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 Bromsy wrote:


This.

The whole story is sad.

It is interesting to watch the societal shift as formerly downtrodden groups become accepted and the same shaming, hateful tactics once used against them are employed by them or on their behalf by others.

And then have Peregrine tell us that they were right.

The LGBTQ community is starting to trample all over women's rights. This is just a taste. It's going to be an interesting culture clash.

Edit: Apparently one gay performer told August to apologize or take a cyanide pill. Threatened another woman in a private conversation as well.

This thread looks promising.

I hate to be "that Guy" in this conversation, but this reminds me of a factoid that came up a while back in another discussion.

A while back there was talk of getting rid of the ban on gay men donating blood as the ban was "homophobic". Another group of people banned from donating blood is prostitutes. Oddly enough, according to government stats, hookers are less likely to have HIV than the gay male population, and I don't see anyone standing up for hooker rights.

 trexmeyer wrote:

 Bromsy wrote:


This.

The whole story is sad.

It is interesting to watch the societal shift as formerly downtrodden groups become accepted and the same shaming, hateful tactics once used against them are employed by them or on their behalf by others.

And then have Peregrine tell us that they were right.

The LGBTQ community is starting to trample all over women's rights. This is just a taste. It's going to be an interesting culture clash.

Edit: Apparently one gay performer told August to apologize or take a cyanide pill. Threatened another woman in a private conversation as well.

I think there is answer here ans one that not get me a OT ban.

It does not matter what community, religion or culture. There always will be people who are nasty people.

Don t matter how much a minority, corner, or oppressed group. Thetes always that person. You always have the odd bad egg.

Its just life.

It's just the Greater Internet Fethwad Theory in action. There will always be trolls and other poor examples of humanity that will delight in the pain and suffering of others, regardless of the excuse they use to cause it.

Sociopaths. They are sociopaths, and don’t sugarcoat that. Sociopathy can be traced to nearly every issue this world faces.

This is going to delve towards politics but I think it has to be said. There was a very good article, from the New York Times I think see if I can find it, that came out just a few hours after SCOTUS ruled on United States v. Windsor.

The article basically compared problems in the gay community (lots of anonymous sex, lack of protection used, and drugs) to problems in urban black communities (lots of anonymous sex, lack of protection used, and drugs... yeah) and how these problems were ignored and down played by advocates of equal rights because it was already a uphill battle getting equality without the community being smeared by elitist uptight dicks who jumped at every opportunity to present any failing of group as a massive indictment and justification to discriminate. They deserved equal rights and always have, but now that DOMA was struck down the author wanted people to start being more open about the problems in the community itself and start addressing them rather than continuing to downplay them to achieve political goals.

There is a problem in the gay community with anonymous sex, lack of protection, and drugs. There's a reason why HIV spread so much more rapidly among homosexual men than other demographics and we're at the point now where we really shouldn't be ignoring that this is a real problem. It's gotten much better since the 80s and 90s. Awareness has spread. More men have realized that just because you can't get another guy pregnant doesn't mean you shouldn't follow the rules of safe sex. The problem however persists, particularly in the party and club scene that is dedicated to the gay community were drug use is a bit higher than the norm and thus people aren't in full use of their faculties.

These things aren't bigoted to say, because these problems are real and denying them doesn't make them go away anymore than trying to deny the rights of gay men and women. People shouldn't have to fight for their rights as hard as they seem to have to in this country. It's pathetic and disgraceful how far Americans will go to treat other Americans like garbage (this thread seems a fitting testament), but if it becomes bigoted to say "this is a real problem" then we've reached a much worse point than casual dismissal of basic human decency. At that point we're just pandering. If you care about people you fight for them, and that includes telling them things they might not want to hear.

I don't know if August Aimes was a bigot. I do know she didn't deserve to be treated that way because no one should be treated that way. Sure as hell no one should be applauding her death as some kind of victory.

I attended multiple seminars and courses held by a professor of virology who focuses a lot on HIV in his research, but still sees patients day to day in the clinic. He's very happy that the therapy regimes get better, with less pills and less side effects, but he's also a bit worried - because he's noticed that with better therapy, the specter of HIV gets a little less frightening, and he had a few first cases of people who started to see HIV as "not a big thing" anymore, leading to less safe sex practices again.
Furthermore, therapy has gotten so good and some patients are basically living without any side effects, that he sometimes had to diplomatically remind them that they are still suffering from a life-threating disease that is just kept under check with medication, not eradicated. And while it's true that a low virus copy count in the blood reduces the risk of infecting somebody else, it's not a bulletproof situation, safety is still highly recommended, but might not always be used, especially if a patient feels completely healthy. "Single pill" therapy regimes can make it feel not very different from a high blood pressure therapy where patients sometimes actually forget they have a medical condition, I guess.

