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I love the Interceptors (the Jump guys right?). I like the idea that they wanted mobility, but they are too big for Bikes and traditional Jump packs, so they made their own thing
They are like less armoured flying Centurians.

Come to think of it, Marines seem to have a few T'au like suits.
Interceptors = Crisis suits
Centurians = Broadsides

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
When you compare the regular Power Sword to the Master Crafted variant shown here, it does +1 Damage. Possibly a future look into how Master Crafted works now?

I'm totally fine with that. Rerolling to hit makes little sense anyway. Your weapon is better made so it hits SLIGHTLY more? That's just silly b

If Salamanders keep Master-crafted on all their characters, that could make them a lot nastier!

 Galef wrote:
I love the Interceptors (the Jump guys right?). I like the idea that they wanted mobility, but they are too big for Bikes and traditional Jump packs, so they made their own thing
They are like less armoured flying Centurians.

Come to think of it, Marines seem to have a few T'au like suits.
Interceptors = Crisis suits
Centurians = Broadsides

I'm getting a strong "Dornian Heresy" vibe from the new Primaris Marines. That's not a bad thing, mind you, just something I have noticed.

And they are "Inceptors", drop the "ter" and you have it

I just hate how the interceptors look, if they looked assault marines with double pistols I'll be happy so as soon as I can I'll swap them with that

 john27 wrote:
I just hate how the interceptors look, if they looked assault marines with double pistols I'll be happy so as soon as I can I'll swap them with that

I personally love the way they look (maybe not the "shovel" boots) as they have something of a blast shield on those bolters. To each their own I guess.

 BunkhouseBuster wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
When you compare the regular Power Sword to the Master Crafted variant shown here, it does +1 Damage. Possibly a future look into how Master Crafted works now?

I'm totally fine with that. Rerolling to hit makes little sense anyway. Your weapon is better made so it hits SLIGHTLY more? That's just silly b

If Salamanders keep Master-crafted on all their characters, that could make them a lot nastier!

 Galef wrote:
I love the Interceptors (the Jump guys right?). I like the idea that they wanted mobility, but they are too big for Bikes and traditional Jump packs, so they made their own thing
They are like less armoured flying Centurians.

Come to think of it, Marines seem to have a few T'au like suits.
Interceptors = Crisis suits
Centurians = Broadsides

I'm getting a strong "Dornian Heresy" vibe from the new Primaris Marines. That's not a bad thing, mind you, just something I have noticed.

And they are "Inceptors", drop the "ter" and you have it

That's definitely an indirect buff to the Salamanders Chapter Tactics.

 john27 wrote:
I just hate how the interceptors look, if they looked assault marines with double pistols I'll be happy so as soon as I can I'll swap them with that

Have you seen the photoshops of them in Black Templars and Salamanders colors? I think they look a lot better in black and green, even though I normally like the Ultramarines paint scheme.

I hope Inceptors look good in Blood Angel red, i'm getting 9 of them.

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:

 john27 wrote:
I just hate how the interceptors look, if they looked assault marines with double pistols I'll be happy so as soon as I can I'll swap them with that

Have you seen the photoshops of them in Black Templars and Salamanders colors? I think they look a lot better in black and green, even though I normally like the Ultramarines paint scheme.

Could you provide a link?

 Crimson wrote:

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:

 john27 wrote:
I just hate how the interceptors look, if they looked assault marines with double pistols I'll be happy so as soon as I can I'll swap them with that

Have you seen the photoshops of them in Black Templars and Salamanders colors? I think they look a lot better in black and green, even though I normally like the Ultramarines paint scheme.

Could you provide a link?

I dug out this thread on reddit :https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/6d2w8j/inceptor_conversion_idea/

I saw the pictures in the thread in News & Rumors. I think they originally came from Reddit, maybe from the same source that Kandela posted.

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
I saw the pictures in the thread in News & Rumors. I think they originally came from Reddit, maybe from the same source that Kandela posted.

I remember there being just pics of the captain, and that turd needs more polishing than a simple new coat of paint can accomplish.

 Crimson wrote:

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
I saw the pictures in the thread in News & Rumors. I think they originally came from Reddit, maybe from the same source that Kandela posted.

I remember there being just pics of the captain, and that turd needs more polishing than a simple new coat of paint can accomplish.

