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znelson wrote:I want a primarch for Aeldari...
Doesn't the Triumvirate cover that?

No... thats Ynnari, Eldar and Harlequins each literally has a God that is still around, Harlequins would be the coolest, Cegorach.
Dark Eldar should get Asdrubael Vect..... IDK we dont have him yet, we used too......

I'm desperately hope the Necrons get the Silent King. We know he's running around somewhere. It would add a lot to the fluff too

Vect better be coming back, and with a GOOD model. If they simply base his Dias on a Ravager platform again I would be severely let down. He needs something about 20% larger, and about 100% more pimpery. I think his theme should be about being the fastest moving "big guy" out there, with decent melee, and terrific shooting.

Eldar can have a buffed Avatar, although that seems a bit lame. Not really sure where else to go with them other than the Wraithknight.

Necron and Imperial Guard are set all ready.

Sisters of Battle......I've got nothing.

Orks, Grazgull and a stompa obviously

Nids, Swarmlord buffed-out, or another big beasty.

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

 znelson wrote:
I want a primarch for Aeldari...

and I really hope it ends up being the trojan horse Guilliman.

With the due respect, this would be soap-opera level writing.

It would also make much more sense than the current lore.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Sisters of Battle......I've got nothing.

Technically, there's the Celestine...

More fun would be a Baneblade body built for the Sisters with a heavy emphasis on Flamers Meltas with a Cannoness waiving an Eviscerator on top.

I honestly hope this doesn't turn into a primarch arms race for each faction to get their named super hero unit that stomps around the battlefield while further making the chaff units more and more irrelevant.

Eldar already have an Avatar of Khaine and Wriathknights.
Whether you think those are as "good" as the Primarchs is irrelevant. They fill the "Lord of War/ Monstrous HQ" roles respectively.
The Avatar just needs a better model and the WK needs a points decrease. Done

Harlequins do not need a large centerpiece model. The already have a Solitaire and they do not fight like other armies, so why force them into a cookie-cutter style?

Dark Eldar need Vect. On his Dias.....like as soon as their Codex drops....or GW is just missing out on a HUGE opportunity.

 Vankraken wrote:
I honestly hope this doesn't turn into a primarch arms race for each faction to get their named super hero unit that stomps around the battlefield while further making the chaff units more and more irrelevant.

I wholeheartedly agree!

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 Amishprn86 wrote:

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

 znelson wrote:
I want a primarch for Aeldari...

and I really hope it ends up being the trojan horse Guilliman.

With the due respect, this would be soap-opera level writing.

Cegorach would be an AMAZING LoW, seriously look at his fluff and the way he acts.

It would be like playing Deathnote Light vs L on the table lol.

Cegorach is a god. Next time what do you want on the table, Khorne?
This thing subtracts too much focus from the normal dudes. Is really bad.



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 Vankraken wrote:
I honestly hope this doesn't turn into a primarch arms race for each faction to get their named super hero unit that stomps around the battlefield while further making the chaff units more and more irrelevant.

It already is because either you have "fluff" enthusiasts that want the special character and the story to "advance", preferring a comic book to a setting, and the painters that will never have to move around to tourneys the centerpiece because it will stay home until perhaps shipped.

Apparently these people are the majority and here we have nu-40k.

 Purifier wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 Purifier wrote:
Ad Mech gets an Imperial Knight with Canticles of the Omnissiah if a tech priest is within 12 inches of it. So not a Primarch, but flesh is weak, all hail the machine god.

Cawl?

he is pretty important.

Im hoping everyone gets some cool thing like a primarch.

He doesn't hold a candle to the primarchs. He has a good aura that wants to stay with the shooting, and in a Mars army he has fantastic Canticle control. Then he's about a mid-level melee character. He can hold his own against any no-name character, but basically any other named character will mess him up. His survivability comes from self healing and other tech priests being able to heal him. So you've got a fairly decent melee champ that under no circumstances wants to get in melee range, with a 12" gun.

