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What ever happen to the good ole days of placing models on their side when they die, and just keep them nearby units the end of the turn.

 Coyote81 wrote:
What ever happen to the good ole days of placing models on their side when they die, and just keep them nearby units the end of the turn.

Works great for single would models...

 Deadshot wrote:
Pen and paper with the gate counter method to keep track.

For those that don't know, you put a single | counting as one, up to 4 in a row

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the 4th is a horizontal or diagonal line through the 4, then start over. Very easy to keep track by simple counting a block as 5 then counting individuals. No rubbing out, nothing more than a pen/pencil and a surface to write on.

Wait...

i mean, this is a good method... but are there really people out there who don't know what hash marks are?

 amazingturtles wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
Pen and paper with the gate counter method to keep track.

For those that don't know, you put a single | counting as one, up to 4 in a row

||||

the 4th is a horizontal or diagonal line through the 4, then start over. Very easy to keep track by simple counting a block as 5 then counting individuals. No rubbing out, nothing more than a pen/pencil and a surface to write on.

Wait...

i mean, this is a good method... but are there really people out there who don't know what hash marks are?

Shocking, I know, but heresy runs deep within the hearts and souls of some. Such people must be educated or eradicated, and UK courts no longer accept heresy as a valid reason.

Actually, I think I have a plan for mine.

I bought 100 4mm N35 magnets for my models. On the multi-wound models if I glue a washer under the base, I can drop the number of magnets onto the base that represent the number of wounds of the model minus one. When all wounds are gone, remove the model.

Total cost of this project... less then $5.00

 kronk wrote:
I have a feth ton of these.

Bingo. I have a ton in the off chance I will have anything on the board with more than 6 wounds.

It's too bad that Gale Force 9 hates money these days. They had the best wound tokens I've ever seen.

http://www.gf9.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=2554

I will continue to use the dice I have always used to track wounds/HPs. But, I have dice that match the scheme of both my armies, so it has never been an issue for me visually.

Also, I always leave the number of wounds left so that it is easier for my opponent to know. I simply place the dice once it takes it's first wound.

If 40k is like AOS you'll only have one model in a unit wounded at a time. It's not very hard to track this.

I think that, given the number of tanks I run, I've going to draw up a roster file I can print out, with each unit labelled and check boxes for each wound I take [Like the infantry platoon rosters from Tobruq or a car tracker sheet from Car Wars].

Dice are okay for now, but if every tank has 2-3 D6 of wounds on them, it's going to get real annoying real fast. The shadowsword's 9 HP are already a hassle to handle, sometimes, and it's easier to just remember how many it has.



I might see about wound counters I can just place in a pile near the model, too.

 Anpu42 wrote:

 Coyote81 wrote:
What ever happen to the good ole days of placing models on their side when they die, and just keep them nearby units the end of the turn.

Works great for single would models...

Well, we'll probably need this for morale purposes, so I suppose the thread's killing two birds with one stone. I'll probably do this too when large blobs start taking losses.

I have a bunch of the small bases (what are they, 28mm?) that don't serve a purpose since the default size is 32mm.

These i will be turning into Command Point counters.

But for wounds - i'll just continue using a set of red d6 dice for troops.

For vehicles, i'll probably use a d20.


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Edmond Dantes wrote:
If 40k is like AOS you'll only have one model in a unit wounded at a time. It's not very hard to track this.

Well assuming all the wounds are allocated in 1 phase, yeah.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

Dice are okay for now, but if every tank has 2-3 D6 of wounds on them, it's going to get real annoying real fast. The shadowsword's 9 HP are already a hassle to handle, sometimes, and it's easier to just remember how many it has.

I highly doubt many vehicles will have more than 12 wounds, thus only requiring 2 dice max for most, although probably only 1 at a time.
Previously there were only 2 factors that determined a vehicles durability: AV and HP. Now we have 3 factors: T, W & Sv.

So if a AV12 3HP Dread translates to a T7, 8W 3+sv model, a Bane Blade could easily be T8/9, 12W, 3+ or even 2+sv. It doesn't need to have 13+ wounds. And even if it does, by the time you need to put dice on it, it may have taken enough wounds to be under 12.
And if you have more than 1-2 models that have so many wounds that you need to put tons of dice out, you might want to evaluate whether you are TFG. (not saying that you are at all)

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I use simple counters, every woung / HP you lose add one. Nice and simple.

