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So basically rubric marines for loyalist

 ChaosDad wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:

Power Armor runs on Windows. For example, Errant uses Windows 8, and Aquila uses Windows 7. Because Windows 9 doesn't exist, the Mechanicus couldn't find a sacred OS for Mk. IX power armor, and needed to skip right to Mk. X.

Ah... That's why I prefer the other armies, the CSM who run on Linux, breaking free of the opressors, and even the Tau who run on Os X...

Don't know what the eldar use, though, something ancient and pretty... OMG...

THE ELDAR RUN ON AMIGA!!!

My AdMech run on Windows 95. Despite Microsoft dropping support thirty-nine milennia ago, the costs of writing new software to run their manufactora, Skitarii, Titans, and Servitors would bankrupt the entire Imperium.

To be honest I find it a bit cheesy , when do we get primary primaris marines I.e super super marines that outdo these ones, plus isn't Roundabout gullible lucky crawl continued his work when all thought he was a dead one.

Scale creep continues, nice enough models though.

Pfft, clearly just conversions.

This is probably the most absurd thing GW has ever done. I thought Ward writing was bad, and it was atrocious, but this entire concept is...just stupid.

If they wanted new truescale marines, just update the kits and just do a line revamp they way they did with Dark Eldar, no need to muck up the background like this in such a...nakedly idiotic manner.

While most of the 8E rules stuff makes it sound like an appreciable step above the last two editions, crap like this really kills the enthusiasm if this is the kind of stuff we can expect from the background at this point.

The minis are nice looking. However, if they're going to fit in with the First Legion, some of them have to wear robes.

 Fafnir wrote:

 Talamare wrote:
Isn't part of the Grimdark lore that Humanity is decaying?

It was, until GW's 'writers' completely lost sight of what made the 40k setting unique and interesting and started taking the fluff waaaaay too seriously.

Looking at the galaxy map, humanity has taken a really big hit. It took Cawl 10,000 years to come up with improved space marines and armor, something the Emperor did at the foundation of the imperium in what, a few centuries? This is the Imperium raging against the dying of the light. They might just stabilize a portion of human space, but they'll lose a lot of it in the process. Further, keep in mind the Imperium is still way, way, waaaaaay behind humanity at its peak during the 'Dark Age of Technology'.

 Vaktathi wrote:
This is probably the most absurd thing GW has ever done. I thought Ward writing was bad, and it was atrocious, but this entire concept is...just stupid.

If they wanted new truescale marines, just update the kits and just do a line revamp they way they did with Dark Eldar, no need to muck up the background like this in such a...nakedly idiotic manner.

While most of the 8E rules stuff makes it sound like an appreciable step above the last two editions, crap like this really kills the enthusiasm if this is the kind of stuff we can expect from the background at this point.

I agree. Of all of the things they could have done, creating a new super cool more awesomest Space Marines faction is one of the worst.

MK 9 is the deathwatch armor IIRC

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This is ridiculous, and goes against tone, fluff, setting, everything 40k is about. This is at the level of self parody.
But is probably transitory. Over time, ALL marines will be like that, the older ones will be phased out. Is a gimmick to have the old and new models in the same moment on the tabletop.
Good grief, I am so happy I quit and I just play for nostalgia now and then with the old lads.

Aye, and it really screams that GW just has bankrupted their creative abilities, if *this* was the best thing they could come up with, with all the lore and writing staff they have, it doesn't speak well to their remaining competencies.

 Luciferian wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
This is probably the most absurd thing GW has ever done. I thought Ward writing was bad, and it was atrocious, but this entire concept is...just stupid.

If they wanted new truescale marines, just update the kits and just do a line revamp they way they did with Dark Eldar, no need to muck up the background like this in such a...nakedly idiotic manner.

While most of the 8E rules stuff makes it sound like an appreciable step above the last two editions, crap like this really kills the enthusiasm if this is the kind of stuff we can expect from the background at this point.

I agree. Of all of the things they could have done, creating a new super cool more awesomest Space Marines faction is one of the worst.

