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2017/09/27 18:18:14
Subject: The Ramifications of the New Kastelan Fluff
My hypothesis after reading that is that they have a cybernetica cortex, but down the road had a sort of collar installed in the form of the data card command system to bypass it for those without a cortex cotroller. In the age of darkness there were imperial robots known as paragons of metal which could operate freely without a cortex controller to direct their actions, bordering on sentiant. These hero kastallans could very well have the cybernetica cortex of a paragon of metal based on their behaviour.
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2017/09/27 18:38:48
Subject: The Ramifications of the New Kastelan Fluff
Its a bit like how Imperial Knights appear in system and disapear just as mysteriously.
At least Celestine and Legion of the Dmaned are warp based.
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Kastelan-class robots were around during the HH - they're in the novel 'Cybernetica'.
I like this bit of Kastelan fluff -
Spoiler:
‘Evaluation report ceta nine-gamma, decimus thirty-three. Subtle alterations to the Kastelans’ assault protocols produced unsatisfactory results, including an anomalous tendency for prolonged mutilation at the expense of efficiency. I shall continue my experimentation.’- Magos Xygrus Octelans
2017/09/27 18:48:53
Subject: The Ramifications of the New Kastelan Fluff
I can see groups of the things wandering around between warzones on a single world, as described above. I also find the idea that these robots have an independent means of interstellar travel unsatisfying.
Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!
Flinty wrote: I can see groups of the things wandering around between warzones on a single world, as described above. I also find the idea that these robots have an independent means of interstellar travel unsatisfying.
Rather than an independent method of interstellar travel i'm given to think that they basically just walk onto ships completely unannounced. Who's going to stop a 30ft tall war-robot after all?
My guess is that they are uniquely designed Robots made with a purpose more developed than the generic Kastelan Robots, hard-coded by their ancient creators to accomplish something more, and they'll strive to pursue these goals, even if they're impossible to complete, or if the code of their mission is incomplete or corrupted. The fact that they "allow" themselves to be controlled in certain occasions means they refuse to be controlled the rest of the time, which could be explained by reinforced security protocols set by their creators, impossible for the Datasmiths to breach. The times they are controllable are when a certain condition is met in the current situation, allowing the Robot to be controlled for a time. When this condition expires he regains full control of himself and goes on in eternal, mysterious quest.
Kastelan-class Robots are considered by many in the AdMech to be the "Angels of the Omnissiah", they are living relics still working today thanks to a technology long forgotten, and they are the perfect servants of the Omnissiah, being completely made of metal and devoid of human frailty like emotions, good or bad. I could understand that most Tech-Priests wouldn't try to stop them doing their thing, because they're probably seeing these "Obedients" as chosen of the Omnissiah, on a quest only known by them, and it would be heresy to interfere with their mission. Datasmiths love the Robots so bad, that in the novel "Tech-Priest" there is one that actually goes berserk upon seeing his Maniple destroyed, charging furiously into a group of Obliterators, having lost the will to live.
As for the recharge of their batteries and refill of ammo, it would not be too hard to believe that they can recognise refill posts at AdMech bases/ships, and go there by themselves. They also could be escorted by a congregation of zealots taking great care of them, assuring they never lack anything.
I really love the fluff behind the Kastelan Robots, and I don't believe these "Obedients" are a hole impossible to explain, that surprised me back in 7th Edition but since then I've read more about them and came to the conclusion above.
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2017/10/04 20:35:59
Subject: The Ramifications of the New Kastelan Fluff
Flinty wrote: I can see groups of the things wandering around between warzones on a single world, as described above. I also find the idea that these robots have an independent means of interstellar travel unsatisfying.
Rather than an independent method of interstellar travel i'm given to think that they basically just walk onto ships completely unannounced. Who's going to stop a 30ft tall war-robot after all?
Fair enough, but then it's not like the captain wouldn't know about them and be frantically trying to prove to the AdMec that they are not in fact abducting these priceless relics of an ancient era
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The Kastelan was given some extremely complicated directive such as: "SAVE THE IMPERIUM" and it's doing its damnedest to accomplish this goal however it can. The little train that could?
