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See, I really liked TFA, but loved Rogue One.

Litmus test for me? I can genuinely see TFA as the film to get a new, much younger legion of fans as mental about Star Wars as wot I am. And I couldn't say that about the Prequels.

   
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To be fair, speaking as someone who grew up with the Prequels, they definitely did have that influence, because at the time people my age were too young to realise they weren't great films. It was cool that Maul had a double ended lightsaber and awesome that AotC's final third was a few dozen Jedi vs a few hundred battle droids and epic that Anakin and Obi-wan dueled at insane speed while Yoda and Sidious did the same... That was all it took to get 5-8 year old me and my friends fired up about Star Wars.

However, I can't now go back and watch them as the flaws become obvious (and because now there are people I engage with that aren't the handful of kids in the corner of the playground who were as convinced of the movies' 'excellence' as I was! ). I owe pretty much my entire childhood to those films but won't pretend they're good. What's great about TFA is that it can do that for a new generation of kids, but they'll still be able to enjoy it 5, 10 years later in a way that us Prequel Kids can't.

I remember when I left the cinema after TFA seeing a couple of kids who can't have been more than about 5, dressed as Luke and Leia and waving about toy sabers, and being so happy for them that thanks to the new movies, they'd have the same magic in their childhood that the prequels put into mine, but hopefully something that could last beyond that as well which the prequels just don't.

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TFA was better than the prequels. I'll give it that much. But it was far too obviously a rehash of ANH to be any good otherwise. Nobody in the lineup stuck in my mind afterwards.
R1 on the other hand, I really liked. It told a story that people have been wanting to know for decades, and told it well.
   
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her name was Ray?

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Been a SW fan for decades. Never cared about the story of how the Rebellion stole the Death Star plans. Not just because I personally, individually don't care. Rather, because it doesn't actually matter to the story of Star Wars. That said, the premise is not inherently bad. The execution was bad. As Azrael13 mentioned, although not in so many words, R1 is ultimately a story about sacrifice - but the characters are so hastily sketched and the mechanics of the plot are so artlessly contrived that their sacrifice has no emotional resonance. This was so apparent to the nervous corporation that the last moments of the movie were modified so as to completely abandon anything to do with the story of those characters in favor of grotesque "up to 11" references to Darth Vader and Princess Leia.

TFA was even more conservative and played up the references to the safe, beloved OT with breathtaking awkwardness. However, where it offered new things, those things tended to be fun and engaging, which is what a space opera adventure should be doing. By contrast, what was new in R1 was generally very poor and most people appear to gravitate to the various OT references.

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Vancouver, BC

I dunno, a movie with Obi Wan quietly protecting Luke from the shadows might not be half bad. Got Tuscan Raiders, Jabba the
Hutt, the generic critters in the dunes...

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Like Phantom Menace!

   
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Frankly an Obi-Wan Movie is the only thing I really want. I honestly didn't even really want an Episode 7-9 (unless it was the Thrawn Trilogy that is...I guess re-written to account for the fact 30 years had passed)

Obi-Wan movie...oh man I'm getting hype! Unless Ewan McGregor isn't in it. Then booo!

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I wish the 'off' Star Wars movies were completely original. Like nothing to do with the main characters/plots. And maybe experiment with different genres. I'd love a Western set on Tatooine about a man and his droid defending his moisture farm from Bantha ranchers.

A Fistful of Credits or something.

Maybe a lighthearted RomCom taking place on Bespin. Ten Things I Hate About Cloud Cities.

A slasher flick set on Naboo called I Know What You Did Before The Battle Of Yavin.
   
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Devon, UK

http://nerdist.com/star-wars-films-need-to-show-us-something-new-soon/

The public’s general love of Star Wars after the prequels was at an all-time low. I sold all of my DVDs; I was done with it. I didn’t need any more half baked stories about characters I once loved. Of course, by the time The Force Awakens “began to put things right,” I had warmed back up to the iconic franchise like everyone else and was ecstatic to have another great in-canon film, an A New Hope for a new generation. But in the midst of the biggest Star Wars renaissance ever, I am beginning to worry that we’ll never see anything new again, that history will repeat itself. I hope that Star Wars learns to take risks, and trust that an audience will follow.

The recent announcement of an Obi-Wan Kenobi movie was something I’d hoped for; Ewan McGregor was the one saving grace in the prequels and to see him older, assaying the role again in perhaps a good film, is a really fun prospect. But new reports say that Lucasfilm is developing standalone movies for Boba Fett, young Yoda, and even (unconfirmed) one-note villain Jabba the Hutt. It makes you wonder if Disney doesn’t have faith in creating new stories in the Star Wars universe. Hiding behind existing I.P. is safer after all.

For as good as The Force Awakens is, and as compelling as Rey, Finn, and Poe Dameron are as heroes, the movie was incredibly beholden to what came before, from being joined at the hip to the original characters to even the basic plot structure. That’s fine for one movie; reestablish what people love about the franchise, and move forward. We obviously haven’t seen The Last Jedi yet, but after Rogue One‘s new characters were incredibly underwritten, and the next rash of spin-off films focusing solely on characters we’ve already met in the original trilogy, we’re not confident Rian Johnson’s film won’t just be like The Empire Strikes Back with different ships and planets.

