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2018/01/17 01:13:31
Subject: JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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Fixture of Dakka
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His Master's Voice wrote: Vulcan wrote:
Not really.
After all, a person of the Victorian era would consider them all to be effectively naked.
I think our expectations of what a Barsoomian should look like are shaped by Frank Frazetta more than the Victorian perspective.
And so I too say they're grossly overdressed.
True, Frank did depict the characters as almost literally naked. That's his interpretation. But then, one should remember that Frank didn't sculpt these minis. For that matter, drawing too heavily from the Frazetta paintings would put this startup in danger of being sued out of existence by his estate.
Let's face it, the descriptions in the source material were terribly vague. It mentions 'a brief harness', sometimes heavily ornamented, and otherwise 'practically naked'. That's it. That's what's depicted on these minis... and as I said, a Victorian - which ERB most certainly was - would find them to be practically naked all right.
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2018/01/17 02:43:19
Subject: JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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angel of death 007 wrote:Looks like very nice miniatures but not really interested in a RPG so it is a pass for me. Though I wonder why they do a Kickstarter for this yet let Fallout fall thru without one? makes no sense.
You could back for just the miniatures as well.
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2018/01/17 09:04:30
Subject: JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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Fixture of Dakka
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Frazetta didn't paint those covers until the 70s - twenty years after Borroughs died, and over fifty years since the books were written. You can see the 1st edition cover from 1917 on the Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Carter_of_Mars
Back on topic, I'm not entirely happy with some of the poses, but they look pretty good.
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2018/01/18 00:07:16
Subject: JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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Fixture of Dakka
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I like them too. I wish I had the money to invest.
I wonder if they'd consider doing a Jetan set?
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2018/01/18 18:42:20
Subject: Re:JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Mr Morden wrote:I am hoping someone comes out with a MDF flying skiff for it - love airships.
We'll we're planning tiles of airships so you can battle it out between ships and minis on your tabletop :-)
angel of death 007 wrote:Looks like very nice miniatures but not really interested in a RPG so it is a pass for me. Though I wonder why they do a Kickstarter for this yet let Fallout fall thru without one? makes no sense.
You can certainly just pledge for the miniatures - the basic £25 pledge gets you the Heroes of Barsoom or the £1 pledge let's you choose the add ons you want. This scale reference will show you just how big they are
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2018/01/21 01:01:07
Subject: Re:JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Those Thark dice were unlocked. We've mentioned there will be some ship deck plan tiles coming up and the Swords of Mars book will also contain rules for ship to ship battles where you move around the table top firing batteries at each other, or jump across to fight a boarding action. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/modiphius/john-carter-of-mars-the-roleplaying-game/
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2018/01/21 01:05:36
Subject: JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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The minis are resin, right?
If they were plastic I would probably back for some of them, but the resin part is a buzz kill
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2018/01/21 09:45:32
Subject: JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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Bane Knight
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Carlovonsexron wrote:The minis are resin, right?
If they were plastic I would probably back for some of them, but the resin part is a buzz kill
Minis are indeed resin.
By plastic, do you mean PVC or Styrene? We are getting great results from our resin casting partners, the Star Trek line and the preview Fallout figures we have seen have been top notch (certainly getting good feedback from the community folks we have sent Fallout preview minis to).
Like any medium, resin has its pros and cons, but for the nature of the product it works well for us.
PVC can lack detail and has issues with clean up, and Styrene is a very expensive and technical process to go down. We have ideas for styrene in the future, but at this stage we feel resin in the best medium to work in on our current projects.
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2018/01/21 14:21:22
Subject: Re:JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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Because I am a sad, sad fellow, I went and checked my Penguin copy of A Princess of Mars just to prove that Burroughs really did say they were starkers:
[About Green Martians] "With the exception of their ornaments all were naked." -p. 21
"She [Dejah Thoris] was as destitute of clothes as the green Martians who accompanied her; indeed, save for her highly wrought ornaments she was entirely naked, nor could any apparel have enhanced the beauty of her perfect and symmetrical figure." - p. 45 (And thus a thousand teenage crushes were born.)
And for good measure, a bit of fan disservice:
"...a strange, dried up, little mummy of a man came toward me. He wore but a single article of clothing or adornment, a small collar of gold from which depended upon his chest a great ornament as large as a dinner plate set solid with huge diamonds..." ( pp. 127-8)
Carter also ends up on Mars naked and is kitted out with a Green Martian harness, so... pretty unambiguous, I'd have thought.
