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Mixed geneseed is *possible*, yes, but it is:
A) Very rare in fluff (especially if it also included a traitor legion's)
and
B) Inefficient. When you have the Chapter's geneseed split amongst the Chapter, it means you have to cater for two (or more) genetic types, so I could imagine that things like blood transfusions, Larraman Cell donations, genetic disorders and diseases, and general paperwork would be so much more complicated. Your Apothecaries would need to not only know one type of geneseed like every other Apothecary, but two instead. For what cause? Why would a Chimeric Geneseed add anything to your Chapter?

I'll admit that perhaps it could be fun to play with a psuedo-racism issue (a la Honsou), or something along those lines, but generally, there's nothing that Chimeric geneseed would bring, other than being a little snowflakey.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Mixed geneseed is *possible*, yes, but it is:
A) Very rare in fluff (especially if it also included a traitor legion's)
and
B) Inefficient. When you have the Chapter's geneseed split amongst the Chapter, it means you have to cater for two (or more) genetic types, so I could imagine that things like blood transfusions, Larraman Cell donations, genetic disorders and diseases, and general paperwork would be so much more complicated. Your Apothecaries would need to not only know one type of geneseed like every other Apothecary, but two instead. For what cause? Why would a Chimeric Geneseed add anything to your Chapter?

I'll admit that perhaps it could be fun to play with a psuedo-racism issue (a la Honsou), or something along those lines, but generally, there's nothing that Chimeric geneseed would bring, other than being a little snowflakey.

Just was wondering would it be a good combination to have a mix between the night lords and the blood angels?

naoki the curseblood wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Mixed geneseed is *possible*, yes, but it is:
A) Very rare in fluff (especially if it also included a traitor legion's)
and
B) Inefficient. When you have the Chapter's geneseed split amongst the Chapter, it means you have to cater for two (or more) genetic types, so I could imagine that things like blood transfusions, Larraman Cell donations, genetic disorders and diseases, and general paperwork would be so much more complicated. Your Apothecaries would need to not only know one type of geneseed like every other Apothecary, but two instead. For what cause? Why would a Chimeric Geneseed add anything to your Chapter?

I'll admit that perhaps it could be fun to play with a psuedo-racism issue (a la Honsou), or something along those lines, but generally, there's nothing that Chimeric geneseed would bring, other than being a little snowflakey.

Just was wondering would it be a good combination to have a mix between the night lords and the blood angels?

Again as all I said - possible, but I'd really advise against it. What would being split actually ADD to the Chapter's theme?

Night lords is my vote.

 Aetare wrote:
Night lords is my vote.

Ok then
Night lords 2
Blood angels 1


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 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

naoki the curseblood wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Mixed geneseed is *possible*, yes, but it is:
A) Very rare in fluff (especially if it also included a traitor legion's)
and
B) Inefficient. When you have the Chapter's geneseed split amongst the Chapter, it means you have to cater for two (or more) genetic types, so I could imagine that things like blood transfusions, Larraman Cell donations, genetic disorders and diseases, and general paperwork would be so much more complicated. Your Apothecaries would need to not only know one type of geneseed like every other Apothecary, but two instead. For what cause? Why would a Chimeric Geneseed add anything to your Chapter?

I'll admit that perhaps it could be fun to play with a psuedo-racism issue (a la Honsou), or something along those lines, but generally, there's nothing that Chimeric geneseed would bring, other than being a little snowflakey.

Just was wondering would it be a good combination to have a mix between the night lords and the blood angels?

Again as all I said - possible, but I'd really advise against it. What would being split actually ADD to the Chapter's theme?

ok then thanks for the advice

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

naoki the curseblood wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Mixed geneseed is *possible*, yes, but it is:
A) Very rare in fluff (especially if it also included a traitor legion's)
and
B) Inefficient. When you have the Chapter's geneseed split amongst the Chapter, it means you have to cater for two (or more) genetic types, so I could imagine that things like blood transfusions, Larraman Cell donations, genetic disorders and diseases, and general paperwork would be so much more complicated. Your Apothecaries would need to not only know one type of geneseed like every other Apothecary, but two instead. For what cause? Why would a Chimeric Geneseed add anything to your Chapter?

I'll admit that perhaps it could be fun to play with a psuedo-racism issue (a la Honsou), or something along those lines, but generally, there's nothing that Chimeric geneseed would bring, other than being a little snowflakey.

Just was wondering would it be a good combination to have a mix between the night lords and the blood angels?

Again as all I said - possible, but I'd really advise against it. What would being split actually ADD to the Chapter's theme?