The only property actively creating new characters within the existing universe is Star Wars Rebels, Disney XD’s excellent animated series. While Darth Vader, Princess Leia, Lando, Grand Moff Tarkin, and other known characters have appeared in the show in various levels of importance, they mostly came later on, after the brand new crew had been established. Sure, there was a Jedi and a Padawan, and a Mandalorian, and a sassy droid, but they were all new, and they approached the Rebellion in an entirely different way. They could interact with the old, established characters without forfeiting the spotlight.

A young Han Solo movie on the other hand, risks being hollow nostalgia. He was an amoral guy who became a hero in the course of his initial film appearance. That’s his arc. To go before his arc is to just watch him be less than the character we sympathize with. Yoda is a mentor; that’s his function. He’s already had a prequel trilogy where he was still a million years old but fought with a lightsaber. And Boba Fett and Jabba the Hutt? Why? Just because we’ve heard of them? Obi-Wan has the only potential to do something even slightly different–a hero in hiding still trying to do good–and his story would be better served by movies that enhanced the Star Wars universe, not just filled in backstory.

If Disney wants to capitalize on characters we’ve already seen, why not give us a movie about people in Maz Kanada’s speakeasy, or Poe Dameron’s origin in the early days of the Resistance, or some noteworthy Clone Wars or Rebels characters? Certainly it’s because none of those characters have the kind of decades-long name recognition that Disney probably thinks it needs to ensure a certain box office take. But that shallow of a business and marketing plan underestimates its audience’s imagination and/or their own ability to meaningfully expand their most beloved universe.

Focusing on existing properties is a company-wide strategy for Disney (and virtually every big studio), which continues to make live-action versions of all of its classic animated films. But reinterpretation is not the same as shallowly mining the side characters and villains from the original movies. You’re Disney. You bought Lucasfilm. You have the ability to make actual additions to the most inconic universe of all time. Stop just making big budget fan fiction. Our imaginations are bigger than your budget.

For more about Star Wars, check out info about the new Captain Phasma novel, a theory about why Porgs might be the key to The Last Jedi, and keeping General Leia’s legacy alive.


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 Bromsy wrote:
I wish the 'off' Star Wars movies were completely original. Like nothing to do with the main characters/plots. And maybe experiment with different genres. I'd love a Western set on Tatooine about a man and his droid defending his moisture farm from Bantha ranchers.

A Fistful of Credits or something.

Maybe a lighthearted RomCom taking place on Bespin. Ten Things I Hate About Cloud Cities.

A slasher flick set on Naboo called I Know What You Did Before The Battle Of Yavin.
brilliance!

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Obi-Wan is one of the 2 best Jedi characters ever. And Ewan McGregor plays him wonderfully.

This could be a really good opportunity to show a less epic, but still impactful, story in the SW universe. Possibly showing Luke in some real danger (that he never knew about) that Obi-Wan protects him from and discovers that Luke is the 'chosen one', not Anakin.
It doesn't even have to occur entirely on Tattooine, although spending the whole movie on the same planet would be something new for Star Wars.

I'm exceted for this and whether you think the story is "needed" or not, it is 'wanted' by enough people (including E McG himself) that the movie should happen regardless.

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 welshhoppo wrote:
I mean if we go with post 3 Obi Wan, he's just a hermit in a desert.


If we go with early Obi Wan, then we might have an Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom remake with lightsabers.

You have a good point. Young obi could we awesome....one problem though - the characters would have to be totally CGI or look alikes. Liam Is old as dirt.

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 Galef wrote:
Obi-Wan is one of the 2 best Jedi characters ever. And Ewan McGregor plays him wonderfully.

This could be a really good opportunity to show a less epic, but still impactful, story in the SW universe. Possibly showing Luke in some real danger (that he never knew about) that Obi-Wan protects him from and discovers that Luke is the 'chosen one', not Anakin.
It doesn't even have to occur entirely on Tattooine, although spending the whole movie on the same planet would be something new for Star Wars.

I'm exceted for this and whether you think the story is "needed" or not, it is 'wanted' by enough people (including E McG himself) that the movie should happen regardless.

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And make Obi-Wan a bit paranoid (maybe he thinks Vader can sense him or other Jedi because of some badly scrambled message he received from Yoda) so he doesn't force twirl himself to a victory but has to work without using (most of) his powers and even try to not use his lightsaber.
   
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I could go for an Obi-Wan lead Magnificent Seven?

   
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Dallas area, TX

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I could go for an Obi-Wan lead Magnificent Seven?

That would certainly pay homage to some of the original movies that inspired Star Wars

I also like the idea of Obi-wan needing to reserve his powers to avoid being discovered.
Then again, he apparently had no issue whipping out his light saber in full view of a full cantina in Ep.IV

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 Azreal13 wrote:
Agreed.

I just didn't care about what happened to them, and that robbed the whole movie of much of its impact.


I liked the robot and the wanabee Jedi myself

God help us - A Yoda movie - presume subtitled - Coward who runs and hides at the first sign of trouble.

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