These are things true of HIV in general, but they seem relevant to this thread, because I sat in on that professor's HIV ambulance day and there was literally not a single woman as a patient and the vast majority of his long-term patients were gay men. Like LordofHats said, there's not point in denying it, otherwise the issue won't be solved.

 LordofHats wrote:
This is going to delve towards politics but I think it has to be said. There was a very good article, from the New York Times I think see if I can find it, that came out just a few hours after SCOTUS ruled on United States v. Windsor.

The article basically compared problems in the gay community (lots of anonymous sex, lack of protection used, and drugs) to problems in urban black communities (lots of anonymous sex, lack of protection used, and drugs... yeah) and how these problems were ignored and down played by advocates of equal rights because it was already a uphill battle getting equality without the community being smeared by elitist uptight dicks who jumped at every opportunity to present any failing of group as a massive indictment and justification to discriminate. They deserved equal rights and always have, but now that DOMA was struck down the author wanted people to start being more open about the problems in the community itself and start addressing them rather than continuing to downplay them to achieve political goals.

There is a problem in the gay community with anonymous sex, lack of protection, and drugs. There's a reason why HIV spread so much more rapidly among homosexual men than other demographics and we're at the point now where we really shouldn't be ignoring that this is a real problem. It's gotten much better since the 80s and 90s. Awareness has spread. More men have realized that just because you can't get another guy pregnant doesn't mean you shouldn't follow the rules of safe sex. The problem however persists, particularly in the party and club scene that is dedicated to the gay community were drug use is a bit higher than the norm and thus people aren't in full use of their faculties.

These things aren't bigoted to say, because these problems are real and denying them doesn't make them go away anymore than trying to deny the rights of gay men and women. People shouldn't have to fight for their rights as hard as they seem to have to in this country. It's pathetic and disgraceful how far Americans will go to treat other Americans like garbage (this thread seems a fitting testament), but if it becomes bigoted to say "this is a real problem" then we've reached a much worse point than casual dismissal of basic human decency. At that point we're just pandering. If you care about people you fight for them, and that includes telling them things they might not want to hear.

I don't know if August Aimes was a bigot. I do know she didn't deserve to be treated that way because no one should be treated that way. Sure as hell no one should be applauding her death as some kind of victory.

I read a blog post a number of years ago, written by an HIV positive gay man, and it scared the hell out of me, because it was a perfect encapsulation of how high the threat is for the homosexual community. To paraphrase it, he was talking about despite knowing he was HIV positive, he'd frequently visit bathhouses, and participate in unprotected gay sex with men, without telling them that he was HIV positive. He did it because he'd know that if he did tell them, they'd never agree to have sex with him. The physical pleasure was more important to him then someone else's life. When we see that 2% of our population accounts for 70% of new cases every year, it kind of struck me that this person wasn't an odd-man out type of situation.

It is a sad situation, but on the plus side, it seems that the number of transmissions is going down. So while the demographics haven't been changing that much, the number of new cases have been seeing a significant drop, so hopefully more are taking the threat seriously.

Yeah those kinds of suck feths exist out there. Did we just have a major court trial recently about a man who knowingly infected numerous women?

 LordofHats wrote:
Yeah those kinds of suck feths exist out there. Did we just have a major court trial recently about a man who knowingly infected numerous women?

Yeah, a couple of years ago I think.

 djones520 wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
Yeah those kinds of suck feths exist out there. Did we just have a major court trial recently about a man who knowingly infected numerous women?

Yeah, a couple of years ago I think.

I could swear I heard about something more recent, and I did but it was in Italy. The American case I think I'm thinking of is Nushawn Williams who was up for parole for his crimes in 2010 after being convicted in 1998.

 LordofHats wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
Yeah those kinds of suck feths exist out there. Did we just have a major court trial recently about a man who knowingly infected numerous women?

Yeah, a couple of years ago I think.

I could swear I heard about something more recent, and I did but it was in Italy. The American case I think I'm thinking of is Nushawn Williams who was up for parole for his crimes in 2010 after being convicted in 1998.

24 years is not long enough for inflicting life long torture on other human beings.

Holy crap... California just pass a law no longer making the knowing transmission of HIV a felony. That is just...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/10/09/knowingly-infecting-others-with-hiv-is-no-longer-a-felony-in-california-advocates-say-it-targeted-sex-workers/?utm_term=.ff7b797d6828

I agree. Unfortunately some judges and lawyers have noted that our laws don't exactly cover this kind of thing well making it iffy to prosecute. The Army actually dragged up an old anti-gay law (crimes against nature) when a soldier who was ordered to inform any partners of his being HiV positive ignored the order, had sex with a high school kid, and passed the disease to him. The only other charge was "assault with a deadly weapon" which carried a light sentence but throwing in "crimes against nature" (an archaic law against anal sex) allowed the court to send him to a military prison for 40 years. So yeah. He's probably doing just dandy. It was a huge scandal the last year I was at Bragg. Everyone was talking about it, which really sucked cause this guy was married with kids.