I have an idea that in an attempt to redeem themselves for the actions of their primogenitors before they went renegade the ordo minoris they were destined to serve offered them the chance to redeem themselves by becoming their chamber militant part the agreement was having their geneseed mixed with blood angel in attempt to make the perfect terror weapon
feel free to criticize

I'm gonna chip in my vote for night lords, mainly because They're my Chaos legion of choice, but because I'd also like to add my 2 Cents to the chapter behaviours discussion.

There are Two main lines to go down for the "Night Lords" identity:
The Primarch.
The Marines themselves and their previous lives.

The Primarch

Konrad Curze actively encouraged his legion to present a very fearful and, in some cases, Macabre appearance in order to inspire fear. this has only swollen with the night lords aligned to chaos as they have become unbound from any authority but their own.
Your legion may still remember these teachings but they may be regularly investigated by the inquisition or held well at arms length as they still hold some of these teachings after the millennia but cannot take it to the extreme due to imperial censor.

The Marines themselves

Towards the end of the heresy, the large majority of the legion consisted of criminals and other despicable characters that once again plagued Nostramo after it returned to crime. Have the marines in the chapter you wrote being privy to the darker nature of humanity or are they from the same general grimdark of the universe? this can greatly affect the marines own inhibitions about what the can, will and would do given a situation.

Tristanleo wrote:
I'm gonna chip in my vote for night lords, mainly because They're my Chaos legion of choice, but because I'd also like to add my 2 Cents to the chapter behaviours discussion.

There are Two main lines to go down for the "Night Lords" identity:
The Primarch.
The Marines themselves and their previous lives.

The Primarch

Konrad Curze actively encouraged his legion to present a very fearful and, in some cases, Macabre appearance in order to inspire fear. this has only swollen with the night lords aligned to chaos as they have become unbound from any authority but their own.
Your legion may still remember these teachings but they may be regularly investigated by the inquisition or held well at arms length as they still hold some of these teachings after the millennia but cannot take it to the extreme due to imperial censor.

The Marines themselves

Towards the end of the heresy, the large majority of the legion consisted of criminals and other despicable characters that once again plagued Nostramo after it returned to crime. Have the marines in the chapter you wrote being privy to the darker nature of humanity or are they from the same general grimdark of the universe? this can greatly affect the marines own inhibitions about what the can, will and would do given a situation.

for the marines of the silent claws it depends on whether the marine was from Secretis or Aquali the ones from secretis were pure blooded human ferals which worshiped the emperor then there's the aqualyans from aquali as their cultures are very different while both death worlds are similar to each other secretis is not a night world

Without being rapists and murderers at a young age, without a Primarch to encourage these tendencies and then hate them for the reasons they do what they do, I don't think Night Lords geneseed would have been all bad.
Therefore I like your idea. It can be cliched as someone said above, but if you don't make them too special snow flake then it is no more cliched than any other chapter.

 Rippy wrote:
Without being rapists and murderers at a young age, without a Primarch to encourage these tendencies and then hate them for the reasons they do what they do, I don't think Night Lords geneseed would have been all bad.
Therefore I like your idea. It can be cliched as someone said above, but if you don't make them too special snow flake then it is no more cliched than any other chapter.

Well, considering like half of all homebrew chapters seem to be secretly from traitor geneseed, I'd say it is incredibly cliched. Especially when there is no special need for it. Nothing you can do with Night Lords geneseed you can't do with Raven Guard or Blood Angel geneseed. Now there is nothing inherently bad about cliches, but it does get a bit tiresome.
Anyways, it seems the lords of Mars might want to keep a tighter eye on their geneseed vaults, with all these traitors running about

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Without being rapists and murderers at a young age, without a Primarch to encourage these tendencies and then hate them for the reasons they do what they do, I don't think Night Lords geneseed would have been all bad.
Therefore I like your idea. It can be cliched as someone said above, but if you don't make them too special snow flake then it is no more cliched than any other chapter.

Well, considering like half of all homebrew chapters seem to be secretly from traitor geneseed, I'd say it is incredibly cliched. Especially when there is no special need for it. Nothing you can do with Night Lords geneseed you can't do with Raven Guard or Blood Angel geneseed. Now there is nothing inherently bad about cliches, but it does get a bit tiresome.
Anyways, it seems the lords of Mars might want to keep a tighter eye on their geneseed vaults, with all these traitors running about

yeah the only thing more cliche then "descended from traitor geneseed" is "renegeades but still really loyal and good guys!"

BrianDavion wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Without being rapists and murderers at a young age, without a Primarch to encourage these tendencies and then hate them for the reasons they do what they do, I don't think Night Lords geneseed would have been all bad.
Therefore I like your idea. It can be cliched as someone said above, but if you don't make them too special snow flake then it is no more cliched than any other chapter.