2017/10/22 05:04:32
Subject: The Ramifications of the New Kastelan Fluff
Otto Weston wrote: My favourite is the following section quoted verbatim -
"Esmodd 9-Determinis, last seen heading for the Protoid Nebula"
Has he stolen a ship?
Is he walking?
?!???!?
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In seriousness and in response to your question - I saw a theory somewhere that Kastellans are the last physical remnants of the Men of Iron... nowhere near as sapient as their ancestors after the war.
These 'ancient' examples could simply have more autonomy than newly produced versions etc.
Kastellans aren't Men in Iron. We now actually know what the Men in Iron were, and they were more akin to titans than mere robots, or at least in their greatest form. In the DAOT mankind fielded autonomous engines which would literally eat the crust of planets and crack them, swarms of nanites which would strip the flesh of everything on the planet in a matter of minutes, and possibly great orbital stations that could kill stars if their name means anything- "Sunsnuffer".
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2017/10/22 15:32:30
Subject: The Ramifications of the New Kastelan Fluff
Otto Weston wrote: My favourite is the following section quoted verbatim -
"Esmodd 9-Determinis, last seen heading for the Protoid Nebula"
Has he stolen a ship?
Is he walking?
?!???!?
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In seriousness and in response to your question - I saw a theory somewhere that Kastellans are the last physical remnants of the Men of Iron... nowhere near as sapient as their ancestors after the war.
These 'ancient' examples could simply have more autonomy than newly produced versions etc.
Kastellans aren't Men in Iron. We now actually know what the Men in Iron were, and they were more akin to titans than mere robots, or at least in their greatest form. In the DAOT mankind fielded autonomous engines which would literally eat the crust of planets and crack them, swarms of nanites which would strip the flesh of everything on the planet in a matter of minutes, and possibly great orbital stations that could kill stars if their name means anything- "Sunsnuffer".
That just sounds over the top.
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2017/10/22 18:19:59
Subject: The Ramifications of the New Kastelan Fluff
Kastellans aren't Men in Iron. We now actually know what the Men in Iron were, and they were more akin to titans than mere robots, or at least in their greatest form. In the DAOT mankind fielded autonomous engines which would literally eat the crust of planets and crack them, swarms of nanites which would strip the flesh of everything on the planet in a matter of minutes, and possibly great orbital stations that could kill stars if their name means anything- "Sunsnuffer".
Which book is that in? Or books. And are they any good?
pm713 wrote:That just sounds over the top.
The DaoT has been described as having incredible technology for quite a while. Which makes me wonder how it would compare to modern Necrons. And whether the Eldar lost just as much technology during the Fall as humanity did during the Old Night or if they mostly relied on overwhelming Psychic power.
2017/10/22 19:17:10
Subject: The Ramifications of the New Kastelan Fluff
I'm firmly in the 'lost everything just like the IoM' camp with the Eldar. Whether it's through physically losing the ability to construct it, or not being able to use it.
Pretty sure it's not headcanon although I don't have a source, but eldar nowadays basically have to massively fetter their psychic potential to stay hidden from Slaanesh. It could well be that their greatest technologies need more psychic force to function than is possible to exert for the eldar in 40k.
Kastellans aren't Men in Iron. We now actually know what the Men in Iron were, and they were more akin to titans than mere robots, or at least in their greatest form. In the DAOT mankind fielded autonomous engines which would literally eat the crust of planets and crack them, swarms of nanites which would strip the flesh of everything on the planet in a matter of minutes, and possibly great orbital stations that could kill stars if their name means anything- "Sunsnuffer".
Which book is that in? Or books. And are they any good?
pm713 wrote:That just sounds over the top.
The DaoT has been described as having incredible technology for quite a while. Which makes me wonder how it would compare to modern Necrons. And whether the Eldar lost just as much technology during the Fall as humanity did during the Old Night or if they mostly relied on overwhelming Psychic power.
It's not that it's incredible it's that no matter how awesome Mankind were they were nothing to the Eldar Empire. So making the DaOT awesome just makes Eldar oddly implausible.