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 djones520 wrote:
Holy crap... California just pass a law no longer making the knowing transmission of HIV a felony. That is just...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/10/09/knowingly-infecting-others-with-hiv-is-no-longer-a-felony-in-california-advocates-say-it-targeted-sex-workers/?utm_term=.ff7b797d6828

To be fair DJ, there is a valid point there. The knowing transmission of a lot of potentially deadly diseases isn't treated as a felony and some of those are even more immediately deadly than HIV (a point mentioned in the article linked). I think that's a valid point, especially since California can still charge offenders with assault, which in the state of California includes knowingly passing diseases/toxins to others.

I agree, but the answer in this case isn't "Well, the laws don't equally cover all things, so we're just going to get rid of the ones we have."

There were fair points in how the law was used to unfairly target those who didn't even know they had the disease, so change the law to ensure it doesn't do that, don't just get rid of it, like they effectively did.

What a waste...
Porn takes a heavy toll on the girls, and they tend to age a lot faster than they should.
So... Yeah.

 djones520 wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
This is going to delve towards politics but I think it has to be said. There was a very good article, from the New York Times I think see if I can find it, that came out just a few hours after SCOTUS ruled on United States v. Windsor.

The article basically compared problems in the gay community (lots of anonymous sex, lack of protection used, and drugs) to problems in urban black communities (lots of anonymous sex, lack of protection used, and drugs... yeah) and how these problems were ignored and down played by advocates of equal rights because it was already a uphill battle getting equality without the community being smeared by elitist uptight dicks who jumped at every opportunity to present any failing of group as a massive indictment and justification to discriminate. They deserved equal rights and always have, but now that DOMA was struck down the author wanted people to start being more open about the problems in the community itself and start addressing them rather than continuing to downplay them to achieve political goals.

There is a problem in the gay community with anonymous sex, lack of protection, and drugs. There's a reason why HIV spread so much more rapidly among homosexual men than other demographics and we're at the point now where we really shouldn't be ignoring that this is a real problem. It's gotten much better since the 80s and 90s. Awareness has spread. More men have realized that just because you can't get another guy pregnant doesn't mean you shouldn't follow the rules of safe sex. The problem however persists, particularly in the party and club scene that is dedicated to the gay community were drug use is a bit higher than the norm and thus people aren't in full use of their faculties.

These things aren't bigoted to say, because these problems are real and denying them doesn't make them go away anymore than trying to deny the rights of gay men and women. People shouldn't have to fight for their rights as hard as they seem to have to in this country. It's pathetic and disgraceful how far Americans will go to treat other Americans like garbage (this thread seems a fitting testament), but if it becomes bigoted to say "this is a real problem" then we've reached a much worse point than casual dismissal of basic human decency. At that point we're just pandering. If you care about people you fight for them, and that includes telling them things they might not want to hear.

I don't know if August Aimes was a bigot. I do know she didn't deserve to be treated that way because no one should be treated that way. Sure as hell no one should be applauding her death as some kind of victory.

I read a blog post a number of years ago, written by an HIV positive gay man, and it scared the hell out of me, because it was a perfect encapsulation of how high the threat is for the homosexual community. To paraphrase it, he was talking about despite knowing he was HIV positive, he'd frequently visit bathhouses, and participate in unprotected gay sex with men, without telling them that he was HIV positive. He did it because he'd know that if he did tell them, they'd never agree to have sex with him. The physical pleasure was more important to him then someone else's life. When we see that 2% of our population accounts for 70% of new cases every year, it kind of struck me that this person wasn't an odd-man out type of situation.

It is a sad situation, but on the plus side, it seems that the number of transmissions is going down. So while the demographics haven't been changing that much, the number of new cases have been seeing a significant drop, so hopefully more are taking the threat seriously.

I saw a documentary on PBS a few years back about AIDS and in one of the segments, gay people spoke of having hundreds of partners in bathhouses in the space of months and having to deal with multiple diseases as well as worrying about AIDS in that time span.
In another documentary, Stephan Fry was astonished when he learned of gay men who intentionally contracted AIDS and shared it with others who wanted to be infected. Their term for it was, "the gift".

From Stephan Fry's documentary:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5Kl-kDJ2Qh4

Reading through some of this. Don't you love the internet?

These asshats that harassed her need hanged. In a public, and preferably live streamed manner, so the rest of the internet's donkey-caves get the idea.

