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I've played a version of the second one. It did okay but I made some mistakes. I just ordered the knight so I haven't been able to test that one.

I've actually got a variation of list 2 also. It removes the bikers and punchy Helbrute and adds a Heldrake and winged lord. I've also been toying with the idea of removing the heldrake for a DP with the new axe relic Skullreaver. Either way I'm gonna have to get some games in in the next few weeks. But just on paper which list would you think I should bring?