I think Cawl is a well balanced character, but he has no place in a conversation about primarch level stuff... A knight on the other hand has a chance against a primarch.

What about at the points.

say compared to girlyman. i dont have imperium 2.

I'm sure we'll see it one day...

Demogorgon, the Hive Queen
Primarch of the Tyranids

 Arkaine wrote:
I'm sure we'll see it one day...

Demogorgon, the Hive Queen
Primarch of the Tyranids

What the dominatrix ?

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

 znelson wrote:
I want a primarch for Aeldari...

and I really hope it ends up being the trojan horse Guilliman.

With the due respect, this would be soap-opera level writing.

Cegorach would be an AMAZING LoW, seriously look at his fluff and the way he acts.

It would be like playing Deathnote Light vs L on the table lol.

Cegorach is a god. Next time what do you want on the table, Khorne?
This thing subtracts too much focus from the normal dudes. Is really bad.



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 Vankraken wrote:
I honestly hope this doesn't turn into a primarch arms race for each faction to get their named super hero unit that stomps around the battlefield while further making the chaff units more and more irrelevant.

It already is because either you have "fluff" enthusiasts that want the special character and the story to "advance", preferring a comic book to a setting, and the painters that will never have to move around to tourneys the centerpiece because it will stay home until perhaps shipped.

Apparently these people are the majority and here we have nu-40k.

No he has puppets (they are actually Piñata's of him) that he throws into battles time to time. Just like the "Avatar" is fragments, so can his Piñata's be.

That would be cool, fun, and something for Harlequins.

Anyone expecting GW to treat the different factions with even a semblance of fairness is either new to GW or completely delusional. No there won't be a primarch for every faction some will got multiples other will get nothing and others will just lose models!

 Amishprn86 wrote:


No he has puppets (they are actually Piñata's of him) that he throws into battles time to time. Just like the "Avatar" is fragments, so can his Piñata's be.

That would be cool, fun, and something for Harlequins.

This sound reasonable to me, but it should be Avatar of Khaine level IMHO. Of course if you ask me, is because we should not have primarch-like models but eh.
Is a matter of taste and GW went in this direction. I hope the use will not become just mandatory.

While I don't necessarily think that each faction will receive a Primarch or equivalent, there is more than enough room for GW to develop units which fulfil roles along those lines for most factions but not all. The real questions are whether or not they should and also whether or not they could implement them in such a way which would avoid what equates to an arms race.

For me personally I think GW need to focus on refreshing their various product lines. As it stands there are a substantial number of models in circulation which simply haven't been touched for many years. A direct result of this has led to substantial variation in the quality of offered products and it has also led to significant loss of proportional scale between various models. It is important that this disparity is addressed to attain uniform standards of quality across the entire range, or as close as can be reasonably expected.

While I personally welcome the return of the daemon primarchs and hope to see more given they're still around with varying degrees of activity, some teams/factions simply wouldn't be able to accommodate such units. At least not without further advancements to the story, something I'm sure most of us would welcome.

I would argue that it would be easy enough to implement something for Tyranids given this could be done in a few different ways, either through a Lord of War level HQ or alternatively an Imperial Knight/Baneblade level bio-titan. Orks would be another relatively easy option as the longer an ork lives and the more it fights the stronger it becomes as such I can't think of any reason not to lift Ghazghkull Thraka to such a position.

For some factions this could be done by offering a modified/upgraded Lord of War already in their arsenal, an example of this could be a modified Baneblade with a named high level veteran officer or for the Tau this could take the form of a named veteran piloting a Stormsurge. Again, just as examples.

I guess what I'm trying to say amongst my bit of waffle, is that the options are there but I don't necessarily think that they would have to take the form of direct opposites/counter-parts to the Primarchs. There are always different approaches and these figureheads wouldn't all fulfil the role in the same way.

I'd like to see a super-assassin.

