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avoiding the lorax on Crion

 TheLumberJack wrote:
 jhe90 wrote:
Chaos eldar be cool.

Highly powerful squishy psykers who rely heavily on buffs and will be hurt hard if a hot does make it through.

Powerful in one sense. Squishy in others.


Kinda like ynnari? Psykers and heavy damage from eldar and dark eldar but super squishy


Yeah heavy damage and say psi protection etc so higher invul than armour save. T3. Not high tough.
But also utterly vulnerable to say a cluxus etc.

They hit hard but if anti psy or the invul fails its gonna be bad.
They would have tp be used carefully to be effective like say a good anti ranged save but vunrablein CC.
They would need to be used alongside the other chaos units in a combined stratagy.

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The blurb from the next Aeldari-centered piece of fiction possibly hints at what this new Eldar faction could be:

When the long-lost Craftworld Ziasuthra reappears, Iyanna Arienal and Yvraine of the Ynnari lead an expedition to it in hope of retrieving the last cronesword. But why has the craftworld returned now, and can its inhabitants be trusted?


Book is out in October: http://www.blacklibrary.com/coming-soon/october/ghost-warrior-rise-of-the-ynnari-ebook.html
   
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Agiel wrote:
The blurb from the next Aeldari-centered piece of fiction possibly hints at what this new Eldar faction could be:

When the long-lost Craftworld Ziasuthra reappears, Iyanna Arienal and Yvraine of the Ynnari lead an expedition to it in hope of retrieving the last cronesword. But why has the craftworld returned now, and can its inhabitants be trusted?


Book is out in October: http://www.blacklibrary.com/coming-soon/october/ghost-warrior-rise-of-the-ynnari-ebook.html

That sounds like discount Altansar so I'll expect another boring twist.

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pm713 wrote:
Agiel wrote:
The blurb from the next Aeldari-centered piece of fiction possibly hints at what this new Eldar faction could be:

When the long-lost Craftworld Ziasuthra reappears, Iyanna Arienal and Yvraine of the Ynnari lead an expedition to it in hope of retrieving the last cronesword. But why has the craftworld returned now, and can its inhabitants be trusted?


Book is out in October: http://www.blacklibrary.com/coming-soon/october/ghost-warrior-rise-of-the-ynnari-ebook.html

That sounds like discount Altansar so I'll expect another boring twist.


I hope they do something more interesting than that...

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Unless GW change things or actually want to awaken Ynnead, I suspect Yvraine will fail to get the cronesword. The last cronesword is like the McGuffin of some old children's cartoon shows and plot ensures it is always just out of reach or acquired but then lost before it can be used. I see it is also written by Gav Thorpe.

Incidentally he has been doing a lot of Eldar Q&A on his website, with the latest round just up:
https://gavthorpe.co.uk/2017/07/05/eldar-qa-part-three/

While I may disagree with him on certain background points and on timeline/continuity, I appreciate him taking the time to give responses.

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Neat lots of interesting things in those three interviews.

I agree with you on the post-scarcity thing. I can see it being post-currency, but certainly not post-scarcity. The Eldar are at war, and massively outnumbered. The principle resources they lack are time and population.

I like his categorisation of the Eldar Empire as the 'Eldar Dominion'. It absolutely fits the idea of a powerful post-scarcity hegemony that has evolved beyond the need for social structures such as 'emperors'.

Check out may pan-Eldar projects http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/702683.page

Also my Rogue Trader-esque spaceport factions http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/709686.page

Oh, and I've come up with a semi-expanded Shadow War idea and need some feedback! https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/726439.page

Lastly I contribute to a blog too! http://objectivesecured.blogspot.co.uk/ Check it out! It's not just me  
   
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 Ynneadwraith wrote:
Neat lots of interesting things in those three interviews.

I agree with you on the post-scarcity thing. I can see it being post-currency, but certainly not post-scarcity. The Eldar are at war, and massively outnumbered. The principle resources they lack are time and population.

I like his categorisation of the Eldar Empire as the 'Eldar Dominion'. It absolutely fits the idea of a powerful post-scarcity hegemony that has evolved beyond the need for social structures such as 'emperors'.


There has never been a clear description of how the old Eldar Empire was ruled or run. The only vague reference we get is from the first revamped Dark Eldar Codex where it made mention of Commorragh being outside of the jurisdiction of the great Eldar councils. It could be there was no singular head of state and it was an oligarchy of different councils with different spatial or functional jurisdictions.

And yes, on the post-scarcity issue which I think Gav Thorpe has not really given a response on. Even if there is matter printing or Bonesinger matter conjuring, the time limitation effectively creates scarcity of sorts. Even if anyone can order up a 3D printed Ferrari, there is the issue of who gets their order completed first? If someone wants 100, do they get the entire 100 finished first before anyone else gets any? If so this imposes scarcity on those forced to wait. Or does the person get 1 then have to wait til it is their turn again? In that case, there is limitation of the fulfillment of that person's desire to have 100, which is also a kind of scarcity.

