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Its another area where Primaris seem to go against the grain. Usually marines start out as light infantry and progress to heavy weapons as they get battlefield experience, Primaris seem to be starting out as special weapon squads then moving in to becoming the stealth infiltration specialists Reivers with lighter armour.

Its also why people are mistaking Reivers for Scouts, the Reivers have a lighter less noisy power armour that allows more freedom of movement, a lot like Space Marine scouts start out with.

Space marines are scouts first not because they have to be scouts first. They are scouts first because they don't have enough room in the chapter for more marines. They get valuable experience but if there are spots available they just move right into the ranks. For Primaris I feel like they get to skip the waiting line and basically move right into their rolls. I feel like they are made to order.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Space marines are scouts first not because they have to be scouts first. They are scouts first because they don't have enough room in the chapter for more marines. They get valuable experience but if there are spots available they just move right into the ranks. For Primaris I feel like they get to skip the waiting line and basically move right into their rolls. I feel like they are made to order.

Yeah, Space Wolves recruits are directly put into a Power Armour and made Blood Claws.

Yeah the Wolves are non-codex compliant but they still follow the pattern of the older longfangs getting heavy weapons when they learn to control their bloodlust. For the compliant chapters the average time spent as a scout before becoming a full marine is 10 years.

WatcherZero wrote:
Yeah the Wolves are non-codex compliant but they still follow the pattern of the older longfangs getting heavy weapons when they learn to control their bloodlust. For the compliant chapters the average time spent as a scout before becoming a full marine is 10 years.

That's practically inverted from how compliant chapters operate, though. Devastators are 'newbie' marines.

Codex chapters recruits start as scouts and graduate to devastator squads when they earn their power armour. They work as the filler 'spotter' marines in the squad before being entrusted with the heavy weapons roles. Then with more experience under their belts they move on to other squads.

Space Wolves, by contrast, treat scout and long-range support roles as veteran positions. Scouts are where the combat-tested, 'doesn't play well with others' loners wind up and long fang squads are veteran grey hunter units whose numbers have dwindled over the years and who can be entrusted to know target priority for their weapons (which makes sense, when you consider they don't operate with additional 'spotter' marines like compliant chapters do).

DaHedd wrote:

How do the existing Marines feel about the Primus marines. Surely a batch of vat grown warriors is heresy?

There are a range of reactions from different characters. Most broadly welcome the reinforcements, particularly given how hard they hard they have been pressed since the fall of Cadia.

However some of the more colourful characters from divergent Chapters do not like them. Seth of the Flesh Tearers has been the most negative about them (in Devastation of Baal). Blood Angels Primaris Marines do not appear to suffer from the Red Thirst or Black Rage (yet?). Seth is disdainful of this as he views these flaws (and the struggle against them) as a source of strength. Without them, they are hardly Blood Angels at all in his view. He basically accuses Guilliman (behind his back) of trying to the Blood Angelks and their successors into red Ultramarines.

This is the most negative in-Universe view we have had of the Primaris Marines and definitely reflects the die-hard attitude of the old guard. Here is a bit.

Seth looked out at the host dismissively. Where some might see unbridled Imperial might, he saw weakness . All the warriors suffered from the flaw like his own Chapter did, yet in the main they denied what they were. They were not worthy to carry the blood of Sanguinius in their veins.

Funnily enough the Primaris assigned to the Dark Angels consider them suspiciously heretical, potentially a greater threat to the Imperium than the Tau.

 Karhedron wrote:

Seth looked out at the host dismissively. Where some might see unbridled Imperial might, he saw weakness . All the warriors suffered from the flaw like his own Chapter did, yet in the main they denied what they were. They were not worthy to carry the blood of Sanguinius in their veins.

I don't understand this quote - notably the "All the warriors suffered from the flaw like his own Chapter did". I thought Cawl had removed the Red Thirst/Black Rage, but this line implies that they do, but they don't embrace it.

Is this just a mulligan of writing, or do Blood Angels+ Primaris have the Thirst and Rage?

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 Karhedron wrote:

Seth looked out at the host dismissively. Where some might see unbridled Imperial might, he saw weakness . All the warriors suffered from the flaw like his own Chapter did, yet in the main they denied what they were. They were not worthy to carry the blood of Sanguinius in their veins.

I don't understand this quote - notably the "All the warriors suffered from the flaw like his own Chapter did". I thought Cawl had removed the Red Thirst/Black Rage, but this line implies that they do, but they don't embrace it.

Is this just a mulligan of writing, or do Blood Angels+ Primaris have the Thirst and Rage?

That particular quote is not referring to the Primaris Marines, but the assembled host of the Blood Angels' successors pre-devastation.
Seth just doesn't seem to like anyone.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Space marines are scouts first not because they have to be scouts first. They are scouts first because they don't have enough room in the chapter for more marines. They get valuable experience but if there are spots available they just move right into the ranks. For Primaris I feel like they get to skip the waiting line and basically move right into their rolls. I feel like they are made to order.

What is your source on this? I didn't think that was the case./

Under strength chapters like the Crimson Fists have larger scout companies because they need to train up a lot of marines, not smaller ones because they are inducting people straight into the ranks. For example; the Mantis Warriors have 800 marines (so 200 unfilled places) but still have 60-80 scouts.

I think the purpose of the scouting process, aside from tradition, is to allow the inductees to grow accustomed to their implants and to inculcate them with the culture and tradition of the Chapter.

Primaris are grown as "all-up" marines. In Dark Imperium it's made clear that they are grown then equipped as full marines.

Does it make it clear if that applies only to Cawls monstrosities or is also the approach taken by Chapters which have been gifted the technology?