Not that I'd expect the minis to follow the style, of course.
People sometimes forget the part about the Martians having a very low libido, too. Which explains why they haven't overpopulated the world. Well, that and killing each other at the drop of a thoat.
This sort of thing crops up in real history when people argue about what the 'quite naked' Tahitians were really wearing when the Bounty visited them, and so on. Did they mean 'almost naked' or 'extremely naked'? Bit of an American/British English divide there.
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2018/01/21 15:36:06
Subject: JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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Haughty Harad Serpent Rider
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Manchu wrote:Awesome! Please post pics of actual miniatures, preferably painted.
I agree. I have yet to buy anything Modiphius makes because everything I see from the promotional imagery for all of their minis are 3d renders. Months and months after one of their products gets released, I might see a random picture of a customer's painted model and I think "oh yes, I forgot that existed".
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2018/01/21 15:42:06
Subject: JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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While I prefer “human sized” models in metal as my first choice and the second choice would be in hard plastic, when resin is cast well I’m good with that. So, I’m all in this Kickstarter for buying the miniatures and PDFs. The renderings look great and I hope the project is a success!
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2018/01/21 16:18:14
Subject: JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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Bane Knight
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judgedoug wrote: Manchu wrote:Awesome! Please post pics of actual miniatures, preferably painted.
I agree. I have yet to buy anything Modiphius makes because everything I see from the promotional imagery for all of their minis are 3d renders. Months and months after one of their products gets released, I might see a random picture of a customer's painted model and I think "oh yes, I forgot that existed".
So, we have now posted shots of the fully studio painted Super Mutants and Brotherhood of Steel from wave 1.1 of Fallout. Survivors are done and awaiting photo editing before we put them up.
Star Trek, our painter did half and then fell ill, so we haven't got a full set to show off yet.
John Carter, the miniatures are sculpted but not yet mastered (the factory is very busy with Star Trek and Fallout in the run up to launch).
Note, this is all explanation not excuse. Things take longer than we would all like, but working with several external partners, things take time.
However, the good news is we recruited a full time studio painter this week, who will be joining us in February. As such, I now have someone I can start to farm all the minis out to, which means we can turn things around a lot faster.
I totally appreciate wanting to see minis not renders, I do to. As ever, we are a small(ish) company, working with a resin manufacturer that is external, so sometimes things take a little longer to get in hand than we would like. Anyone who knows me well, knows I am chasing minis near daily (much to the annoyance of Steve, who manages production), so as soon as I have them, and can show them, you get to see them.
Come Feb, expect to see painted minis coming thick and fast as I get our new recruit on the job. I'm looking forward to seeing what he comes up with.
Also, I'm pushing painted models on boxes and so forth as a priority, but I've only been around for six months, so it takes a little time. Star Trek was all done before I joined the company, hence why it has renders on the box art, but for Fallout and everything else going forward, there should be fully painted box shots as well as the renders for scale on the back. The Achtung! Cthulhu range is all fully painted and as we expand that range, this will continue. Our box set range for that shows fully painted models.
Its good feedback though, gives me more ammo when persuading the team
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2018/01/21 21:36:49
Subject: JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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Super cool. I love pulp sci-fi. (It's one reason why I play AdMech; a lot of the aesthetic choices are informed by atompunk and pulp, and there are all sort of allusions to them, like Radium weapons.)
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2018/01/22 00:06:32
Subject: Re:JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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Fixture of Dakka
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Zenithfleet wrote:Because I am a sad, sad fellow, I went and checked my Penguin copy of A Princess of Mars just to prove that Burroughs really did say they were starkers:
[About Green Martians] "With the exception of their ornaments all were naked." -p. 21
"She [Dejah Thoris] was as destitute of clothes as the green Martians who accompanied her; indeed, save for her highly wrought ornaments she was entirely naked, nor could any apparel have enhanced the beauty of her perfect and symmetrical figure." - p. 45 (And thus a thousand teenage crushes were born.)
And for good measure, a bit of fan disservice:
"...a strange, dried up, little mummy of a man came toward me. He wore but a single article of clothing or adornment, a small collar of gold from which depended upon his chest a great ornament as large as a dinner plate set solid with huge diamonds..." ( pp. 127-8)
Carter also ends up on Mars naked and is kitted out with a Green Martian harness, so... pretty unambiguous, I'd have thought.
Not that I'd expect the minis to follow the style, of course.