Honestly, I think it was just a way to introduce a better Space Marine model, without "invalidating" everyone's space marines. Even if it technically didn't do that, people would feel like it did, and there are a looooot of space marines out there. The backlash could have been huge. Now they're just sliding these new models in there, and maybe in 10 years time, we'll see what becomes of it, after everyone has accepted them, and maybe sales have shifted to sell a bunch of Primaris Marines.

That's what I think, at least. It was the only safe way to improve on the space marine model.

 Vaktathi wrote:
Aye, and it really screams that GW just has bankrupted their creative abilities, if *this* was the best thing they could come up with, with all the lore and writing staff they have, it doesn't speak well to their remaining competencies.

Oh, you know I don't argue against that.

EDIT: actually is smarter, nevermind. If you give rules to these new marines, the models will be sold at a faster rate. My bad. This is smart because all the battered wives will jump on the new models.
Le good mr. Rountree meme, etc etc.
GW now is not like when it was under the bad, evil and probably stinky mr. Kirby, amrite?

I love how GW isn't responding to comments on Facebook now, just letting the galaxy burn.

 Grand.Master.Raziel wrote:
The minis are nice looking. However, if they're going to fit in with the First Legion, some of them have to wear robes.

And this is where the first Chapter civil war starts.

"Hey Azrael, these new guys say they won't wear the pajamas..."

Also 40k has always been a parody of itself. So over the top it circles to hilarious remember it's about:

Space wolfvikings sailing cathedrals through hell to settle a feud with dust-filled egyptian sorcerers turning into birds.

Green fungie getting steampunk tech to work on a paint job and believe

...

When was this golden age of creativity, originality and greatness of games workshop? Because I don't believe it ever existed.

Also I'll wait untill I see non-close ups of the new models to get a feeling for the scale difference.

 Vaktathi wrote:
This is probably the most absurd thing GW has ever done. I thought Ward writing was bad, and it was atrocious, but this entire concept is...just stupid.

If they wanted new truescale marines, just update the kits and just do a line revamp they way they did with Dark Eldar, no need to muck up the background like this in such a...nakedly idiotic manner.

While most of the 8E rules stuff makes it sound like an appreciable step above the last two editions, crap like this really kills the enthusiasm if this is the kind of stuff we can expect from the background at this point.

Yep. All they had to do was sneak in the numarines as replacements to the old kits, and slowly wait for them to get phased in, just like size creep has worked for every other line and generation of models. Better for it that the marines would even be truescaled. Hell, they could even fluff it by just saying that it's a new mark of space marine armour (what with the interchangeable heads/shoulders and all).

But the fluff for these guys is instead just asinine.

Earth127 wrote:
Also 40k has always been a parody of itself. So over the top it circles to hilarious remember it's about:

Space wolfvikings sailing cathedrals through hell to settle a feud with dust-filled egyptian sorcerers turning into birds.

Green fungie getting steampunk tech to work on a paintr job and believe

...

When was this golden age of creativity, originality and greatness of games workshop? Because I don't believe it ever existed.

Because your two examples are back when everything was silly and awesome. Yes, it was ridiculous, that was the point. It was supposed to be one big stupid joke. But now it's very clear that the current writing staff take it all as if it were actually a serious space opera, and all of that magic and goofiness is treated like some sort of old shame.

So, if a normal space marine is 13 points how much do you think these guys will cost per model?

 Mud Turkey 13 wrote:
So, if a normal space marine is 13 points how much do you think these guys will cost per model?

14 or more.

 Vaktathi wrote:
This is probably the most absurd thing GW has ever done. I thought Ward writing was bad, and it was atrocious, but this entire concept is...just stupid.

If they wanted new truescale marines, just update the kits and just do a line revamp they way they did with Dark Eldar, no need to muck up the background like this in such a...nakedly idiotic manner.

While most of the 8E rules stuff makes it sound like an appreciable step above the last two editions, crap like this really kills the enthusiasm if this is the kind of stuff we can expect from the background at this point.

Yeah...GW needs to proceed carefully. I'm fine with them progressing the story but the gathering storms books felt super rushed. Now we have ultra ultra marines? Whatever happened to:

"Forget the power of technology & science. For so much has been forgotten never to be relearned? For in the future there is only WAR." ?

