Should there be more S14 and S16 weapons?

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**Desubot**

Martel732 wrote:
I disagree completely. The Hammerhead main gun should absolutely be S16.

Yeah it probably should be S16 no question. have you seen the size of that thing?

personally outside of that i think we should keep Str above 10 out of shooting. leave it for titan levels and melee.

**Martel732**

Nah. There's no reason to cap it at 10. That's old school thinking.

**Panzergraf**

Obviously in "old school" 40k, having more than S10 would cause problem with instant kills and auto-penning vehicles. (...and then they introduced Destroyer weapons and did that anyway)
But in 8th there's no real reason it should be capped at 10, other than preventing power creep. In this case, we're advocating S14 and 16 on units that are seriously underperforming, to the point of being useless, so it wouldn't really be powercreep either.

**Desubot**

Martel732 wrote:
Nah. There's no reason to cap it at 10. That's old school thinking.

But what kinda normal shooting would or should get str higher than 10.

that isnt a turbo laser or a rail gun.

**Martel732**

I could see the dark eldar with a super dark lance or something.

**Desubot**

But a super dark lance would be a flavor of turbo laser. kind of

i could see the falcon bright lance which is bigger than a normal bright lance being in the 12s. from what i recall.

(though arent eldar lascannons basicly weaker lascannons but for the penetration?)

**Panzergraf**

Desubot wrote:
Martel732 wrote:
Nah. There's no reason to cap it at 10. That's old school thinking.

But what kinda normal shooting would or should get str higher than 10.

that isnt a turbo laser or a rail gun.

Examples like the Hammerhead Rail Gun and the Vanquisher Battle Cannon (VS vehicles) have already been given. Large vehicle mounted weapons, basically. Weapons that filled a special niche in previous editions that they can't really perform in 8th because the whole vehicle armor system went away; one trick ponies whose trick has gotten really lame.

**Desubot**

Well i did mention railgun. its kinda ridiculous that thing isnt a macro weapon already.

Vanquisher for sure. that thing needs help,

**Infantryman**

Desubot wrote:
Well i did mention railgun. its kinda ridiculous that thing isnt a macro weapon already.

Vanquisher for sure. that thing needs help,

Yeah :(

And it's not like we can play around with what AP means on big guns! AV should have never went away...

M.