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 Yodhrin wrote:
Aye, and also this isn't the bad old days when Lucas would basically let anyone write anything because he didn't consider it "real" Star Wars - the books are approved by the same story group as the TV shows and the film scripts, there is no EU now, no tiers, if they release it it's canon unless otherwise stated.

Approved by the same story group... Oh dear.

Technically speaking the EU was mostly approved by a "story group" (aka Keeper of the Holocron), and the writers by an large managed to maintain overwhelming consistency across the EU without his help.

The issue had nothing to do with tiers, but rather a completely inability on Lucas' part to let his work sit as was.

I loved those bad old days, I'm currently re-reading the short story compilations Tales From the Empire and Tales from the New Republic (both drawn from the best of West End Games' Adventure Journal). Lots of little tidbits to flesh the galaxy out.

The new books I'm finding a mixed bag. Thrawn and Tarkin were pretty good, but then they're also set in the OT era and focus on the power structure and military of the Empire, which is both cool and underused. The Aftermath trilogy was just dire though. It felt more like it was written to justify the poorly realised (and explained) state of The Force Awaken's galaxy rather than a story in its own right.

Probably because that's exactly what it was. Too bad they didn't hire Diane Carey, though.

(Her Enterprise Time's Bow novelization is infamous for how much of her feeling that "this is beyond stupid" made it through.)

 Easy E wrote:
FFG better hope it is set in the Rebellion era of the Galactic Empire so they can squeeze more units and stuff out of it!

Lucasfilm has proven that they won't do anything risky, so it's going to be the Gal Civ war forevermore.

New news!

It's set 7 years after Return of the Jedi.

http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/tv/star-wars/55857/star-wars-live-action-tv-show-news

Bit ad heavy, but link is there if you want it.

Hopefully Infinity War bulldozing TLJ into the dust will have slackened Kennedy's grip to the point Jon will get to tell a good tale with too much hamfisted discordant 'equality' being forced on him

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
Hopefully Infinity War bulldozing TLJ into the dust will have slackened Kennedy's grip to the point Jon will get to tell a good tale with too much hamfisted discordant 'equality' being forced on him

Right, because it was the "equality" portion of things that made TLJ not great...

Turnip Jedi wrote:Hopefully Infinity War bulldozing TLJ into the dust will have slackened Kennedy's grip to the point Jon will get to tell a good tale with too much hamfisted discordant 'equality' being forced on him

Kanluwen wrote:

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
Hopefully Infinity War bulldozing TLJ into the dust will have slackened Kennedy's grip to the point Jon will get to tell a good tale with too much hamfisted discordant 'equality' being forced on him

Right, because it was the "equality" portion of things that made TLJ not great...

Yeah the equality stuff wasn't bad. Holdo as a man still would have been an awful character.

Pretty much everything wrong with TLJ comes down to plot and tonal dissonance. Absolutely none of it had anything to do with any "equality" stuff. People harping on that high horse are at this point saying more about themselves than Kennedy.

The only real problem the 'equality' stuff brought to the table was a burning need to tear male characters down to give weakly-written female characters the illusion of strength.

A better written story would have avoided that problem.

 LordofHats wrote:
Absolutely none of it had anything to do with any "equality" stuff. People harping on that high horse are at this point saying more about themselves than Kennedy.

Agree 100%.

 Vulcan wrote:
The only real problem the 'equality' stuff brought to the table was a burning need to tear male characters down to give weakly-written female characters the illusion of strength.

Disagree 100%.

I don't even think we can call Holdo a bad character.

Holdo is like Kathrine Janeway. The character was screwed from the outside, not because she was a bad character, but because her character was always subject to the plot's needs. She was a device to drive said plot forward from start to finish and never really a character in the vein of the main cast. Claiming that a male character was torn down for a weakly written female character is laughable. If anything a potentially strong female character was held hostage to teach a weakly written male character a really ambiguous, and in hindsight stupid, moral lesson. EDIT: And yes. A better written story would have avoided it.

Regarding Holdo I suspect at some point there was a spy on the ship subplot which got lost in development ,but Holdo's character didn't change enough to reflect that, or could have just swapped Finn and Poe arcs so that her unwillingness to share the plan with a former FO Stormtrooper make a degree of sense rather the Jar-Jaring his character suffers cos Rose

This thread is for discussion of the forthcoming Star Wars life action TV series.