I looked back a few pages and didn't see them, but that thread moves so fast that if it didn't happen in the last few hours it is ancient history.

 Strg Alt wrote:
@Kanluwen & MechaEmperor7000:

I guess you are both right. I still feel that hand-held Heavy Bolters are not only a bit much but ridiculous. Alas, size creep can´t be avoided.

depends, I mean it does have the shorter range.

I know how people hate to bring real world equivalents into subjects... but I am going to

I have several rifles, one is a AR10 it shoots .308/ 7.62x51

one of my favorite little rifles is technically a pistol (8 inch barrel) though most people would call it a submachine gun type though it shoots a rifle cartridge. it is a AR15 but with a no stock (has one functionally but it has a brace not a stock for legal reasons and the super short barrel) it too shoots a 308 projectile but through a smaller shell casing so less power behind it.

I handload and use sierra match king 168 grain bullets in everything I load. in gel the two look about the same ballistically at short range but walk it out 300 yards and I will be lucky to hit the gel with the pistol and when I do it is not performing as well as the ar10 does ((also the ar10 put em in a nice little 2-3 inch group at 300 yards, the pistol might get em all on the paper if I am having a good day).

I could see this being theoretically similar. uses heavy bolter rounds with less propellant behind them. functionally the same up close, drastically different at substancial range

 Grimgold wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
This Inceptor squad is supposed to be an assault squad, right? Well, their firepower is just far off the scale with six shots per model (S5 AP-1). Normally, the ranged firepower a unit can contribute to the battle looks like this:

Firepower:
Tactical Squad: Medium
Assault: Low
Devastator: High

SOB Seraphim squads also wield dual pistols but their offensive firepower is mediocre compared to these offenders. Interceptor´s are a Timmy´s wet dream come true.

The Cpt. ont the other hand looks alright.

Think of them as jetbikes and not an assault squad. Besides if seraphim cost a fourth of what these guys cost, the SoB they would mop the floor with them. Everything is OP, nothing is OP, points determine all.

Worth noting this squad has the same power as a msu of rubric infantry, despite having dramatically better fire power and mobility (by a huge margin), a bit more durable, being able to dish out mortal wounds slightly less often, and having better deployment options. Oh, and rubric marines are a little better in close combat as they have both pistols and a force weapon on their sergeant.

So, at a glance, either the power system will be pretty useless, or they just failed at value overall and points won't be even close to representative.

Oh goody.

SilverAlien wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
This Inceptor squad is supposed to be an assault squad, right? Well, their firepower is just far off the scale with six shots per model (S5 AP-1). Normally, the ranged firepower a unit can contribute to the battle looks like this:

Firepower:
Tactical Squad: Medium
Assault: Low
Devastator: High

SOB Seraphim squads also wield dual pistols but their offensive firepower is mediocre compared to these offenders. Interceptor´s are a Timmy´s wet dream come true.

The Cpt. ont the other hand looks alright.

Think of them as jetbikes and not an assault squad. Besides if seraphim cost a fourth of what these guys cost, the SoB they would mop the floor with them. Everything is OP, nothing is OP, points determine all.

Worth noting this squad has the same power as a msu of rubric infantry, despite having dramatically better fire power and mobility (by a huge margin), a bit more durable, being able to dish out mortal wounds slightly less often, and having better deployment options. Oh, and rubric marines are a little better in close combat as they have both pistols and a force weapon on their sergeant.

So, at a glance, either the power system will be pretty useless, or they just failed at value overall and points won't be even close to representative.

Oh goody.

Rubric marines are troops which could infer some advantage like objective secured, they have an attached psycher (who can deny which based on the wording might be something not every unit even gets a chance to do), add 1 to saves against 1 wound weapons and have the 5++, has a force weapon for d3 wounds, the rubric bolters have a longer range and better rend plus are rapid fire, and has 2 more bodies.

the Interceptors are +1 T, more mobile, not troops, has a cool way of coming on the table and has a 17% chance per model charging in of dealing a mortal wound. their gun is shorter range and not as high of rend but has more volume of fire in range.

they have their own + and - but I expect the interceptors will cost a bit more in competitive play, remember those points are for casual and rubrics might have just barely been worth 6 points thile the interceptors might have been just below the 7 point threshold., are they within 17% of eachother points wise... probably


1 less wound

 G00fySmiley wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
@Kanluwen & MechaEmperor7000:

I guess you are both right. I still feel that hand-held Heavy Bolters are not only a bit much but ridiculous. Alas, size creep can´t be avoided.

depends, I mean it does have the shorter range.

