started playing fantasy games when she was about six - her mum had an old set of HeroQuest. For Mother's Day a few years ago, we gave her mum a cleaned and painted copy of the game - Brigid is going to be a third generation fantasy gamer, if we have any say in the matter. )
With utter predictability, as I start getting ready for restarting our Curse of the Crimson Throne Pathfinder game, I keep looking at the sets in this Kickstarter, and picturing how they could be used.... They may call those piles of junk ;dungeon debris' but I see barricades.... Quite suitable for the early days in the campaign.... (Riots and barricades, they go together like piles of tires and open flames....)
The Auld Grump
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Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
" - Rick Priestley "I've decided that I'd rather not have you as a member of TMP." - Editor, The Miniatures Page "I'd rather put my testicles through a mangle than spend any time gaming with you." - Richard, TooFatLardies "We need a Doug Craig in every store." - Warlord Games "Thank you for being here, Judge Doug!" - Adam Troke 
Starting "anew" - 5000pts - oldskool models 
Slowly but surely - almost 2500pts?
Small but taking their vitamins - 2500ish?
- 3000ish 