People complain about guns, but this gak has killed a lot of people, and no one says gak.

I'm not a huge fan of the porno industry despite having watched some of it before (including at least one video with August Ames), but what happened to this lady is absolutely horrendous. No one should be bullied to the point of killing themselves. The bullies should all be charged with conspiracy to murder, or accessories to the crime, or something. This should happen with any and all bullying that leads to suicide, no matter the circumstances. No one should get pushed over the edge like that. While I do find suicide to be a cowardly act (I'd be far more likely to take out my bullies with me at least if it came to that, heaven forbid it ever does), there should be consequences for people who cause it or influence someone to make that choice.

R.I.P. August Ames, and my condolences to her family and friends in this difficult time. Truly a tragedy for someone to die so young.

She was also apparently sexually molested by her grandfather as a child and her father didn't believe her. Sounds like she went straight from childhood abuse to pornography. It's not an uncommon story.

Sadly someone in that situation is most likely not going to get any meaningful help.

This incident is a microcosm of the current state of our culture and political discourse. In today's climate, the only things that matter are identity and ascribed intent. Not facts, context, methods or outcomes. If you are part of (or claim to speak for) identity group x, claiming grievance y against identity group z, anything is justified on behalf of your indignation and catharsis. The outcome doesn't matter. The methods you use don't matter. Only your righteousness and status as some kind of victim or victims' advocate matters. And I am not singling out the left here, because the right does it too. Pedophilia is justified as long as you're taking the establishment elite to task on behalf of the "forgotten man", just as bullying, threats, de-platforming, harassment and actual violence are justified if you're acting on the grievances of identity group x. It's all the same game.

Play that game long enough, and there will be blowback. The #MeToo movement, for example, is in danger of repeating the same kind of mistakes that Title IX enforcement has been making on college campuses. When you create a world where the only thing that matters is some kind of arbitrary identity, and everyone who is not of that identity is automatically subject to punitive measures as well as personal attack, professional ruin and loss of access to public resources, eventually people realize that whatever actual oppression was happening before has now just shifted into another type of oppressive environment. Civil rights movements are very important and they have shaped our history for the better, but instances like this only serve to undo the progress they have made by wreaking havoc in their names.

I don't think this climate can last forever. Something's got to give at some point. The question is, what will things look like when we pass to the other side? Things like this can very easily start the pendulum swinging in the other direction, in which case we're back where we started. I can only hope, though not with much conviction, that we all choose not to violate each others' rights, not because we're from identity group x or y, but because we're all human beings.

Waitwaitwait...who said Pedophelia is justified???

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Waitwaitwait...who said Pedophelia is justified???

Well no one is outright saying it but I trust you'll know the person to whom I refer.

 Luciferian wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Waitwaitwait...who said Pedophelia is justified???

Well no one is outright saying it but I trust you'll know the person to whom I refer.

Perhaps you are unaware feigned obtuseness is a popular debate tactic in the OT?

I'm not really sure what you mean.

 Luciferian wrote:
I don't think this climate can last forever. Something's got to give at some point. The question is, what will things look like when we pass to the other side? Things like this can very easily start the pendulum swinging in the other direction, in which case we're back where we started. I can only hope, though not with much conviction, that we all choose not to violate each others' rights, not because we're from identity group x or y, but because we're all human beings.

Humans are a tribal species, we have been for thousands of years. I think the only thing that's different now is our ability to find tribes and communicate about it. Religion, geography, place of birth, skin color, sexual orientation...doesn't matter. I really think anyone who thinks this is a political movement or new really is just ignoring history...often for political purposes. Personally, I've heard a few Trumpette idiots citing it as reason for their horrible voting behaviors. And, frankly, we've done far worse things in the name of tribalism than having people be part of the "me, too" movement.

TBH, I think it's good. The more numerous and specific groups there are, the more people are forced to interact with each other's participation in those groups - over-generalization gets punished. And when you're in that situation, each one starts to matter incrementally less in the long run.

 Luciferian wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Waitwaitwait...who said Pedophelia is justified???

Well no one is outright saying it but I trust you'll know the person to whom I refer.

I don't believe there's any poster here who thinks that.

Relapse wrote:


I don't believe there's any poster here who thinks that.

I also doubt the person to whom I refer posts on Dakka Dakka.

Anyway, forget it. You'll either know what I'm talking about or you won't, and I can't delve too far into it according to the forum rules. My point is that injustice begets injustice, no matter what cause it is done for.

 Luciferian wrote:
I'm not really sure what you mean.

What I mean is I think nearly everyone here knows exactly what you mean. It's a sure way to a locked thread, and not really on-topic, though.

On topic, it's pretty depressing that someone be harassed over who they choose to have, or not have, sex with. What a lousy thing to do.