I know how people hate to bring real world equivalents into subjects... but I am going to

I have several rifles, one is a AR10 it shoots .308/ 7.62x51

one of my favorite little rifles is technically a pistol (8 inch barrel) though most people would call it a submachine gun type though it shoots a rifle cartridge. it is a AR15 but with a no stock (has one functionally but it has a brace not a stock for legal reasons and the super short barrel) it too shoots a 308 projectile but through a smaller shell casing so less power behind it.

I handload and use sierra match king 168 grain bullets in everything I load. in gel the two look about the same ballistically at short range but walk it out 300 yards and I will be lucky to hit the gel with the pistol and when I do it is not performing as well as the ar10 does ((also the ar10 put em in a nice little 2-3 inch group at 300 yards, the pistol might get em all on the paper if I am having a good day).

I could see this being theoretically similar. uses heavy bolter rounds with less propellant behind them. functionally the same up close, drastically different at substancial range

A more direct comparison rather than a 308 in a smaller casing would be the PTR clones of the G3 Rifle.

You can get the PTR-91 A3 (18" Barrel), like what I own, in the fullsize .308/7.62 Nato and you can get the PTR-51P Pistol with an 8" Barrel, that also fires the full size .308/7.62 Nato.

I was imagining the interceptors to have a similar but different cartridge but yea

ona side note <3 H&K

I wonder what the Primaris Marines will get to tangle with dedicated close combat troops. Those Inceptors might do reasonably on the charge against shooty units but anything particularly stabby or choppy will maul them.

 Galef wrote:
I love the Interceptors (the Jump guys right?). I like the idea that they wanted mobility, but they are too big for Bikes and traditional Jump packs, so they made their own thing
They are like less armoured flying Centurians.

Come to think of it, Marines seem to have a few T'au like suits.
Interceptors = Crisis suits
Centurians = Broadsides

Calling it now, the hinted at primaris dreadnought is just as tall and deadly as a riptide.

 G00fySmiley wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
@Kanluwen & MechaEmperor7000:

I guess you are both right. I still feel that hand-held Heavy Bolters are not only a bit much but ridiculous. Alas, size creep can´t be avoided.

depends, I mean it does have the shorter range.

I know how people hate to bring real world equivalents into subjects... but I am going t

It's weird, because the Heavy Bolter seems more like a heavy machine gun but in the game it is sometimes used more like a GPMG. These Assault Bolters seem more like M2 pistols than AR pistols, but maybe they're more like M60 pistols.

Either way, it's pretty ridiculous. All of 40k is pretty ridiculous, and I enjoy that aspect of it. Space Marines are also gigantic, transhuman super soldiers in power armor, so they can do a lot of things that are impossible for a human to do.

I'm still having a hard time liking the Assault Bolters. It's not that they're ridiculous, it just seems like they make Heavy Bolters and Storm Bolters lame in comparison (although the Storm Bolter rules haven't been released yet so maybe it will get a buff). It's the same problem I have with Primaris Marines in general. I like the models, and I like Space Marines and think it's a good idea to make them more dangerous on the tabletop so they are a little closer to how they are in the fluff. The thing I don't like about Primaris Marines is that they are coming out with a different set of rules for them, as opposed to making them a new Mk of power armor and giving super duper killy rules to all Space Marines. To me, it makes the older Marines that they've been building up as the ultimate killing machines for so long seem pretty sad and weak.

I'm trying to remain optimistic that they'll have a bunch of fluff that makes me love what they're doing with the Primaris Marines. The bit about being able to upgrade existing Marines into Primaris Marines makes me happy. Even if it doesn't go the way that I personally want, I'll just try to headcannon it away into "nope, the Primaris Marines are just Space Marines and this is always the way Space Marines were." It does no good for me to get all butthurt about it.


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So if the Space Marines are getting Seraphim does this mean the Sisters are getting Drop Pods? Maybe they'll get Land Raiders or Centurions instead?

Or will it be the Tau getting bikes?