Also I think this exact problem is a big part of why they didn't give marines multiple wounds.

Beans?

:-D

Unbreakable crystal/ plastic. I got like a thousand(no joke) vase fillers from my grand mother.

 Galef wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

Dice are okay for now, but if every tank has 2-3 D6 of wounds on them, it's going to get real annoying real fast. The shadowsword's 9 HP are already a hassle to handle, sometimes, and it's easier to just remember how many it has.

I highly doubt many vehicles will have more than 12 wounds, thus only requiring 2 dice max for most, although probably only 1 at a time.
Previously there were only 2 factors that determined a vehicles durability: AV and HP. Now we have 3 factors: T, W & Sv.

So if a AV12 3HP Dread translates to a T7, 8W 3+sv model, a Bane Blade could easily be T8/9, 12W, 3+ or even 2+sv. It doesn't need to have 13+ wounds. And even if it does, by the time you need to put dice on it, it may have taken enough wounds to be under 12.
And if you have more than 1-2 models that have so many wounds that you need to put tons of dice out, you might want to evaluate whether you are TFG. (not saying that you are at all)

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A dreadnought is a crappy, fragile, explode-if-you-look-at-me-wrong tank. A Baneblade is a tank that can take everything you throw at it and not give a crap. That statline you suggested is what I expect for a AV14 3HP Leman Russ or 4HP Land Raider.

T6 is roughly equivalent to AV10 today. A AV 12, 3HP dreadnought becomes T7 with a 3+ save, and 8 wounds. I'll be surprised [and annoyed] if my AV14 9HP Baneblade isn't at least T8 with a 2+ and more than 12 wounds.

It takes, currently, 9 Lascannons to wipe out a dreadnought in 1 round [5 hits, 3 pens/glances]. It takes 54 to do the same for a Baneblade [27 hits, 9 pens/glances], of course, not including the effect of the penetrating hits table and getting an explosion, which affects the dreadnought far more than the Baneblade, since 50% of the wounds on the Baneblade are pens while 75% of the wounds on the dreadnought are.



And right now, I field the Imperial Guard Armoured Battlegroup and mechanized Sisters of Battle. And with charging out of transports being allowed, I plan to have even more transports for the latter, and get some more transports for the rank and file of my Space Wolves. If the dreadnought gets 8 wounds, then there are going to be a lot of multiwound models on the board.

After looking at the 4mm x 1mm magnets I have. I decided to order some 8mm x 2mm magnets. As they should be large enough to handle easily on a model.

The big dice everyone is considering are easy to knock over.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I just use a sheet of paper if I need to and write it down. It isn't that hard.

I might dig around to find out Unit Roster sheets, and use photocopies of that to keep track. Lists are written on paper, so shouldn't be too much of a stretch. If each unit is clearly marked out, or given a designated number, it should be fine. That or use the tokens from Gangs of Cormmorragh for Dark Eldar!

 amazingturtles wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
Pen and paper with the gate counter method to keep track.

For those that don't know, you put a single | counting as one, up to 4 in a row

||||

the 4th is a horizontal or diagonal line through the 4, then start over. Very easy to keep track by simple counting a block as 5 then counting individuals. No rubbing out, nothing more than a pen/pencil and a surface to write on.

Wait...

i mean, this is a good method... but are there really people out there who don't know what hash marks are?

They're called tally marks... because they're used to keep a tally

I count affirmatively the number of wounds. So if i have taken two wounds, there is a 2 beside my guy. The other way leads to shenanigans potentially. I wont get into all the psychology of it but I just find that adding is a clearer way than subtraction.

 Jancoran wrote:
I count affirmatively the number of wounds. So if i have taken two wounds, there is a 2 beside my guy. The other way leads to shenanigans potentially. I wont get into all the psychology of it but I just find that adding is a clearer way than subtraction.

I must admit I don't really understand why counting down could lead to problems.
In my experience, a decent majority of opponents have not memorized how many wounds each of my models has to start with. Counting upwards does not give them any indication of how many are remaining.
If I count downwards, they can see at a glance how many wounds remain on my models, which is generally more important to know than how many they have taken.