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For the GT side, the top 10 comprised 2 GK, 3 Chaos, and 5 Imperial lists.

I would like to see Ynnari or Quins and SOB if anyone can. (If not i understand not to big of a deal)

GhostRecon wrote:
For the GT side, the top 10 comprised 2 GK, 3 Chaos, and 5 Imperial lists.

I don't believe those were truly GK lists, but instead had a small detachment of them. One of the lists was this:
Tyler Devries

Patrol detachment

170 grand master- terminator psylencer, soul glave (warlord) (first to the fray)
214 x10 strikes, x8 storm bolters, x8 falchions, x2 psilencers
214 x10 strikes, x8 storm bolters, x8 falchions, x2 psilencers
113 x5 purgation squad, x1 falchion, x4 psilencers

Brigade detachment

45 elysian commander, plasma pistol
40 elysian commander, krak gernads
40 elysian commander, krak gernads
58 elysian command squad, x4 plasma guns
58 elysian command squad, x4 plasma guns
58 elysian command squad, x4 plasma guns
21 x3 elysian sniper teams, x1 sniper rifle
21 x3 elysian sniper teams, x1 sniper rifle
21 x3 elysian sniper teams, x1 sniper rifle
21 x3 elysian sniper teams, x1 sniper rifle
21 x3 elysian sniper teams, x1 sniper rifle
50 x10 elysian guard, krak gernads
50 x10 elysian guard, krak gernads
50 x10 elysian guard, krak gernads
107 x5 strikes, x4 storm bolters, x4 falchions, x1 psilencer
107 x5 strikes, x4 storm bolters, x4 falchions, x1 psilencer
107 x5 strikes, x4 storm bolters, x4 falchions, x1 psilencer
27 x3 heavy weapon team, x3 mortars
27 x3 heavy weapon team, x3 mortars
27 x3 heavy weapon team, x3 mortars
15 cyber wolf
15 cyber wolf
15 cyber wolf

Spearhead detachment

150 celestine
27 x3 heavy weapon team, x3 mortars
27 x3 heavy weapon team, x3 mortars
27 x3 heavy weapon team, x3 mortars
27 x3 heavy weapon team, x3 mortars
15 x1 astropath
15 x1 astropath

I imagine the other one followed the same broad outline of minimal GK with imperium allies. Here (https://mismatchedplay.com/2017/08/31/nova-invitational-lists) are some of the other lists used during the Invitational. You can watch some of the invitational and open games, including one of the semis and the final for the open, from Mismatched Play's twitch (http://www.twitch.tv/mismatchedplay).

Me: Ohh, yay! Maybe Grey Knights are viable in a tournament.

Me 5 minutes later: Oh, it was only 400 points of GK with guard spam as the rest.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
I would like to see Ynnari or Quins and SOB if anyone can. (If not i understand not to big of a deal)

We've only got two lists so far. Just exercise a little patience.

The Harlequin/Ynnari list was kind of neat, had a non-spam mix of all 4 Eldar factions.

Battalion

Shadowseer
Troupe Master – embrace/fusion pistol
Troupe Master – embrace/fusion pistol
2×5 Troupes – 5 embraces/4 fusion pistols
2×5 Troupes – 5 embraces
Solitaire
4x Starweavers

Spearhead

Yncarne – Warlord
2×3 Razorwing flocks
2x Warwalkers – double bright lances
1x Warwalker – double shuriken cannon

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
I would like to see Ynnari or Quins and SOB if anyone can. (If not i understand not to big of a deal)

We've only got two lists so far. Just exercise a little patience.

I was there and used to be able to see the lists on my phone (app shut them off now). I don't recall any highly placed GK list actually being heavy GK. A hair over 50% tops and they were always paired with AM till you got to the lower rankings.

Anyone with the world eaters list?

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
Me: Ohh, yay! Maybe Grey Knights are viable in a tournament.

Me 5 minutes later: Oh, it was only 400 points of GK with guard spam as the rest.

Closer to like 800. That's not bad at all.

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
The Harlequin/Ynnari list was kind of neat, had a non-spam mix of all 4 Eldar factions.

Battalion

Shadowseer
Troupe Master – embrace/fusion pistol
Troupe Master – embrace/fusion pistol
2×5 Troupes – 5 embraces/4 fusion pistols
2×5 Troupes – 5 embraces
Solitaire
4x Starweavers

Spearhead

Yncarne – Warlord
2×3 Razorwing flocks
2x Warwalkers – double bright lances
1x Warwalker – double shuriken cannon

TYVM!

