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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
What about content of classes? I hated so much of my required clases. But I was required to take them being taught by boring teachers. Like, I never got the fun classes.


In my experience, that tends to happen a lot when the lesson plans and timing are dictated to the teachers. I've known a lot of teachers who came into the classroom full of fun, fresh ways to approach the material who ended up reading power points and teaching to the tests.


Not sure about the US, but what with pay progression being tied to results, teaching-to-test is what you’re going to get because results are all that matters.

It’s a joke, if you get given a GCSE class in their last year you’re the only one that is held accountable for their results for your pay progression. The teaching in years before you is not considered. If you get a class that’s had endless supply teachers and disruption through year 9 and 10, you get them in Year 11 and are expected to make them achieve their target grades - which are based on what they started secondary school aged 11. You risk being shafted because you can’t catch up two years work and hit all their targets. So you teach to test because ta the only way to avoid gak being flung at you.
   
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Well, the original post was about “data”, what does the “data” mean and how can we change the outcome. So the original post makes it seem like a serious discussion based on “data”, and in that regard there is no problem pointing out that the “data” is basically useless.

If it’s a simple “kids are less happy that they were before” question, it didn’t need all the data talk. And even then it’s still a somewhat useless question because “kids are more unhappy, how can we fix that” is not a useful question without any indication about what is driving the change in responses.

That’s why people, or at least why I, keep on asking for more data from the actual research that produced the numbers in the post. A change in response alone is not a very good driver for useful discussion, and it just results in random guesses and speculations.

So I guess kids are less happy now because more kids have peanut allergies and they can’t bring homemade PB&Js to school. That decreases their happiness, makes them feel like they can’t fit in with classmates who have allergies, but wouldn’t affect graduation rates. So it explains every number from the original question.


Fair enough. That perspective makes sense. Thanks for responding even though I came across as a bit of a numpty.

If I go too much into the methodology, it will be super obvious who I work for and I am pretty sure my own company would prefer if I did not go into all the gory details online for the sake of this discussion.


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My biggest challenge at high school was do my homework on time. I had a job in a restaurant after classes so I was too tired once I got home to write anything though I always did all the reading part to understand material.

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I dunno, seems to me that actual *schoolwork* factors are probably an issue in some districts. They are in mine. They lean on these kids hard right from the start so that they can get the test scores that the district needs. Homework in 1st and 2nd grade. Ten minutes of recess. Math tutors in 4th grade. I could go on and on about the gak we've seen. After 10, 11, 12 years of that, it's not a surprise to me that kids don't like school.

High school suicides are a problem in our district. And in at least some of the cases, they've been related to *school itself*, not relationships, bullying, etc. So now the district has been barraging the parents and students about mindfulness and handling stress. They know what's up.

None of this seems fun to me. In fact, it seems pretty horrible. High school has always sucked, but at least we had some easy, fun years to start that didn't sour us on learning. We weren't burnt out like kids are these days. Again, at least where I live.

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My biggest challenge at high school was do my homework on time. I had a job in a restaurant after classes so I was too tired once I got home to write anything though I always did all the reading part to understand material.


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