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Ynneadwraith wrote: I'm firmly in the 'lost everything just like the IoM' camp with the Eldar. Whether it's through physically losing the ability to construct it, or not being able to use it.
Pretty sure it's not headcanon although I don't have a source, but eldar nowadays basically have to massively fetter their psychic potential to stay hidden from Slaanesh. It could well be that their greatest technologies need more psychic force to function than is possible to exert for the eldar in 40k.
They have to use a lot of protection like Rune armour, Ghosthelms, Runes or special areas in the Craftworld to do anything. Even then they seem to limit themselves to stop Demons eating their brains. So they can't use their full potential. But every example of Empire technology I've seen they can use. It's just either held by Dark Eldar who have no psychic power, stuck on Crone Worlds where nobody can get it or beyond their ability to make. They do live on really big trade ships after all.
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2017/10/23 02:08:06
Subject: The Ramifications of the New Kastelan Fluff
It's not that it's incredible it's that no matter how awesome Mankind were they were nothing to the Eldar Empire. So making the DaOT awesome just makes Eldar oddly implausible.
Remember, much of the anti-psyker technology used by the Imperium originated in the Dark Age of Technology. So, I seriously doubt that Mankind was that helpless before the Space Elves.
If anything,based on what we do know about the Dark Age of Technology, Mankind came close to rivaling the Eldar. The age of the Eldar race is irrelevant.
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2017/10/23 07:53:56
Subject: The Ramifications of the New Kastelan Fluff
It's not that it's incredible it's that no matter how awesome Mankind were they were nothing to the Eldar Empire. So making the DaOT awesome just makes Eldar oddly implausible.
Remember, much of the anti-psyker technology used by the Imperium originated in the Dark Age of Technology. So, I seriously doubt that Mankind was that helpless before the Space Elves.
If anything,based on what we do know about the Dark Age of Technology, Mankind came close to rivaling the Eldar. The age of the Eldar race is irrelevant.
They didn't. We know for a fact that pre Fall the Eldar Empire was unrivalled which is what lead to the Fall. So no matter how awesome Humanity was or what they had they weren't a big deal to the Eldar.
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2017/10/23 10:40:19
Subject: The Ramifications of the New Kastelan Fluff
It's not that it's incredible it's that no matter how awesome Mankind were they were nothing to the Eldar Empire. So making the DaOT awesome just makes Eldar oddly implausible.
Remember, much of the anti-psyker technology used by the Imperium originated in the Dark Age of Technology. So, I seriously doubt that Mankind was that helpless before the Space Elves.
If anything,based on what we do know about the Dark Age of Technology, Mankind came close to rivaling the Eldar. The age of the Eldar race is irrelevant.
They didn't. We know for a fact that pre Fall the Eldar Empire was unrivalled which is what lead to the Fall. So no matter how awesome Humanity was or what they had they weren't a big deal to the Eldar.
Told from an eldar perspective in an eldar book, the evidence suggests otherwise, you would never allow a potential enemy to surround you completely, pre fall humanity completely surrounds the current eye, which was the centre of the eldar empire, both eldar and humanity of the time were giants in the playground, mutually assured destruction is a more likely reason for neither going into all out war, both were more than capable of sniffing out entire star systems, both had very advanced automated armed forces, current imperial stc tech is both tougher and has better fire power than current eldar tech, this also suggests that pre fall humans would have had the edge in both, but lacked in mobility, at the end of the day we don't know who was more powerful, but seeing as humanity spread all over the galaxy and the eldar didn't, that would suggest that the pre fall eldar could not stop this from happening.
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2017/10/23 10:57:47
Subject: The Ramifications of the New Kastelan Fluff
It's not that it's incredible it's that no matter how awesome Mankind were they were nothing to the Eldar Empire. So making the DaOT awesome just makes Eldar oddly implausible.
Remember, much of the anti-psyker technology used by the Imperium originated in the Dark Age of Technology. So, I seriously doubt that Mankind was that helpless before the Space Elves.
