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New installment for Wizkids D&D game - Tomb of Anihilation was created by Kevin Wilson - creator fo Descent 1ed, Civilization and Arkham Horror.

I would like to see his input on board games in WH40k universe.

But it will be hard to beat Forbidden Stars.
   
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 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Could someone post some picture examples of some wizkid games? I have never heard of them before. Collectible dice games? Like Yahtzee or something?


My experience with WizKids is mostly with their unpainted miniatures and games in the Dungeons & Dragons and Pathfinder line. They have now released two Dungeons & Dragons Adventure Board Games (Temple of Elemental Board and Tombo of Annihilatoin). They are stand alone games that can be combined with each other and the three previous DnD Adventure Board games (not made by WizKids, if I remember correctly). They are fairly simple board games borrowing mechanics from the 4E DnD. Very light, but the kids enjoy playing the game. I know people just buy them to get lots of miniatures for a decent price.

I do like their unpainted miniature line that was recently released in the last couple years for DnD and Pathfinder. Relatively cheap expanding miniature line, comparable to Reaper Miniatures Bone, for use in fantasy RPGs. https://wizkids.com/unpainted/
   
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I get the feeling the deal with Wizkids will be for games other than ones focused miniatures given the genres and games mentioned. I doubt this is the first step closer to Spees Marinez Clix.

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This is a match made in hell, one I would have never seen coming. Both write pretty bad rule systems, but Wizkids isn't shy about whoring itself out for all the money it can get, whereas GW attempts to present its products as high-value commodities.

I wouldn't expect to see pre-paint 28mm 40K minis out of this - just the same sort of stuff FFG was producing. Things like board games, 40K themed dicemasters and maaaaaybe Battlefleet Gothic Attack Wing. The last I wouldn't mind picking up, it'd be easy enough to fix any god-awful rules/cards WK appends to the basic system.

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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Given my experiences with Wizkids' Star Trek Attack Wing, this is negative news, they have a very poor history when it comes to any kind of long term support for a game, breaking games with expansions and factions and general poor rules writing/implementation and further complication from poor FAQs and so on.

I get that GW is moving to them from their relationship with FFG but WK are a much less stable company and flit from one thing to another once the initial buy-in money has gone.


I keep hoping that FFG will get the licence to make a ST game similar to Star Wars Armada.
   
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GW have said in the past they will never release pre painted figures , and they wouldn't let another company make 28mm scale 40k figures that could compete with/muddy the waters of their own lines.

GW is going to make wizkids put on fantasy flights old clothes and a cheap wig and act out it's fantasies, but wizkids isn't gonna have any power in this relationship.

   
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jct25 M1 , derby

i hate to burst peoples bubble

GW has never made or let anyone make a miniature game with their IP since the tie up of GW & MB games In the 90s

the last game was Battle Masters circa 1993/94

Sorry people it will never happen

you'll have to keep your brushes & paint pots for a while yet.

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I greatly enjoyed the D&D board games (I’ve got 5) and if they put out some Warhammer-themed games in that vein, I’d be all over it.
   
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 rockgod2304 wrote:
i hate to burst peoples bubble

GW has never made or let anyone make a miniature game with their IP since the tie up of GW & MB games In the 90s


What is the opposite of bursting a bubble? Like, repairing one? Blowing a bubble?

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MeanGreenStompa
wrote:
Given my experiences with Wizkids' Star Trek Attack Wing, this is negative news, they have a very poor history when it comes to any kind of long term support for a game, breaking games with expansions and factions and general poor rules writing/implementation and further complication from poor FAQs and so on.

I get that GW is moving to them from their relationship with FFG but WK are a much less stable company and flit from one thing to another once the initial buy-in money has gone.



I keep hoping that FFG will get the licence to make a ST game similar to Star Wars Armada.


I think the relationship between FFG & GW has soured now
and I believe (I maybe incorrect) that FFG have had their GW licenses rescinded

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 rockgod2304 wrote:
I think the relationship between FFG & GW has soured now
and I believe (I maybe incorrect) that FFG have had their GW licenses rescinded


I believe so. I know they lost the RPG licence, as I was wondering how Dark Heresy was doing a few weeks back and checked up on it. Now some other company is working on a RPG, will have to see how it goes. I really liked Dark Heresy, although I never played 2nd edition and heard bad things about it.

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 rockgod2304 wrote:

I think the relationship between FFG & GW has soured now
and I believe (I maybe incorrect) that FFG have had their GW licenses rescinded

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The license was not renewed but we don't know who actually chose not to. Did GW pull the license after FFG got and increasingly focused on Star Wars? Did FFG chose not to renew it because they had a much bigger and more profitable IP to work on? Or both? We don't know. Either way, the relationship has ended although I'm not sure if soured is the correct term. Licenses come and go in the business world and it isn't always as acrimonious as fans/customers would think.