The one Jon Favreau is involved in, and looks to be set 7 years after Return of the Jedi.

So why are people insisting on expressing the same tired opinions (on all sides) about The Last Jedi?

Seriously. Just stop.

Mostly because there is little to no information on the show, so discussing SW in general fills the space until more information shows up.

Because with little to no info some speculation based is the current state of the franchise is pretty much all we got.

I think Jon should be allowed to do as he wants with minimal meddling from 'above' and hopefully we'll get something cool, as excessive meddling like I said prior will result another CW style supershow with the Star Wars flavoured trappings and scooby squad trying far too hard to be Firefly YA edition

I'm cautiously optimistic but more excited about Resistance

I'm interested to see what sort of demograph/s it's pitched at.

I mean, the risk if they're going for a darker tone is it ends up like Torchwood, where the 'maturity' was random 'how's yer father' and really poor use of swearing. I'm not adverse to either in any given show, but Torchwood just got that wrong (Miracle Day and Children of Earth are however pretty excellent)

Jon managed to "invent" the Marvel universe by kicking it off with Iron Man 1 and 2; therefore I think he can do good with this.

I am interested in more stories set in the Star Wars universe, without having to deal with the "Big Skywalker Arcs".

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Lucasfilm has proven that they won't do anything risky,

I would have agreed before TLJ. Now I think there is some argument to be made (although only some) about this. OTOH they also put JJ back on Episode IX so maybe "lesson learned"? Anyhow:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
so it's going to be the Gal Civ war forevermore.

I think Disney/LucasFilm really wants to do more with the Prequels. People who were small children when they came out seem to think they are OK movies. And the Clone Wars series already went a long way toward rehabilitating that "era" of the IP.

 Manchu wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Lucasfilm has proven that they won't do anything risky,

I would have agreed before TLJ. Now I think there is some argument to be made (although only some) about this. OTOH they also put JJ back on Episode IX so maybe "lesson learned"? Anyhow:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
so it's going to be the Gal Civ war forevermore.

I think Disney/LucasFilm really wants to do more with the Prequels. People who were small children when they came out seem to think they are OK movies. And the Clone Wars series already went a long way toward rehabilitating that "era" of the IP.

I'd be interested to know why you've come to that view, given nothing I've seen indicates it so far. After the conclusion of the Clone Wars show they haven't seemed interested in it at all, it's all been Rise of the Empire-era, GCW-era, and Sequel-era. I wouldn't object like, I'll take the PT-era over ST stuff any day(though I prefer RotE/GCW stuff given a choice), it's distinctive and offers the chance to tell some interesting stories that aren't visual and thematic retreads of the OT, not-as-smart-as-it-likes-to-think deconstructionism, or the turgid snorefest that was a lot of the actual PT films, I'm just not seeing any indication it's coming.

Of course, the idea of locking a scifi legend behind a paywall is not exactly a new one....this is, after all, exactly what CBS/Paramount did to Star Trek with Discovery. To say that action was divisive would be to put it mildly. It alienated a lot of people, who never even gave the show a chance when their only way to see it was paying $5-10/month for CBS All Access, at least in the US.

It's all always behind a paywall. You pay for cable, or you buy a season box set, or you pay a streaming service, or you pay your internet. None of this gak has ever been anything but behind a pay wall.

 Lance845 wrote:
It's all always behind a paywall. You pay for cable, or you buy a season box set, or you pay a streaming service, or you pay your internet. None of this gak has ever been anything but behind a pay wall.

That's a nonsense and you know that fine well. One of the huge selling points of this whole "streaming revolution" thing was an end to the grotesqueries of the old cable model, and buying a boxed set that you then own forever is an entirely different proposition to paying to access a service that remains entirely outside your control.

But hey, that's fine, if they want to go back to being greedy, people will just go back to rampant media piracy and in ten years or so they'll have to come to the same realisations all over again.

If I pay for 4 10$ streaming services I am still paying over 60$ less than having cable. Which is why I don't have cable. I am happy to pay for the streaming services.

I'm not going to pay $10 a month to see ONE show unless I'm sure I'm going to like it... a LOT.

Star Wars no longer brings that certainty.

Well I mean, unless this show was being updated weekly instead of getting a regular season order, I don't think you need to get more than 1-2 months of the service then drop it. So $10-20 isn't too bad.

Just wait for it on DVD if you want to.