If anything,based on what we do know about the Dark Age of Technology, Mankind came close to rivaling the Eldar. The age of the Eldar race is irrelevant.
They didn't. We know for a fact that pre Fall the Eldar Empire was unrivalled which is what lead to the Fall. So no matter how awesome Humanity was or what they had they weren't a big deal to the Eldar.
Told from an eldar perspective in an eldar book, the evidence suggests otherwise, you would never allow a potential enemy to surround you completely, pre fall humanity completely surrounds the current eye, which was the centre of the eldar empire, both eldar and humanity of the time were giants in the playground, mutually assured destruction is a more likely reason for neither going into all out war, both were more than capable of sniffing out entire star systems, both had very advanced automated armed forces, current imperial stc tech is both tougher and has better fire power than current eldar tech, this also suggests that pre fall humans would have had the edge in both, but lacked in mobility, at the end of the day we don't know who was more powerful, but seeing as humanity spread all over the galaxy and the eldar didn't, that would suggest that the pre fall eldar could not stop this from happening.
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Well if you thought you could just beat them with a hand behind your back you probably wouldn't care. Mutually assured destruction seems wrong as that hardly creates an environment for the Fall and why would the Eldar let them reach that point?
Didn't Human automatons get wiped out in a civil war trying to kill Mankind.,....
STC tech being better than Eldar tech doesn't prove much. A combination of refugees, farmers and people who can't use their own technology don't show their full potential. That's like saying I can conquer an Imperial Feudal World therefore I can take on the Imperium on a technological level.
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2017/10/23 14:43:19
Subject: The Ramifications of the New Kastelan Fluff
Ynneadwraith wrote: I'm firmly in the 'lost everything just like the IoM' camp with the Eldar. Whether it's through physically losing the ability to construct it, or not being able to use it.
Pretty sure it's not headcanon although I don't have a source, but eldar nowadays basically have to massively fetter their psychic potential to stay hidden from Slaanesh. It could well be that their greatest technologies need more psychic force to function than is possible to exert for the eldar in 40k.
I'm inclined to agree. They don't seem to have a enormous technological power that the background suggests they possessed.
Yeah I think I've heard that before. It's possible that some of the technology amplified their powers too. The Imperium has psi-affecting technology so I don't see why the Eldar wouldn't either. I also imagine that many automatons they used could have been powered by their Psychic powers. If they used them for construction and/or warfare and no longer can risk it it'd help explain their marked drop in power.
pm713 wrote:It's not that it's incredible it's that no matter how awesome Mankind were they were nothing to the Eldar Empire. So making the DaOT awesome just makes Eldar oddly implausible.
I just assume that the Eldar technology and Psychic prowess was such that they were still dominant in terms of power. The DAoT humans could have brilliant technology and apocalyptic weapons but if the Eldar were capable of stopping them from using it or countering it through other means then it wouldn't mean much if it came to a war.
2017/10/23 16:03:34
Subject: The Ramifications of the New Kastelan Fluff
It's not that it's incredible it's that no matter how awesome Mankind were they were nothing to the Eldar Empire. So making the DaOT awesome just makes Eldar oddly implausible.
Remember, much of the anti-psyker technology used by the Imperium originated in the Dark Age of Technology. So, I seriously doubt that Mankind was that helpless before the Space Elves.
If anything,based on what we do know about the Dark Age of Technology, Mankind came close to rivaling the Eldar. The age of the Eldar race is irrelevant.
They didn't. We know for a fact that pre Fall the Eldar Empire was unrivalled which is what lead to the Fall. So no matter how awesome Humanity was or what they had they weren't a big deal to the Eldar.
Told from an eldar perspective in an eldar book, the evidence suggests otherwise, you would never allow a potential enemy to surround you completely, pre fall humanity completely surrounds the current eye, which was the centre of the eldar empire, both eldar and humanity of the time were giants in the playground, mutually assured destruction is a more likely reason for neither going into all out war, both were more than capable of sniffing out entire star systems, both had very advanced automated armed forces, current imperial stc tech is both tougher and has better fire power than current eldar tech, this also suggests that pre fall humans would have had the edge in both, but lacked in mobility, at the end of the day we don't know who was more powerful, but seeing as humanity spread all over the galaxy and the eldar didn't, that would suggest that the pre fall eldar could not stop this from happening.