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I seem to remember something about the GW license to FFG had a clause stating that FFG couldn't produce miniatures games (or something like that, could have been more specific). FFG didn't renew the license and went on to produce x wing and Star Wars: Legion

No idea how much of that is true, if any, but would explain what happened.

As far as Wizkids goes, even if they did produce 40kclix, the models would be made with their favourite low quality bendy plastic so wouldn't appeal to the same people as 40k does. I think this is more about the board games

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I believe that Fantasy Flight dropped their GW licenses around the time they released Runewars, but I could be mistaken.

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 MadCowCrazy wrote:
str00dles1 wrote:
A high amount. Star wars = printing money. GW = meh, fans might buy but they rather spend $ on the expensive models then board games






TLDR is that Disney are whoring out the Star Wars license to everyone just like GW are doing with their license, thus the brand has lost most of it's interest.



Could someone post some picture examples of some wizkid games? I have never heard of them before. Collectible dice games? Like Yahtzee or something?


The guy in that video is an idiot. Here's a quick test you can do: Take a quick look around your local Toys'R'Us, Target, Walmart, whatever and see how many toys there are for movies that are 2 years old. Here's a hint, about two, Star Wars and the Marvel universe. The very fact that you can still buy a huge number of toys from a movie that is 2 years old is a statement about how far from dead the Star Wars license is. Oh and on the gaming side X-Wing is eating GW's lunch sales wise at least in the US and that was done in a few short years against the 800lbs Gorilla in the room that GW was and still is.

The MechWarrior clix game WizKids did way back still makes me cry a bit. It was set in the Dark Age period of the Battletech universe, which was this new period in the future where they tried to justify how many Battlemechs were no longer used for war but for things like logging and mining so you had weird mining mechs fighting legacy Atlases, weird and really pushed the bounds of what a lot of people were willing to accept for fluff. The game itself was lack luster also, those two things together basically meant it was doom.

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Gathering the Informations.

X-Wing is available in far more places than GW stuff is, in addition to having a "chase the dragon" sales model.

I can go to Barnes & Noble or Target and get most of the X-Wing range there, as an example. It's actually a good way to catch stuff that isn't available regularly from hobby shops and the like since most people don't check there.
   
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 MadCowCrazy wrote:
str00dles1 wrote:
A high amount. Star wars = printing money. GW = meh, fans might buy but they rather spend $ on the expensive models then board games






TLDR is that Disney are whoring out the Star Wars license to everyone just like GW are doing with their license, thus the brand has lost most of it's interest.



Could someone post some picture examples of some wizkid games? I have never heard of them before. Collectible dice games? Like Yahtzee or something?


I should have clarified for FFG, its printing money. Toys and crap at target and the like sit there im sure of, but FFG sells out of their dice card game and anything else star wars all the time and its a huge seller in the gaming community. X wing and Armada are the two top grossing table top games

I suggest going to Wizkids.com and seeing what they have.

A lot of poorly prepainted figures for a skirmish level miniature game(s)
Colored Dice for Dice masters game( uses dnd and marvel DC characters), where the dice "fight" eachother and you have cards that go with them.
Bunch of DND themed games
   
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Not knowing what GW is planning on keeping in house and what they plan to license out I could see how this might be helpful for both companies.

GW can pass on to WK all the things they see as low priority on their game hierarchy.

An Attack Wing version of BFG could be interesting. It would give WK a chance to reissue the rules as a new edition to help boost their other AW sales...and, who wouldn't want to throw SM against the Federation?

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 Tamereth wrote:
Where the warp did this deal come from. No idea what sort of games they will come out with. 40K heroclix sounds like a terrible idea, so hopefully something else.

Maybe an airplane game using the flightpath system?


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I'm not sure i'd buy into any games made by wizkinds, plus GW is already starting to produce quality boardgames again (blood bowl, shadespire, WHQ). So eh...wizkids will make cheaper quality ones then (worse quality in basically every way)? Doesn't sound too appealing. They would have to make a rather unexpected effort and come out with something worthwhile.

 
   
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I could see an introductory product. Like Marine tactical squads in two colors. A small rules pamphlet sold in non hobby outlets. Target or Toys are us. Maybe assault too. Then they sell you primed HQ with paint.
   
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Heroclix minis are subpar but I would love to see some characterful rules for 40K characters in that game. As unbalanced as it is Heroclix is still pretty fun and generally does wonders with depicting characters in action.

As for the minis, just pluck the pre-painted one off the dial and paint up your own proper mini!

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 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Could someone post some picture examples of some wizkid games? I have never heard of them before. Collectible dice games? Like Yahtzee or something?