People sometimes forget the part about the Martians having a very low libido, too. Which explains why they haven't overpopulated the world. Well, that and killing each other at the drop of a thoat.
This sort of thing crops up in real history when people argue about what the 'quite naked' Tahitians were really wearing when the Bounty visited them, and so on. Did they mean 'almost naked' or 'extremely naked'? Bit of an American/British English divide there.
Given the typical Victorian would consider modern swimsuits to be 'naked'...
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2018/01/22 11:13:14
Subject: Re:JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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Vulcan wrote:Zenithfleet wrote:Because I am a sad, sad fellow, I went and checked my Penguin copy of A Princess of Mars just to prove that Burroughs really did say they were starkers:
[About Green Martians] "With the exception of their ornaments all were naked." -p. 21
"She [Dejah Thoris] was as destitute of clothes as the green Martians who accompanied her; indeed, save for her highly wrought ornaments she was entirely naked, nor could any apparel have enhanced the beauty of her perfect and symmetrical figure." - p. 45 (And thus a thousand teenage crushes were born.)
And for good measure, a bit of fan disservice:
"...a strange, dried up, little mummy of a man came toward me. He wore but a single article of clothing or adornment, a small collar of gold from which depended upon his chest a great ornament as large as a dinner plate set solid with huge diamonds..." ( pp. 127-8)
Carter also ends up on Mars naked and is kitted out with a Green Martian harness, so... pretty unambiguous, I'd have thought.
Not that I'd expect the minis to follow the style, of course.
People sometimes forget the part about the Martians having a very low libido, too. Which explains why they haven't overpopulated the world. Well, that and killing each other at the drop of a thoat.
This sort of thing crops up in real history when people argue about what the 'quite naked' Tahitians were really wearing when the Bounty visited them, and so on. Did they mean 'almost naked' or 'extremely naked'? Bit of an American/British English divide there.
Given the typical Victorian would consider modern swimsuits to be 'naked'...
But stuff like " He wore but a single article of clothing or adornment, a small collar of gold" it's pretty unambiguous. Sometimes when they said "naked" they actually meant "naked". Boggles the mind, I know.
Plus, there's also the fact that even though John Carter was the main character, neither Edgar Rice Burroughs nor his expected audience were, in fact, victorian people. So one should probably take that into account, regarding descriptions. Probaby if a man of the 40s wrote "He wore but a single article of clothing or adornment", he meant basically that. I mean, it's not like they didn't know what pin ups were or anything.
Anyways, not that it actually matters.
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2018/01/22 13:44:13
Subject: Re:JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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Albertorius wrote:
But stuff like " He wore but a single article of clothing or adornment, a small collar of gold" it's pretty unambiguous. Sometimes when they said "naked" they actually meant "naked". Boggles the mind, I know.
Plus, there's also the fact that even though John Carter was the main character, neither Edgar Rice Burroughs nor his expected audience were, in fact, victorian people. So one should probably take that into account, regarding descriptions. Probaby if a man of the 40s wrote "He wore but a single article of clothing or adornment", he meant basically that. I mean, it's not like they didn't know what pin ups were or anything.
Anyways, not that it actually matters.
1920s, actually. But your point stands.
Even the Victorians were quite familiar with nudity in 'primitive' cultures. They were great explorers, after all. Plus, you know, all that dubious colonial history in places like South Africa and Australia.
On a somewhat more relevant note, I really like that Thark mini. Is it based on the movie version? I can't quite tell (but I liked the movie Tharks too).
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2018/01/22 16:52:40
Subject: JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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Haughty Harad Serpent Rider
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JonWebb wrote:
So, we have now posted shots of the fully studio painted Super Mutants and Brotherhood of Steel from wave 1.1 of Fallout. Survivors are done and awaiting photo editing before we put them up.
Star Trek, our painter did half and then fell ill, so we haven't got a full set to show off yet.
John Carter, the miniatures are sculpted but not yet mastered (the factory is very busy with Star Trek and Fallout in the run up to launch).
Note, this is all explanation not excuse. Things take longer than we would all like, but working with several external partners, things take time.
That's good to know. so the John Carter minis are not actually completed yet, just the renders are done.
when did the Star Trek minis get released? Was that about six months ago or so?
Thanks for the clarifications!
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2018/01/22 19:04:29
Subject: JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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Bane Knight
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judgedoug wrote: JonWebb wrote:
So, we have now posted shots of the fully studio painted Super Mutants and Brotherhood of Steel from wave 1.1 of Fallout. Survivors are done and awaiting photo editing before we put them up.