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Well if you thought you could just beat them with a hand behind your back you probably wouldn't care. Mutually assured destruction seems wrong as that hardly creates an environment for the Fall and why would the Eldar let them reach that point?
Didn't Human automatons get wiped out in a civil war trying to kill Mankind.,....
STC tech being better than Eldar tech doesn't prove much. A combination of refugees, farmers and people who can't use their own technology don't show their full potential. That's like saying I can conquer an Imperial Feudal World therefore I can take on the Imperium on a technological level.
Humans during the dark age were undisputed masters of the galaxy, eldar were the same, both cannot be true, on the one hand we have the opinion of an imperial looking back, on the other we have the opinion of a race known for its arrogance and unwillingness to admit it's not superior to every other race, so both are anecdotal at best, that leaves us what tech is left to try to gain some understanding of what each could possibly have fielded or used, sketchy at best, but stc tech is superior as far as we can see in this limited way, next we have the fact that the eldar were surrounded on all sides, this is shown in many sources as human worlds are found everywhere surrounding the old eldar empire, next we know that eldar also used automated systems for war at one point same as the humans, the human ones rebelled at some point but this still did not cripple humanity, it was however a heavy nail in its coffin, then we have psykers popping up everywhere, humanity was slowly fractured by this.
Eldar turned very insular but this still does not explain why they "allowed" humanity to completely surround them, tactically very unsound, we also know that eldar had planet and solar system ending weapons, so did humanity, so given all of The above the most logical conclusion is that either mutually assured destruction stopped major wars, or, eldar could not stop humanity, that had comparable tech breed much faster and occupied a much much larger % of the galaxy.
2017/10/23 18:14:47
Subject: The Ramifications of the New Kastelan Fluff
Eldar turned very insular but this still does not explain why they "allowed" humanity to completely surround them, tactically very unsound, we also know that eldar had planet and solar system ending weapons, so did humanity, so given all of The above the most logical conclusion is that either mutually assured destruction stopped major wars, or, eldar could not stop humanity, that had comparable tech breed much faster and occupied a much much larger % of the galaxy.
Third option is that the Eldar were so powerful humanity dared not invade their territory and so the Eldar turned inward because there was no threat to them. Humanity spreading so much doesn't conflict with that if the Eldar didn't care.
2017/10/23 18:28:29
Subject: The Ramifications of the New Kastelan Fluff
Eldar turned very insular but this still does not explain why they "allowed" humanity to completely surround them, tactically very unsound, we also know that eldar had planet and solar system ending weapons, so did humanity, so given all of The above the most logical conclusion is that either mutually assured destruction stopped major wars, or, eldar could not stop humanity, that had comparable tech breed much faster and occupied a much much larger % of the galaxy.
Third option is that the Eldar were so powerful humanity dared not invade their territory and so the Eldar turned inward because there was no threat to them. Humanity spreading so much doesn't conflict with that if the Eldar didn't care.
Or that space is really big, and that humanity’s surrounding the Eldar didn’t mean a lot because there was still almost no contact with each other and negligible competition for resources and/or territory.
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2017/10/23 19:01:02
Subject: The Ramifications of the New Kastelan Fluff
Eldar turned very insular but this still does not explain why they "allowed" humanity to completely surround them, tactically very unsound, we also know that eldar had planet and solar system ending weapons, so did humanity, so given all of The above the most logical conclusion is that either mutually assured destruction stopped major wars, or, eldar could not stop humanity, that had comparable tech breed much faster and occupied a much much larger % of the galaxy.
I guess more important is other thing - why, despite their MILLIONS of years headstart , Eldar didn't colonized most of Galaxy? Humans did it in just few millenias, several ORDERS of magnitude less than Eldar history...
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2017/10/23 19:16:26
Subject: The Ramifications of the New Kastelan Fluff
Probably not a surprise, but i'm definitely in the 'eldar were superior' camp.