When 2003 rolled around I left 40K and the blandness of 3rd for heroclix. Modeling, repainting, comic books, comic themed forces, etc all entered my world for 7 years. Spent a bout 1000.00 a year on clix, more than I had on 40K. In the end the miniature game took a back seat to the newest fad/release hotness and powergaming from card games took more center than the miniature origin part of the game.

I loved that WK listened to the players early on. What I hated about 40K and GW back then was that the 2nd ed player base was throwaway. And they had the same sell the new hotness for 3 months and then move on to the next fad.

WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE, instead of letting players and armies suffer for months or years on end til they got around to it was to focus on UNIT TYPES INSTEAD of armies. Rather than release new Vampire counts or GSC army this half of the year they could have focused on FAST ATTACK units for every army for the next 6 months with some new models and new rules that would KEEP you interested in your army with new stuff for everyone all the time, interested in the game and interested in spending money. With their type of Merchandising I know of no other company that kills interest after you have 3 or 4 or 8 different armies. Keep it new and fresh GW. Don't drown us with waves then leave us.

prepainted mini will be the only way GW makes it back to 2nd/3rd edition numbers of the playerbase. Would be an excellent way to round out a base of an army for newbs while they learn to paint their fave character elite unit.


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 SonicPara wrote:
Heroclix minis are subpar but I would love to see some characterful rules for 40K characters in that game. As unbalanced as it is Heroclix is still pretty fun and generally does wonders with depicting characters in action.

As for the minis, just pluck the pre-painted one off the dial and paint up your own proper mini!


Actually when you do see a painted 40k army....a rarity.....about half are extremely aweful. I know clix has a hard time getting the face painted on the face a lot of the times....uggg, but to be real....many if not the majority of 40k armies would love to have a paint job as good as Wizkids.

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 koooaei wrote:
We are rolling so many dice to have less time to realise that there is not much else to the game other than rolling so many dice.
 
   
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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
it looks like they're taking the same approach as they have with the video games more smaller non exclusive deals, we've already had a hook up with Ninja Division and now one with Whiz Kid, and I expect to see more in the future


Good god I hope not as 96% of GW related computer games are the definition of shovelware. (Also the 1 original really good game produced which saved GW from going into the red, they tried to kill because they were not happy with the license)

Is there a board/wargame equivalent of Shovelware?

Maybe Cmon's 1st few games that had no zombies and a lot of WK's stuff probably is covered to.

What amuses me is that given the histories of the 2 companies they are probably both currently working out the best way to screw the other one over.

Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis 
   
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 Thargrim wrote:
I'm not sure i'd buy into any games made by wizkinds...

I am. I'm absolutely certain I will never buy into any WizKids games. I've seen how they mismanage things back with the MechWarrior clix game and the Pirates styrene card game. Both had great potential but were hobbled by the fact that nobody at WizKids understood what the hell this "play balance" thing was or why people seemed to think it was important.

Man, I need to walk away from this thread. This trip down memory lane is just making me irate. :/



 
   
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SeanDrake wrote:
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
it looks like they're taking the same approach as they have with the video games more smaller non exclusive deals, we've already had a hook up with Ninja Division and now one with Whiz Kid, and I expect to see more in the future


Good god I hope not as 96% of GW related computer games are the definition of shovelware. (Also the 1 original really good game produced which saved GW from going into the red, they tried to kill because they were not happy with the license)

Is there a board/wargame equivalent of Shovelware?

Maybe Cmon's 1st few games that had no zombies and a lot of WK's stuff probably is covered to.

What amuses me is that given the histories of the 2 companies they are probably both currently working out the best way to screw the other one over.


Disagree about most of their app games. Deathwatch and Quest are both good. Gothic is awesome. Freeblade is fun. Carnage is a blast for picking up from time to time. I even enjoyed their base building heresy game for a while. Oh and the Tallarn game is fun even if it's basically a reskin. I've found most of their games to be quite a good time. Though there are some duds.

I think spreading their IP around a bit is a good idea. Allows more chances at success and you're not hobbling you IP spread if your only source decides to focus solely on something else for years at a time (cough::FFG::cough)

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SeanDrake wrote:

Good god I hope not as 96% of GW related computer games are the definition of shovelware.


You clearly have no idea what shovelware is.
   
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https://wizkids.com/2017/10/19/wizkids-announces-new-partnership-with-games-workshop/

Statement from wizkids.
I knew dicemasters would be the first thing they announce, it's the one thing most stores bother to carry of theirs even if it does just languish on shelves.

We already know they won't do the best thing possible with this partnership, which would be to make Pirates of the spanish main with 40k ships, call it rogue traders of the ghoul stars and sell booster packs with two ships and a mini game.

   
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Why would GW let them do a pseudo Gothic when they can keep it in the vault for when they need to kill their own production capacity again.
   
 
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