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 BaconCatBug wrote:

Korbee11 wrote:
With the list given, my call would be.
No, the list isn't legal, as the Knights don't have a household.
Unless you're <Household> is actually Household. Then, completely legal.

Your call is objectively wrong. It's not legal due to using BROOD BROTHERS as a <REGIMENT>.

Eh. The amount of Damns I give in this particular situation is 0.
He gains nothing by calling them Brood Brothers. If it were any other Regiment it would be legal.

The list doesn't circumvent any Detachment inclusion rules, and it doesn't circumvent any aura or ability crap.

If he tells me 'Ya, this Company Commander and his 27 buddies are actually under the influence of a growing Genestealer Cult, and trying to get information about this Household of knights'
My response would be 'cool.'

So. Throw whatever rules you want at it, in this particular instance, it literally makes no difference.


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Sorry, following the tenants stuff.
I am going off the Designer Commentary that allows people to personalize their army. Sure, that would mean he would have to use [Brood Brotherz] but the intention is clearly stated that it is meant not to circumvent rules of abilities/detachment inclusion/stuff like that.
The moment the list tries to add something like a Taurox, then there would be an issue.

So you're answering a totally different question than the one was asked.

If I asked "Is it legal to include Rowboat in an Ork detachment", would you reply "Yes, as long as you don't take any orks"?

Korbee11 wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Korbee11 wrote:
With the list given, my call would be.
No, the list isn't legal, as the Knights don't have a household.
Unless you're <Household> is actually Household. Then, completely legal.

Your call is objectively wrong. It's not legal due to using BROOD BROTHERS as a <REGIMENT>.

Eh. The amount of Damns I give in this particular situation is 0.
He gains nothing by calling them Brood Brothers. If it were any other Regiment it would be legal.

The list doesn't circumvent any Detachment inclusion rules, and it doesn't circumvent any aura or ability crap.

If he tells me 'Ya, this Company Commander and his 27 buddies are actually under the influence of a growing Genestealer Cult, and trying to get information about this Household of knights'
My response would be 'cool.'

So. Throw whatever rules you want at it, in this particular instance, it literally makes no difference.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Sorry, following the tenants stuff.
I am going off the Designer Commentary that allows people to personalize their army. Sure, that would mean he would have to use [Brood Brotherz] but the intention is clearly stated that it is meant not to circumvent rules of abilities/detachment inclusion/stuff like that.
The moment the list tries to add something like a Taurox, then there would be an issue.

You are correct for Open or Narrative Play. Battle-forged or not, a Match Play army has no restrictions on which Keywords you use in the army overall.

For Matched Play, there are specific rules regarding Factions included in your army and specific rules for use the the Brood Brothers Keyword, which I quoted. You are not allowed to use Brood Brothers Keyword for Regiment unless your army except for an AM Detachment for which you also have a GCS Detachment. The sample army did not have a GSC detachment and was thus illegal for Matched Play.

 alextroy wrote:

Korbee11 wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Korbee11 wrote:
With the list given, my call would be.
No, the list isn't legal, as the Knights don't have a household.
Unless you're <Household> is actually Household. Then, completely legal.

Your call is objectively wrong. It's not legal due to using BROOD BROTHERS as a <REGIMENT>.

Eh. The amount of Damns I give in this particular situation is 0.
He gains nothing by calling them Brood Brothers. If it were any other Regiment it would be legal.

The list doesn't circumvent any Detachment inclusion rules, and it doesn't circumvent any aura or ability crap.

If he tells me 'Ya, this Company Commander and his 27 buddies are actually under the influence of a growing Genestealer Cult, and trying to get information about this Household of knights'
My response would be 'cool.'

So. Throw whatever rules you want at it, in this particular instance, it literally makes no difference.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Sorry, following the tenants stuff.
I am going off the Designer Commentary that allows people to personalize their army. Sure, that would mean he would have to use [Brood Brotherz] but the intention is clearly stated that it is meant not to circumvent rules of abilities/detachment inclusion/stuff like that.
The moment the list tries to add something like a Taurox, then there would be an issue.

You are correct for Open or Narrative Play. Battle-forged or not, a Match Play army has no restrictions on which Keywords you use in the army overall.

For Matched Play, there are specific rules regarding Factions included in your army and specific rules for use the the Brood Brothers Keyword, which I quoted. You are not allowed to use Brood Brothers Keyword for Regiment unless your army except for an AM Detachment for which you also have a GCS Detachment. The sample army did not have a GSC detachment and was thus illegal for Matched Play.

I like all quote include in this post! And better answer
In real life I wouldn’t do that anyway but it’s too good to miss out to clean up the confused about Faction keywords..
For someone wonder what my Hybrid faction called, its Cult of Secundus ( post-uprising GSC) and Guard of Secundus ( pre-uprising pure AM ) and the model is very blending of Cadia and hybrid. ( will put up a pic if someone want )

Too bad we don’t have Brood Brother datasheet yet, I am sure it will be in GSC codex. For Named Regiment “Brood Brothers”.

As far as this whole "Brood Brothers" situation is concerned, I would err on the negative side, at least in Matched Play.

Especially considering that you are aware of the fact that <Brood Brothers> is an actual keyword (so it's not meaningless, it's not like you've said <Brud Bruvvas>, it does have a meaning), and that <Brood Brothers> can only be obtained via having a GSC ally, and even if so, Knights wouldn't be able to be fielded too. You CAN have your Knights as <Brood Brothers>, because it can NEVER affect them.

It would be like me giving my Guardsmen the <Cadian> keyword, but saying "no, they have the Cadian KEYWORD, but their in game effects are Catachan." Because <Brood Brothers> IS an actual keyword that can apply to Guardsmen, it shouldn't be applied unless it's actually being used.

Call them "Cult Militia" and "Cult Questoris" to silence any complaints about the use of the exact term "Brood Brothers", and there's no issue.

As there are no actual GS Cult Detachments in the army presented, trying to say that a force comprised completely of Astra Militarum and Knights units is illegal is... well, silly.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Call them "Cult Militia" and "Cult Questoris" to silence any complaints about the use of the exact term "Brood Brothers", and there's no issue.

As there are no actual GS Cult Detachments in the army presented, trying to say that a force comprised completely of Astra Militarum and Knights units is illegal is... well, silly.

Again, this is fine. It's purely the fact that the initial question was about <Brood Brothers>, and that the only actual official use of <Brood Brothers> is as allies to a GSC.

Calling them by anything else (even the above, as JohnnyHell says, or even <Brood Brotherz> ) would be absolutely fine. Model them how you want, fluff it how you want, but in a matched game, the term <Brood Brothers> has a defined meaning and value to AM units.