Well, considering like half of all homebrew chapters seem to be secretly from traitor geneseed, I'd say it is incredibly cliched. Especially when there is no special need for it. Nothing you can do with Night Lords geneseed you can't do with Raven Guard or Blood Angel geneseed. Now there is nothing inherently bad about cliches, but it does get a bit tiresome.
Anyways, it seems the lords of Mars might want to keep a tighter eye on their geneseed vaults, with all these traitors running about

yeah the only thing more cliche then "descended from traitor geneseed" is "renegeades but still really loyal and good guys!"

Or "transported through the Warp from the Heresy era". But the worst one is gotta be the one that combines all three cliches: the loyal renegade chapter descended from a traitor legion force transported 10,000 years into the future. I love it when that one pops up.

 Rippy wrote:
Without being rapists and murderers at a young age, without a Primarch to encourage these tendencies and then hate them for the reasons they do what they do, I don't think Night Lords geneseed would have been all bad.
Therefore I like your idea. It can be cliched as someone said above, but if you don't make them too special snow flake then it is no more cliched than any other chapter.

I see your point very well then
Also judging by your criticism that's a vote for night lords right?


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BrianDavion wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Without being rapists and murderers at a young age, without a Primarch to encourage these tendencies and then hate them for the reasons they do what they do, I don't think Night Lords geneseed would have been all bad.
Therefore I like your idea. It can be cliched as someone said above, but if you don't make them too special snow flake then it is no more cliched than any other chapter.

Well, considering like half of all homebrew chapters seem to be secretly from traitor geneseed, I'd say it is incredibly cliched. Especially when there is no special need for it. Nothing you can do with Night Lords geneseed you can't do with Raven Guard or Blood Angel geneseed. Now there is nothing inherently bad about cliches, but it does get a bit tiresome.
Anyways, it seems the lords of Mars might want to keep a tighter eye on their geneseed vaults, with all these traitors running about

yeah the only thing more cliche then "descended from traitor geneseed" is "renegeades but still really loyal and good guys!"

judging by your criticism that's a vote for blood angels


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 Iron_Captain wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Without being rapists and murderers at a young age, without a Primarch to encourage these tendencies and then hate them for the reasons they do what they do, I don't think Night Lords geneseed would have been all bad.
Therefore I like your idea. It can be cliched as someone said above, but if you don't make them too special snow flake then it is no more cliched than any other chapter.

Well, considering like half of all homebrew chapters seem to be secretly from traitor geneseed, I'd say it is incredibly cliched. Especially when there is no special need for it. Nothing you can do with Night Lords geneseed you can't do with Raven Guard or Blood Angel geneseed. Now there is nothing inherently bad about cliches, but it does get a bit tiresome.
Anyways, it seems the lords of Mars might want to keep a tighter eye on their geneseed vaults, with all these traitors running about

yeah the only thing more cliche then "descended from traitor geneseed" is "renegeades but still really loyal and good guys!"

Or "transported through the Warp from the Heresy era". But the worst one is gotta be the one that combines all three cliches: the loyal renegade chapter descended from a traitor legion force transported 10,000 years into the future. I love it when that one pops up.

judging by your criticism that's a vote for blood angels
that means we're at
1. night lords 4
2.blood angels 3
just a heads up
the first out of these two to get to ten will be the legion they desend from and
i've scrapped the idea of having them with a mixed gene seed

I've been doing edits to the fandex
I've made two drafts one with them as a blood angel successors and the other as night lords successors
[edit]: i've updated the files

I've been trying to make lore about units for the codex
it may take some time

I've come up with a few units many are unique but I'm having trouble coming up with an idea for a replacement unit for terminators as they lost their terminator armour during the battle for and they don't have the following units tactical squads centurion squads both types of which stormraven stormtalon hunter tank stalker tank both types of terminator squads
I'm wondering if i could utilise xenos units as the silent claws do use xenos technology tau and eldar in particular
so what advice could you give me when it comes to this?