The War Walkers are a bit different, Quins need AT, im guessing its the cheapest/hardest to kill ratio.

Very close ot how i play mine 4 troup units 2 FP each and Embraces with 2x3 RWF, but i use 2 Ravagers for Long range AT, afc i use solitaire and shadowseers/troupe masters.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
Me: Ohh, yay! Maybe Grey Knights are viable in a tournament.

Me 5 minutes later: Oh, it was only 400 points of GK with guard spam as the rest.

Closer to like 800. That's not bad at all.

Apparently I can't math. 170+214+214+113= 711.

So it's 1/3 GK? Still, probably would be more accurate to label it as something else.

HuskyWarhammer wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
Me: Ohh, yay! Maybe Grey Knights are viable in a tournament.

Me 5 minutes later: Oh, it was only 400 points of GK with guard spam as the rest.

Closer to like 800. That's not bad at all.

Apparently I can't math. 170+214+214+113= 711.

So it's 1/3 GK? Still, probably would be more accurate to label it as something else.

Or read! You're missing three 107pt strike squads too. So ~half of the army was GK.

GhostRecon wrote:

HuskyWarhammer wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
Me: Ohh, yay! Maybe Grey Knights are viable in a tournament.

Me 5 minutes later: Oh, it was only 400 points of GK with guard spam as the rest.

Closer to like 800. That's not bad at all.

Apparently I can't math. 170+214+214+113= 711.

So it's 1/3 GK? Still, probably would be more accurate to label it as something else.

Or read! You're missing three 107pt strike squads too. So ~half of the army was GK.

Apparently. I need more coffee, clearly.

What about the #3 list and #4 list? Both were AM but what did they run?

HuskyWarhammer wrote:

GhostRecon wrote:

HuskyWarhammer wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
Me: Ohh, yay! Maybe Grey Knights are viable in a tournament.

Me 5 minutes later: Oh, it was only 400 points of GK with guard spam as the rest.

Closer to like 800. That's not bad at all.

Apparently I can't math. 170+214+214+113= 711.

So it's 1/3 GK? Still, probably would be more accurate to label it as something else.

Or read! You're missing three 107pt strike squads too. So ~half of the army was GK.

Apparently. I need more coffee, clearly.

Still, I didnt even check the two GK lists... the other one is similar in that it isnt a full GK list.

GhostRecon wrote:
Orks had a list that finished 9th; otherwise the top 10 is littered with Imperial/Chaos Soup armies largely favoring Elysians, Conscripts, Cultists, and aura-Special Character spam.

Where do you see this because their website lists orks as like 38th not 9th. the 9th list on there is Daemons.


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Side note: I would love to know what he used to place that high. I am guessing Boyz/Stormboyz spam with some heavy Psyker presence.

SemperMortis wrote:

GhostRecon wrote:
Orks had a list that finished 9th; otherwise the top 10 is littered with Imperial/Chaos Soup armies largely favoring Elysians, Conscripts, Cultists, and aura-Special Character spam.

Where do you see this because their website lists orks as like 38th not 9th. the 9th list on there is Daemons.


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Side note: I would love to know what he used to place that high. I am guessing Boyz/Stormboyz spam with some heavy Psyker presence.

That was from NOVA's Invitational side. And right on the money:

https://mismatchedplay.com/2017/08/31/nova-invitational-lists/

Saw this in another thread. The lists correspond with the ones already shown, you can kind of piece together what everyone brought.

Nick Nanavati brought the list I wish I could, if I was a spammer.

Why are the Elysian so strong ? Deep striking, msu and special weapons ?

 godardc wrote:
Why are the Elysian so strong ? Deep striking, msu and special weapons ?

Only cost 1pt more than regular Guardsman to get non-faction/Detachment specific deep-strike with easy to spam MSU w/Special Weapons (Command squads, Special Weapon Squads, and Sniper Teams).

It seems that all the top lists makes use of forge world.

 xeen wrote:
It seems that all the top lists makes use of forge world.

?

I mean, you are right I'm just not sure why you mentioned it. It'd be weird if the best lists could ignore an entire book's worth of models and options for their faction and still do well.