There is also the unique intangible value attached to certain goods due to the method of manufacture or location of its raw materials. A chair made of wood from a particular legendary forest might be valued more than a functionally identical wooden chair made from wood from elsewhere. Sort of like how marketing and hype has created seemingly ludicrous distinctions like sea salt harvested under the light of the full moon being priced more than sea salt. I could see similar such fine distinctions existing among the Eldar, given their drive towards obsessiveness, and therefore scarcity is created again (only a limited amount of wood from the legendary forest exists to be harvested for example).

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Iracundus wrote:
 Ynneadwraith wrote:
Neat lots of interesting things in those three interviews.

I agree with you on the post-scarcity thing. I can see it being post-currency, but certainly not post-scarcity. The Eldar are at war, and massively outnumbered. The principle resources they lack are time and population.

I like his categorisation of the Eldar Empire as the 'Eldar Dominion'. It absolutely fits the idea of a powerful post-scarcity hegemony that has evolved beyond the need for social structures such as 'emperors'.


There has never been a clear description of how the old Eldar Empire was ruled or run. The only vague reference we get is from the first revamped Dark Eldar Codex where it made mention of Commorragh being outside of the jurisdiction of the great Eldar councils. It could be there was no singular head of state and it was an oligarchy of different councils with different spatial or functional jurisdictions.

And yes, on the post-scarcity issue which I think Gav Thorpe has not really given a response on. Even if there is matter printing or Bonesinger matter conjuring, the time limitation effectively creates scarcity of sorts. Even if anyone can order up a 3D printed Ferrari, there is the issue of who gets their order completed first? If someone wants 100, do they get the entire 100 finished first before anyone else gets any? If so this imposes scarcity on those forced to wait. Or does the person get 1 then have to wait til it is their turn again? In that case, there is limitation of the fulfillment of that person's desire to have 100, which is also a kind of scarcity.

There is also the unique intangible value attached to certain goods due to the method of manufacture or location of its raw materials. A chair made of wood from a particular legendary forest might be valued more than a functionally identical wooden chair made from wood from elsewhere. Sort of like how marketing and hype has created seemingly ludicrous distinctions like sea salt harvested under the light of the full moon being priced more than sea salt. I could see similar such fine distinctions existing among the Eldar, given their drive towards obsessiveness, and therefore scarcity is created again (only a limited amount of wood from the legendary forest exists to be harvested for example).


Agreed. The Eldar's scarcity is the scarcity of Eldar. From what I've seen they do not have automation. Yes individual Eldar are able to conjure or construct their technology without limit to resources, but there's only a finite (small) number of Eldar to do it.

On an individual level they may be post-scarcity. On a galactic level they are practically famished.

Also, very good point about the worth of intangibles. Dragon meat from a Craftworld may be completely indistinguishable from dragon meat from an exodite world, but simply by dint of the latter being harder to procure it is more 'valuable' (desirable would be a better term for it).

I wonder if the Eldar Dominion functioned similarly to Minds in Ian M Banks' Culture. No real formal jurisdiction or rank, and no real formal organisations. However, there are multiple groups who communicate (councils) and persuade each other to act in certain ways. If an Eldar that is respected asks you to do something there's no legal obligation to actually do it, but the respect they carry should be enough to sway your opinion about whether you do it or not.

That would fit both Gav's vision of the Eldar Empire and the tiny little tidbit of information we have about how Eldar society worked.

P.S. Yes I've just finished reading Excession...

Check out may pan-Eldar projects http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/702683.page

Also my Rogue Trader-esque spaceport factions http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/709686.page

Oh, and I've come up with a semi-expanded Shadow War idea and need some feedback! https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/726439.page

Lastly I contribute to a blog too! http://objectivesecured.blogspot.co.uk/ Check it out! It's not just me  
   
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There does seem to have been some form of jurisdiction though given that the Dark Eldar Codex said Commorragh was specifically outside any one council's jurisdiction (and therefore became a free-for all no morals apply zone), and it stayed that way due to its importance as the most important webway trading port. So there seems to have been some form of politicking in the old Eldar Empire, enough for no council being able to establish influence over Commorragh.
   
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'Jurisdiction' in this case could mean little more than 'no-one in commorragh respected what the other councils were asking of them'.

I essence, it's what you get when you boil everything down until there is only politicking. No political structures of 'if someone's in the White House you have to do what they say'. Only whether someone is respected enough to pay attention to what they're saying and perhaps decide that you'll do that too.

If the entire society has at least a modicum of respect for everyone else so will consider what they're saying, it's easy for Commorragh to split off by just holding no respect for what anyone else is saying (and difficult for the rest of the Empire/Dominion to prevent them from doing that).

Check out may pan-Eldar projects http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/702683.page

Also my Rogue Trader-esque spaceport factions http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/709686.page

Oh, and I've come up with a semi-expanded Shadow War idea and need some feedback! https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/726439.page

Lastly I contribute to a blog too! http://objectivesecured.blogspot.co.uk/ Check it out! It's not just me  
   
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I don't have anything of substance to add here, but thanks guys, this is a great read.

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