 Robin5t wrote:
I wonder what the Primaris Marines will get to tangle with dedicated close combat troops. Those Inceptors might do reasonably on the charge against shooty units but anything particularly stabby or choppy will maul them.

yeah agreed. I mean Primaris Marines over all are pretty good in that department, (I mean a unit of 5 gets 10 attacks at S4, that's not BAD) but they lack a dedicated melee unit. I'd like to see maybe a unit equipped with a sword and thunder shield or something.

 Robin5t wrote:
I wonder what the Primaris Marines will get to tangle with dedicated close combat troops. Those Inceptors might do reasonably on the charge against shooty units but anything particularly stabby or choppy will maul them.

At this point I totally expect Inceptors' CC equivalents to be dual-wielding eviscerators.

 G00fySmiley wrote:
I was imagining the interceptors to have a similar but different cartridge but yea

ona side note <3 H&K

Not necessary to have a different cartridge to account for decreased range capability - barrel length accounts for muzzle velocity. The shorter a barrel is, the less time the propellant has to build up pressure behind the projectile, and the slower the projectile will be moving when it exits the barrel. Thus it will not be able to travel the same distance before it experiences "drop".

 G00fySmiley wrote:
I was imagining the interceptors to have a similar but different cartridge but yea

ona side note <3 H&K

Ah, see I was imagining they lose range because the round isn't as stable out of the platform.

In response to the side note, I love all my H&Ks.

I think the Inceptor Squads are fine. Fast unit with a short range weapon. Those Bolters are Assault weapons not pistols, so no firing them while engaged in CC. The Captain on the other hand has me concerned. In CC he will get 3 S4 pistol shots and 5(or 6 for 2 CC weapons?) Hitting on 3s at S8 doing 1d3 Wounds each! He also gets a 3up/4up Save. And this is just a CAPTAIN! What will a Chapter Master look like?!

Suddenly the Swarmlord doesn't look all that great.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 G00fySmiley wrote:
I was imagining the interceptors to have a similar but different cartridge but yea

ona side note <3 H&K

Ah, see I was imagining they lose range because the round isn't as stable out of the platform.

In response to the side note, I love all my H&Ks.

That's not quite right either. A round fired out of a shorter barrel will have a more stable and predictable flight pattern because shorter barrels don't flex and vibrate as much as longer ones. However, it will also not be traveling as fast. The same round fired out of two different lengths of barrel will be affected by gravity and drop at the same rate, but the one fired from the longer barrel will have a higher velocity and will be able to travel a greater distance before this happens.

 Luciferian wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 G00fySmiley wrote:
I was imagining the interceptors to have a similar but different cartridge but yea

ona side note <3 H&K

Ah, see I was imagining they lose range because the round isn't as stable out of the platform.

In response to the side note, I love all my H&Ks.

That's not quite right either. A round fired out of a shorter barrel will have a more stable and predictable flight pattern because shorter barrels don't flex and vibrate as much as longer ones. However, it will also not be traveling as fast. The same round fired out of two different lengths of barrel will be affected by gravity and drop at the same rate, but the one fired from the longer barrel will have a higher velocity and will be able to travel a greater distance before this happens.

Certain cartridges are more stable out of the longer barrel, ie .308

Edit, I could be wrong though, I've not brushed up in a while and things are constantly changing.

With rocket propelled ammunition it seems like a long barrel wouldn't do much.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

Certain cartridges are more stable out of the longer barrel, ie .308

Perhaps individually, but there will be more variation across multiple rounds. Shorter barrels are generally more accurate than longer ones, but if you're trying to shoot out to distance it doesn't matter because you will need the velocity.

But anyway, a discussion about ballistics is a bit out of the scope of this thread. In any case, it makes sense that their short-barreled heavy bolters wouldn't have the same range as a normal one.

 Luciferian wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

Certain cartridges are more stable out of the longer barrel, ie .308

Perhaps individually, but there will be more variation across multiple rounds. Shorter barrels are generally more accurate than longer ones, but if you're trying to shoot out to distance it doesn't matter because you will need the velocity.

But anyway, a discussion about ballistics is a bit out of the scope of this thread. In any case, it makes sense that their short-barreled heavy bolters wouldn't have the same range as a normal one.

Indeed, either way it makes sense.