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hobojebus wrote:


The only legion where big squads of troops are actually good.

The World eaters would like a word with that.

Jorim wrote:

hobojebus wrote:


The only legion where big squads of troops are actually good.

The World eaters would like a word with that.

Yeah.... I can confirm 20 man blobs of Inductii will eat through nearly anything fleshy and glance to death most things not.

hobojebus wrote:

The only legion where big squads of troops are actually good.

I'd argue Raven Guard as well. On the right table that's a large unit in the face very quickly

I agree with the rule that as long as you have made an effort to make your army look 30k, and not 100% 40k, it should be good. That saying you should at least have your army wear armour that isn't MK 7. MK 2-6 should be the default. Even if you file off the aquilla from the armour, you should either have a lot of other armour types in your army or be Blackshield or something.

I'd like to just mention that I personally don't mind the MK 7 helmet in HH armies. The Mantilla and Serum pattern helmets were in pretty common circulation, not only to the Sons of Horus and World Eaters, but to everyone. The MK 5 Armour model has the Mantilla style helmet grille as the default head for gosh sake. Below is a quote from the lexicanum, sourced from Book 1 - Betrayal:

Many Mark V suits ended up featuring an unusual helmet design appropriated from supplies generated by the Tactical Dreadnought Armour program; this spin-off helmet featured similar levels of improved auto-senses as Terminator suits, but was still found to be inferior to those of Mark IV suits.[1] The respirator used for this helmet was codified as the Mantilla-pattern, and saw use as early as late M30.[10]

Below are images of Sons of Horus, World Eater and MK 5 armour showing the distinctive Grille.









My point is that I'd love to see more MK 7 helmets in 30k, because there is precedent and good reason for tonnes of them to be in circulation (MK 5 Heresy Armour for one). Now MK 7 Grille is not the Mantilla Grille, but I say some creative license can be allowed. The HH universe is a big place and maybe the designs for the MK 7 helmet was also used is several other Forgeworlds / Legion manufacturiums around the galaxy. It would be great if you would put some work in the helmets to make them different to MK 7, but ultimately I think its fine to use stock MK 7 helmets. Again, armour is another matter though.

Throwing in my US$0.02...

I don't mind MK VII armor in 30K. There is some fluff and precedent. What I don't like is seeing an entire army that was obviously made for 40K being played in 30K. It's more of a historical game than a lot of people realize. If this was a game about the US Civil War from 1876, then it would look bad to see modern day soldiers on the table fighting Johnny Reb. They might be using the rules of the north, but saying this M-4 with underslung M203 grenade launcher is a musket... yeah...

To me it's as much about unit compositions as the miniatures - special and heavy weapon squads all with the same weapon (I'm not going to insist on 10-man squads because mine only have five ), 20-strong tactical squads, that sort of thing. Using Pride of the Legion and having a load of Veteran squads is a bit dull, IMO.

Of course, playing as Emperor's Children, I don't have the temptation of using the same army in both periods; I'm looking at my unassembled Space Wolves in the Stormclaw box and wondering how to best make them suitable for both.

 Tamwulf wrote:
Throwing in my US$0.02...

I don't mind MK VII armor in 30K. There is some fluff and precedent. What I don't like is seeing an entire army that was obviously made for 40K being played in 30K. It's more of a historical game than a lot of people realize. If this was a game about the US Civil War from 1876, then it would look bad to see modern day soldiers on the table fighting Johnny Reb. They might be using the rules of the north, but saying this M-4 with underslung M203 grenade launcher is a musket... yeah...

I hate seeing a whole army that was obviously built for 40k being used as a 30k army. If people put the effort in to paint them in the correct Legion colors and equip them with the proper equipment then I’m not going to complain about the wrong mark of helmet or Bolter on some Marines. There’s reasons built into the fluff for any Legion to use any mark, especially later in the Heresy. At least in small numbers. Now would it make sense to see a Luna Wolves army in full MK VI armor? Probably not. But if someone built that army and had the fluff that they were loyalists who had raided an Alpha Legion bass to resupply then it would make sense. And if it looked cool that would be the best part!

It also depends on the Legion. If one was doing pre Heresy Emperor’s Children it wouldn’t make sense for them to have mix and match armor. All The same mark, MK IV and older, all in great shape as that would fit the character of the Legion. Now if they were set mid to late Heresy all bets are off.

Or making a Space Wolves Legion army, uniformity doesn’t belong there at all. They are a legion of warriors looking to make their sagas. As long as their equipment works they’re good. Each warrior modifies their gear and wears furs, trinkets and talismans.

Speaking of mkII armor, many legions had large numbers of helmets with single visor eye lenses. Is there any way to get more of that sort of helmet? The mkII set only has 2 out of 5.

Your best bet would be to look a third party supplier, sadly that's the only thing FW sell I can think of with that style of helm in.

 AaronWilson wrote:
Your best bet would be to look a third party supplier, sadly that's the only thing FW sell I can think of with that style of helm in.

Yep, check the usual suspects like Anvil, Kromlech, Puppets War, and Spellcrow.

I visit those vendors fairly often, but unless I have missed something they do not have that sort of helmet.