SilverAlien wrote:

 xeen wrote:
It seems that all the top lists makes use of forge world.

?

I mean, you are right I'm just not sure why you mentioned it. It'd be weird if the best lists could ignore an entire book's worth of models and options for their faction and still do well.

I mention it because I feel forge world rules are pretty broken for a lot of units. So really to compete you need them.

 xeen wrote:

SilverAlien wrote:

 xeen wrote:
It seems that all the top lists makes use of forge world.

?

I mean, you are right I'm just not sure why you mentioned it. It'd be weird if the best lists could ignore an entire book's worth of models and options for their faction and still do well.

I mention it because I feel forge world rules are pretty broken for a lot of units. So really to compete you need them.

Up goes the Peregrine signal once more.

The bulk of the craziness is and almost always has been GW rules. There have always been some exceptions and edge cases where FW stuff is undercosted but the far more egregious offenses have come from the other side of the aisle (which still baffles me why they keep this division at all both in rules writing and sales channels)

 Eldarain wrote:

 xeen wrote:

SilverAlien wrote:

 xeen wrote:
It seems that all the top lists makes use of forge world.

?

I mean, you are right I'm just not sure why you mentioned it. It'd be weird if the best lists could ignore an entire book's worth of models and options for their faction and still do well.

I mention it because I feel forge world rules are pretty broken for a lot of units. So really to compete you need them.

Up goes the Peregrine signal once more.

The bulk of the craziness is and almost always has been GW rules. There have always been some exceptions and edge cases where FW stuff is undercosted but the far more egregious offenses have come from the other side of the aisle (which still baffles me why they keep this division at all both in rules writing and sales channels)

There are a few egregious GW examples, and always will be in some form in a ruleset with this many intermixable factions. But essentially every list that's made the top 10 of these tournaments had abused the often undercosted options from FW. The top winner's list is a great example; sure, he could try spamming Scions instead of Elysians, but it is nowhere near as efficient or effective (particularly after GW killed Command Squad spam with their band-aid fix, and who knows what the Codex will bring) - but 12pts for a deep-striking plasma gun isn't anything to sneeze at, and having every Elysian squad get deep-strike for 1ppm is a huge boon in an edition with precision deep-strike.

GW's responsible for Conscripts, Girlyman, Magnus, Scions...

But FW is responsible for: Elysian spam, Vultures, Malefic lord spam, and cheap Earthshaker/Manticore spam that were observed in this tournament alone. FW has its fair share of imbalance - one of the only reasons we don't see more of it is due to the cost of the models.

 xeen wrote:

SilverAlien wrote:

 xeen wrote:
It seems that all the top lists makes use of forge world.

?

I mean, you are right I'm just not sure why you mentioned it. It'd be weird if the best lists could ignore an entire book's worth of models and options for their faction and still do well.

I mention it because I feel forge world rules are pretty broken for a lot of units. So really to compete you need them.

Dont say that to Corsair players, it will make them have a mental breakdown.

It's worth noting that my list for the Nova Open included ~1700 points of forgeworld models and only 300 points of GW models...

... and I was solidly middle-of-the-road, going 4-4.


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In fact, it might be worth it to see how many of the lists at the tournament in general had Forge World in them.

If 100% of all the lists that were played included Forge World, then it's no surprise that the top lists had Forge World, lol.

But FW is GW tho....

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
It's worth noting that my list for the Nova Open included ~1700 points of forgeworld models and only 300 points of GW models...

... and I was solidly middle-of-the-road, going 4-4.


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In fact, it might be worth it to see how many of the lists at the tournament in general had Forge World in them.

If 100% of all the lists that were played included Forge World, then it's no surprise that the top lists had Forge World, lol.

What was your list?

 Amishprn86 wrote:
But FW is GW tho....

Truth! To draw a distinction is silly. Even so, I will do so if only to indulge the haters.


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GhostRecon wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
It's worth noting that my list for the Nova Open included ~1700 points of forgeworld models and only 300 points of GW models...

... and I was solidly middle-of-the-road, going 4-4.


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In fact, it might be worth it to see how many of the lists at the tournament in general had Forge World in them.

If 100% of all the lists that were played included Forge World, then it's no surprise that the top lists had Forge World, lol.

What was your list?

3 Stormhammer tanks, a Trojan, a Salamander, 3 5 man Scion squads, 1 Tempestor Prime, 1 Primaris Psyker