DAoT mankind had ~25,000 years of development. The Eldar had 60 million. 2400 times as long for technological development. The eldar could have gone through two thousand four hundred complete technological dark ages, with resets putting them back to the iron age, and still have enough time to equal the technological feats of DAoT mankind assuming at least roughly comparable technological development rates.
Eldar turned very insular but this still does not explain why they "allowed" humanity to completely surround them, tactically very unsound, we also know that eldar had planet and solar system ending weapons, so did humanity, so given all of The above the most logical conclusion is that either mutually assured destruction stopped major wars, or, eldar could not stop humanity, that had comparable tech breed much faster and occupied a much much larger % of the galaxy.
I guess more important is other thing - why, despite their MILLIONS of years headstart , Eldar didn't colonized most of Galaxy? Humans did it in just few millenias, several ORDERS of magnitude less than Eldar history...
Perhaps it's not in their nature to spread out among the galaxy in millions upon millions of warrens. Alien psychology and all that.
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Perhaps it's not in their nature to spread out among the galaxy in millions upon millions of warrens. Alien psychology and all that.
BTW, Galaxy is just about 100.000 LY wide, so if sun-killing weapons were used earlier than that there'll be no human-visible signs that something happened other than remnants of dead systems that could be stumbled upon only by accident...if there's something left to stumbe upon.
Eldar ruins are widespread enough around Galaxy - either outposts abandoned just prior to/during Fall or... settlements something forced them to abandon for their core homeworlds. Something that's suposedly no longer there , something powerful but less myth-creating than War in Heaven. Or something Eldar just too ashamed to talk about.
Take your pick - great Ork Waagh that'd make Beast look like Saddam Hussein compared to Hitler , Eldar fratricidal war (btw - Hruud as branch of Ældari rumours anyone?)... or maybe first coming of Tyranids seen as huge but manageable natural disaster instead of existencial danger (for.ex.from 'Last Ditch' by S. Mitchell:
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‘Because the first recorded contact with the tyranids was just two hundred years ago,’ Amberley said, speaking slowly and distinctly, like my old schola tutors used to do when I was missing a point they thought was obvious, ‘and according to your friend Izembard these have been there for millennia.’
‘Maybe they’ve been around longer than anyone thought,’ I suggested. ‘Could you check the records?’ If anyone was likely to have evidence to support that assumption, it would be the Ordo Xenos, the branch of the Inquisition she worked for.
‘No need,’ she said. ‘Without wanting to bore you with the details,’ which was a polite way of saying I didn’t have the clearance to know, ‘there have been a few incidents which might possibly be earlier incursions. But the earliest of those was in M35.’
‘The ones we found had been on Nusquam Fundumentibus a lot longer than that,’ I said. ‘So what were they doing there?’
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So - maybe 'height of Eldar Empire' meant 'all long-standing enemies seemed defeated - at the cost' and not the apex of their real might or influence.
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2017/10/24 12:48:16
Subject: The Ramifications of the New Kastelan Fluff
One wonders how these mysteriously appearing Kastelans get around. How do they refuel? How do they get more ammunition? How can they navigate? Are they intelligent enough to know where they’re going? Why do the Mechanicus just let them feth off and leave when they’re done “allowing themselves be controlled” fighting?
How the hell do the phosphor blaster hands Kastelans do anything off the battlefield? They have no hands!
They just shoot everything. They're very notorious for that.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
2017/10/24 14:38:31
Subject: The Ramifications of the New Kastelan Fluff
I now want to see a cartoon where a millenia-old Kastelan Robot is trying to get across the galaxy to fulfil his last directive, and his escapades doing so...
This week he tries to buy tickets for a transport spaceship to get to the next sector.
After some frustration and errors he manages to use his blaster gun barrels to press the right buttons on the ticket machine and the paper ticket is dispensed out into the collection slot, but DISASTER! He can't fit the gun barrels into the ticket slot and is unable to pick them up so he methodically murders everyone in the spaceport with searing phosphor death.
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Mechanicum W:4 L:2 D:1
Cadre Coronal Afterglow w1;d0;l0 
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