SideshowLucifer wrote:
That they got the -1, but RAW doesn't support that. I have no idea what their intent is at this point.

Grimdakka wrote:
Has anyone been able to find any official clarification on this?

 Idolator wrote:

 yakface wrote:

 Idolator wrote:
1. Your example doesn't work, because it is forbidden. A model cannot embark and disembark in the same turn. What you stated would require an embarkation and disembarkation in the same turn.

2. You are ascribing the term "BENEFIT" to the Battlewagons ability. Then categorizing this term that you introduced yourself as something different than a modifier. Since it was you that introduced term and not the rule book, this statement may be ignored completely.

3. PG 175 (Right margin) clearly states that " You may encounter ABILITIES and RULES that MODIFY a characteristic." Since this is clearly an ability ( in the abilities list, no less) that modifies an existing rule, then it is passed on to the occupants.

You are right that there isn't anything defined in the game as a 'benefit' but at the same time it is clear that the Mobile Fortress ability isn't, strictly speaking a modifier either, as it doesn't actually modify anything, it just allows the Battlewagon to ignore an existing modifier.

I don't know why everyone is continuing to argue about this because there is obviously no possible resolution. Both sides have a pretty strong case and this is 100% a candidate for something that needs to be FAQ'd, especially as it would be nice to know if pretty much any ability that applies to a transport's shooting (including all benefits) is supposed to also apply its occupants as well (like if the vehicle is getting a re-roll for being within range of an aura, does that pass onto the passengers too?).

An Aura Effect that gives a restriction or modifier would indeed pass on to the passengers if it is open topped. It states so directly in the "open topped" ability.

The rules for passengers in the main rule book states. "Embarked units cannot normally do anything OR BE AFFECTED IN ANY WAY whilst they are embarked. Unless specifically stated, abilities that effect other units within a certain range has no affect whilst that unit that has that ability is embarked."

The "Open Topped" ability is the only rule that I'm aware of that allows embarked units to gain modifiers from the vehicle. Since the Heavy Weapon modifier is ignored (not, applied then ignored) it does not apply to the transport and cannot be applied to the unit embarked.

What several people seem to be insisting in this thread is just that. That they apply it to the transport first, then ignore it's application to the transport, then pass it onto the embarked unit. They are adding a step that is not in the rules.

FAQ wrote:Q. The Ork Battlewagon’s Mobile Fortress ability says the
Battlewagon ‘ignores the penalty for moving and firing Heavy
weapons’. Its Open-topped ability says that ‘restrictions and
modifiers that apply to this model also apply to its passengers’.
Does that mean that a unit embarked also ignores the penalty
for firing Heavy weapons if the battlewagon has moved?
A. No.

fe40k wrote:
As usual, Orks/Xenos get fethed over for no reason other than not being Space Marines/Imperial units.

Is Ork shooting really THAT deadly that you can't let them have one decent thing?

Feth GW; good thing I didn't get too invested in this edition anyways - I had high hopes for Xenos in 8th; I don't know why though, I expected this FAQ ruling 100% anyways.