Star Trek, our painter did half and then fell ill, so we haven't got a full set to show off yet.
John Carter, the miniatures are sculpted but not yet mastered (the factory is very busy with Star Trek and Fallout in the run up to launch).
Note, this is all explanation not excuse. Things take longer than we would all like, but working with several external partners, things take time.
That's good to know. so the John Carter minis are not actually completed yet, just the renders are done.
when did the Star Trek minis get released? Was that about six months ago or so?
Thanks for the clarifications!
John Carter range is sculpted but not yet mastered, correct. They are now unlocked though, which means we now have the justification to go to print on them (not that Chris needs any justification, trust me )
Star Trek minis were released around GenCon for wave 1, we have more coming soon (Sam just got his hands on the first run of the next box set, generic away teams).
They have just jumped up the queue for when our painter starts next month, so that we can get them on the box art and into promo shots.
Cheers
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2018/01/25 21:04:30
Subject: Re:JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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We just added some 3d turnarounds to the miniatures page - click here https://www.modiphius.com/john-carter-miniatures.html
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2018/01/26 05:21:06
Subject: Re:JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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Fixture of Dakka
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Well. That certainly tells the tale.
Those miniatures are about as naked as you can get and still have something you can use in public.
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2018/01/26 17:46:41
Subject: JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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Carlovonsexron wrote:The minis are resin, right?
If they were plastic I would probably back for some of them, but the resin part is a buzz kill
Your choice. I know for years I resisted the move from old fashioned metal miniatures to injection molded hard plastic (admittedly, in the early days the hard plastic miniatures were pretty bad). Now, I prefer plastic when I can get it. I like resin, too, though. Many companies are producing great looking miniatures in resin these days. My only real hang up with resin is it tends to be a bit more fragile than either metal or hard plastic.
Right now, my preferences tend to be:
Hard Plastic > Metal > Resin > 3D Printed >>>>>> Soft Plastic.
YMMV, of course!
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2018/01/26 18:04:10
Subject: JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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Some of those models are great.
However, not sure why they have an Elvis of Mars model.
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2018/01/26 19:21:27
Subject: JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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2018/01/27 00:37:59
Subject: JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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JBSchroeds wrote: draugadan wrote:Some of those models are great.
However, not sure why they have an Elvis of Mars model.
It's not out really of place for a Civil War era soldier. Here's a picture of Stonewall Jackson rocking almost the same look:
Yes, that is historically accurate.
Nothing about John Carter of Mars is historically accurate. I'm pretty sure there aren't 4 armed green people walking around Mars.
This is one of my favorite series of books. I first read them in the 1970's.
That model with the side burns (to me) looks silly. I don't care what Victorians thought, or how a civil war officer groomed himself. That is a silly looking, non-heroic model.
This is how I envision John Carter (Complete with side burns, and still doesn't look like Elvis):
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2018/02/03 15:13:05
Subject: Re:JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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2018/02/03 16:27:23
Subject: Re:JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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The pose is much better. But he still looks like Elvis sadly.
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2018/02/04 00:18:06
Subject: JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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Eh. If you've got a good, sharp knife those sideburns will come off. It's just resin, after all.
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2018/02/04 16:51:11
Subject: JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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Vulcan wrote:Eh. If you've got a good, sharp knife those sideburns will come off. It's just resin, after all.
I finally figured it out. It isn't the side burns (the picture I posted above has side burns).
The issue is that the face (to me) looks like Fred Gwynne. He is a great actor, but... isn't a role I'd pick him for.
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2018/02/04 17:46:20
Subject: Re:JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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It doesn't make me think of Elvis so I'm fine with the face and sideburns.
I was hoping for a good 2 footed stance after seeing the leaping ballerina pose. My only problem is that this version has the GW-spread-your-legs-wide-itus disease. :-(
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2018/02/04 22:48:14
Subject: Re:JOHN CARTER OF MARS Kickstarter - RPG + [Miniatures]
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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Gimgamgoo wrote: It doesn't make me think of Elvis so I'm fine with the face and sideburns. I was hoping for a good 2 footed stance after seeing the leaping ballerina pose. My only problem is that this version has the GW-spread-your-legs-wide-itus disease. :-(
Spreading your legs out in combat is pretty much mandatory though. At least, if you don't want to get knocked of balance and killed of course. Lots of miniatures out there show poor footwork. I don't really like the hairstyle though. I liked comic John Carter and movie John Carter hairstyles more.
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