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pm713 wrote:
Skarbrand tried to kill Khorne. Pretty sure that qualifies as free will.

Khorne cares not from where the blood flows, just skulls for the throne.

As such, it totally makes sense that one aspect of Khorne would attack the rest.

Indeed, Skarbrand was the most powerful daemon of Khorne, so in some respects this is an example of Khorne removing his own head.

His own skull is on the throne.

Indeed.

Khorne is inherently a self destructive entity. His hunger for blood and skulls, if left unchecked, would result in the death of all life in the universe . . . which would mean an end to Khorne . . .

Either he knows and doesn't care or his hate and lust for destruction extends to all creatures, including Khorne.

IMO Daemons do not have free will. If they did a Bloodletter could chose to be a pacifist, or a Keeper of Secrets could chose to indulge in moderation.

 Denny wrote:

IMO Daemons do not have free will. If they did a Bloodletter could chose to be a pacifist, or a Keeper of Secrets could chose to indulge in moderation.

This is exactly my point. Daemons cannot deny their "programming".
They are more like sophisticated AI, rather than true intelligence that can make decisions of their own will.
They have set responses to situations.

Free will is being able to choice A, B, C or D
Sometimes a Daemon can only choose D, even if A, B or C are available options. That is not "free" will.

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All daemons are lesser extensions of their gods. As far as I have read lesser daemons have no free will. Greater Daemons have some. Daemon Princes do have free will but are driven by a need to please their god, so it's a bit of a false free will in that they can do as they want, but it is all directed towards empowering their god. At least that's my understanding.

 Denny wrote:


Either he knows and doesn't care or his hate and lust for destruction extends to all creatures, including Khorne.

feth the world
For all its worth
Every inch
Of Planet Earth

feth myself
Don't leave me out
We are all human
Afterall

Khorne is metal. This we know.

Daemons are supernatural creatures created by raw emotions and psyche of a concentrated form, though they may rely on the emotions of organisms they have none of their biological and intellectual drives. I believe daemons, fresh Bloodletters, Nurglings etc. do not having anything approaching human free will, however you interpret that. Even if they have some modicum of independent thought it is in a very narrow sense due to their nature. By definition they are one dimensional, at least in being created.

Now a particular daemon that stays in a recognisable form (rather than returning to the Immaterium and being churned back into the general psychic soup) will have life experiences, have time to consider things even if it is just "what if we slaughtered them this way" as it becomes a 'person' for lack of a better term. Combine that with reflected emotions in the warp such as envy, ambition, egotism and I don't think its shocking some will mature into more complicated entities. But if you're reliant on the thoughts and feelings of normal creatures to not simply have a particular drive but to exist at all I think it makes comparison to sentient organisms quite difficult.

Your run of the mill fresh daemon has no more basis for free will than the Immaterium itself because five seconds ago that's what they were.

Do you have free will?

Can you prove it?

 Jape wrote:

Daemons are supernatural creatures created by raw emotions and psyche of a concentrated form, though they may rely on the emotions of organisms they have none of their biological and intellectual drives. I believe daemons, fresh Bloodletters, Nurglings etc. do not having anything approaching human free will, however you interpret that. Even if they have some modicum of independent thought it is in a very narrow sense due to their nature. By definition they are one dimensional, at least in being created.

Now a particular daemon that stays in a recognisable form (rather than returning to the Immaterium and being churned back into the general psychic soup) will have life experiences, have time to consider things even if it is just "what if we slaughtered them this way" as it becomes a 'person' for lack of a better term. Combine that with reflected emotions in the warp such as envy, ambition, egotism and I don't think its shocking some will mature into more complicated entities. But if you're reliant on the thoughts and feelings of normal creatures to not simply have a particular drive but to exist at all I think it makes comparison to sentient organisms quite difficult.

Your run of the mill fresh daemon has no more basis for free will than the Immaterium itself because five seconds ago that's what they were.

This is quite elegant. Good show!

Free will is just a beings ability to activate their mind. Demons have the ability to exercise their free will like any other sentient being.

Of course we are arguing a piece of fiction. So its really whatever you want. Use your free will and decide for yourself.