Even the base lime temple assassins are space marine captain level.

I want to see something to assassin which is as chapter master is to tactical marine.

After all, I think the gap between tactical marine and chapter master is close to that of captain to primarch.

A model for an Avatar of Cegorach, or a Great Harlequin, would be awesome. But I'm not optimistic.

nareik wrote:
I'd like to see a super-assassin.

Even the base lime temple assassins are space marine captain level.

I want to see something to assassin which is as chapter master is to tactical marine.

After all, I think the gap between tactical marine and chapter master is close to that of captain to primarch.

I think expanding the assassins line would be rediculous. Assassins are already diverse in abilities and a boon to which ever army they join. They are not, and should not be, a faction unto themselves and thus dont have any gaps that need filling.

No

In a word, no.

Each faction has its own fantasy that it exists to play out in a variety of ways. Imperial Guard has the "humans in over their heads but banding together" fantasy, where through leadership and courage they achieve the incredible despite incredible casualties. The Space Marine fantasy is that of the Hero archetype: an incredible warrior come to save the day through supreme mastery, skill, and equipment. The Chaos Space Marine fantasy is that of the antihero archetype: taking the mastery, skill, and equipment, and then using it for selfish ends. The Tau fantasy is of using technology, creativity, innovation, and diplomacy to defeat a superior foe.

The Primarch suits the Space Marine fantasy. Each Space Marine is a Hero archetype. As one progresses through the ranks of the Space Marines, they get progressively more heroic. As such, the Primarch is the ultimate Hero archetype. He's the Achilles or Hercules of Warhammer 40k. In turn, the Daemon Primarchs are the ultimate anti-hero archetype. So it makes sense that these be the centerpiece models for each army, as they embody everything the army strives to give you as a theme.

As an Imperial Guardsman, the 'primarch' mold is simply inappropriate. The whole point isn't of an extraordinary hero doing extraordinary things, it's ordinary men and women doing ordinary things in extraordinary circumstances. As a Tau warrior, the primarch is anathema to the concept that they embody. They are about unity through choice, not fear. They are about creative solutions, not stubborn brutality. So no, you'll never see a Tau 'primarch' because it simply will not fit their design paradigm.

Does that mean you won't get more centerpiece models? Absolutely not. Eldar don't fit the primarch archetype either, but they still have the Avatar of Ynnead. The Necrons don't fit the archetype either, but they still have the C'tan shards.

We'll definitely see more models that catch the eye in your army, but they simply won't be the same as primarchs. They really can't be. Either bigger or smaller scale, or a different concept altogether. GW has taken its blinders off and they're getting very creative, very fast. What if the new Tau centerpiece model is actually their new Space Pope (debatably the Stormsurge is already a pretty incredible center-piece model)? The Imperial Guard can get a new commander archetype in a completely different context to the modern commander.

I'd love to see more heroes on the battlefield myself and don't mind the primarch duel idea. I would just want to have named characters and not generic ones being that "primarch" thing instead of something like the Avatar.

For me the primarch of each faction should be someone who can unify the sub-factions of the army. Somebody to bring the party together.

Craftworld - I'd love to see Eldrad or Yriel take lead to guide the Craftworlds. If it has to be something new then an Autarch to unite the Craftworlds. I'd only go for the Avatar of Khaine if they'd expand upon its godly role in all of it. I find the Avatar to be way too passive(compared to Yncarne for example) to serve as a unique hero.

Drukhari - Vect or go home. I guess they could go for Vraesque(which seems to be the theme of the last Drukhari Codex), but Vect is the original bad boy. Plus I want a new Dais of Destruction god damn it!

Orks - Ghaz all the way.

Dark Angels - We'll get the Lion soon enough.

Tyranids: Swarmlord fits the bill well enough, but it would be nice to get something new and terrifying.

Ynnari - Visarch or Yvraine.

Tau - I'd love for Commander Farsight to unite the T'au. Could be a whole story around that.