We are drifting away from what makes 40K great. Stay true to the grimdark.

I really wonder how big the scale difference is gonna be. Helmet and shoulder pads are the same size? But the torso and legs are different. They seem like they're just.... thicker.

I just don't understand the point. What role are these models supposed to fill in a Space Marine army that they were currently lacking?

Did SM really need a new melee unit, mid line unit, or back line unit? Will these replace vanguard vets or centurions? I just don't see how these will fit as anything but a new elite stand alone army.

I'm curious what role these will fill, that isn't already filled by other stuff, like Sternguard, or Terminators.

 Commissar Benny wrote:

Yeah...GW needs to proceed carefully. I'm fine with them progressing the story but the gathering storms books felt super rushed. Now we have ultra ultra marines? Whatever happened to:

"Forget the power of technology & science. For so much has been forgotten never to be relearned? For in the future there is only WAR." ?

We are drifting away from what makes 40K great. Stay true to the grimdark.

Seriously?
How much more fething grimdark can we get?

The Imperium is split in half by a gigantic frigging warp rift.
Daemons are manifesting all over the place.
The biggest Black Crusade in history made it through, successfully, and even destroyed the Cadian Gate and the Pylons that held the Eye of Terror in check.

We have a few small bright spots for the Imperium in the form of Guilliman returning and Cawl's "Primaris Marine" project finally coming to fruition, with Guilliman launching the "Indomitus Crusade" to retake territory that was just months prior Imperial turf...

And we're drifting away from the grimdark?!

So, if a normal space marine is 13 points how much do you think these guys will cost per model?

I'm hoping there is a reasonably significant increase, something like 25 points per model with the 7th ed points scale.

In game terms this would make a Primaris Marine worth about 4 Orks, which seems reasonable given their background as a new elite fighting force.

 Commissar Benny wrote:

Yeah...GW needs to proceed carefully. I'm fine with them progressing the story but the gathering storms books felt super rushed. Now we have ultra ultra marines? Whatever happened to:

"Forget the power of technology & science. For so much has been forgotten never to be relearned? For in the future there is only WAR." ?

I think that the entire premise of 40k could (at least, up until relatively recently) and should be summed up as 40000 years of:

"...and they didn't learn a thing"

Sadly, the same could potentially be said of GW's writing staff, who may have taken that credo a bit too seriously.

But hey, at least the rules guys seem to be on a better track, and the models are gosh darn pretty. Really though, I've mostly just been trying my best to ignore pretty much all of the fluff that came out since (very) early-on in 5th.

Well i guess it's their way of face for gw. They are the new gw after all but im gonna stick by my thoughts that this will eventually be the new scale of marines and possibly be how they retcon the special snowflake chapters

 Purifier wrote:

 Mud Turkey 13 wrote:
So, if a normal space marine is 13 points how much do you think these guys will cost per model?

14 or more.

I'm guessing they'll be 20 points or more, depending on how their statline changes. These ones will need to be both stronger and tougher than their older brethren, and I don't know if that's going to be signified by additional Strength/Toughness, or close combat attacks with -1AP and +1 Wound.

I will probably only add what comes with the Starter assuming they come in the starter and it is all not the new PMs.

I'm kind of Meh about them. So long as game wise they are balanced I will be fine with them.

I'm not too keen on the Fluff surrounding them. It could be that they were being created during the Horus Heresy and the Imperium simply ran out of time. Given that the Imperium probably wouldn't have been too keen on the idea of Super Space Marines once the Horus Heresy ended, the project was quietly forgotten, but continued slowly in secret (under Guillimans orders). Given the amount of knowledge and resources lost during the Heresy, production slowed (to a crawl) and its only now that Guilliman is back that the project is being revealed. That angle I could get behind.

I'll be very curious as to how the Space Marine Chapters react (and interact) with the Primaris Marines. I would imagine there would be resentment from a lot of Chapters, given that the Primaris aren't from their homeworld, don't share the traditions and such like.