I'd suggest third party manafacturers using "counts as"

so rather then using terminators you'd use something else but use terminator rules. https://puppetswar.eu/ try looking there. they have some neat looking alterntives.

https://puppetswar.eu/product.php?id_product=478 Maybe use that as a terminator stand in? it looks kinda crude compared to standard terminator armor, so might make an excellent "make shift stand in"

I was hoping on making some unique rules and units but thank you for your help

naoki the curseblood wrote:
I was hoping on making some unique rules and units but thank you for your help

no problem, unique rules and units could be fun, but it might limit your abilities to play (obviously though you know your local gaming situation better then anyone else if your local opponents are cool with it, go for it! ) hence why I suggest considering counts as.

naoki the curseblood wrote:
I was hoping on making some unique rules and units but thank you for your help

If your going to make some unique rules for your chapter, I would wait until Codex SM/CSM comes out to see what direction GW is taking the chapter tactics stuff this edition.

 mrhappyface wrote:

naoki the curseblood wrote:
I was hoping on making some unique rules and units but thank you for your help

If your going to make some unique rules for your chapter, I would wait until Codex SM/CSM comes out to see what direction GW is taking the chapter tactics stuff this edition.

You have a point there that's actual what I've been doing but i'm trying to come up new ideas for units

naoki the curseblood wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

naoki the curseblood wrote:
I was hoping on making some unique rules and units but thank you for your help

If your going to make some unique rules for your chapter, I would wait until Codex SM/CSM comes out to see what direction GW is taking the chapter tactics stuff this edition.

You have a point there that's actual what I've been doing but i'm trying to come up new ideas for units

What've you got so far?

Well i've made a unit which is a mixture of a librarian a chaplain and an apothecary

naoki the curseblood wrote:
Well i've made a unit which is a mixture of a librarian a chaplain and an apothecary

Care to explain?

In time once I've finishd this draft for night lord successors version of it
But I'm having second thoughts on this empire idea because i can't decide on what it should be like
Ideas i did have was the head of this empire is a council
Additionally the empire was meant to have freedom of speech and the state religon is mainly the faith of narsi but atheism is not condemned chaos is however

freedom of speach is an intreasting one, you can do a lot with that because it can be a bit of a huge flaw. the society would be partiuclarly vunerable to Chaos Cults, Genestealer Cults, the Tau (assuming you're near the eastren Fringe) because by time these guys passed from simply exercising their freedom, to outright sedition it'd proably be too late.

BTW random thought, reading what you're written, Narsi sounds an aweful lot like a "prettified version of Tzeetch" if you wanna toss a standard 40k "Grim dark twist!" in it. play that up, lay in some subtle hints that maybe just MAYBE this is some elaborate long con from Tzeetch, doesn't have to do anything specific, stuff like using the number 9, having psykers be prominant etc. I'm not saying "say Narsi is Tzeetch". DON'T say that (saying it's boring) just throw in eneugh signs that people who read the text smile and go "oooh, this is all as planned"

BrianDavion wrote:
freedom of speach is an intreasting one, you can do a lot with that because it can be a bit of a huge flaw. the society would be partiuclarly vunerable to Chaos Cults, Genestealer Cults, the Tau (assuming you're near the eastren Fringe) because by time these guys passed from simply exercising their freedom, to outright sedition it'd proably be too late.

BTW random thought, reading what you're written, Narsi sounds an aweful lot like a "prettified version of Tzeetch" if you wanna toss a standard 40k "Grim dark twist!" in it. play that up, lay in some subtle hints that maybe just MAYBE this is some elaborate long con from Tzeetch, doesn't have to do anything specific, stuff like using the number 9, having psykers be prominant etc. I'm not saying "say Narsi is Tzeetch". DON'T say that (saying it's boring) just throw in eneugh signs that people who read the text smile and go "oooh, this is all as planned"

Perhaps narsi could be a fragment of tzeetch which rebelled against him it could explain it
like this theory video theorizes khaine is linked to khorne
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz-2lmrqNiY
also good point with the freedom of speech thing
additionally

Taffy17 wrote:
The god sounds like Cegorac the eldar laughing god,

Could the Harlequins be at the centre of all of this? have they seen colourful visions while battling eldar?

Also the whole schizophrenic ultra violent thing was more of a nurture over nature thing. The gene seed gave them some kind of thermal vision and a piercing scream. The torture thing comes from an exaggerated obsession with vigilante justice and order through fear which descended into killing and torturing people for kicks.

he could have a point there too
also i've gotten rid the idea of the outcasts being narsi's daemons

Just a heads up i may need help making character ive made one so far an outcast known as naoki

naoki the curseblood wrote:
Just a heads up i may need help making character ive made one so far an outcast known as naoki

Cool.

Also I can't find the units you've created in your latest codex attachment, care to post your newest version?

 mrhappyface wrote:

naoki the curseblood wrote:
Just a heads up i may need help making character ive made one so far an outcast known as naoki

Cool.

Also I can't find the units you've created in your latest codex attachment, care to post your newest version?

I intend to
in fact here it is now
please give me some advice if they need improvements