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edit: Thread necro because the movie drops this week.

I thought this movie was surefire Oscar bait, but with a PG-13 rating, I'm not sure now.

Kind of looking forward to seeing it*. Looks outrageous.

via Bloody Disgusting:

The Meg is a giant shark movie, so you’d expect it’d be pretty gruesome. Alas, it’s also a big budget studio movie, so you know what that means. It’s gotta be PG-13 for the studio to spend all that money to bring a giant megalodon to life. Even director Jon Turteltaub regrets that he couldn’t quite go all the way with the shark carnage (although he goes as far as he can).

“Knowing that this is for Bloody Disgusting, I am so disappointed the film wasn’t more bloody or disgusting,” Turteltaub told us. “My wife is glad about it and I’m glad my kids can see the movie, but the number of really horrifying, disgusting and bloody deaths we had lined up that we didn’t get to do is tragic. There was some really good gak that didn’t survive to the final cut.”

Turteltaub actually filmed some gory deaths, but during post-production the decision was made that The Meg would be appropriate for teenagers.

“We shot or even did a lot of visual effects for [gory scenes],” Turteltaub said. “We just realized there’s no way we’re keeping this PG-13 if we show this. It’s too fun a movie to not let people who don’t like blood and people who are under, say, 14 years old into the theater. I was very hesitant to cut out a lot of blood and gore. I wouldn’t have if I thought it was wrecking the story but it wasn’t. It still looked okay. I’ll sit down privately with your audience and take them through some really nasty gak.”

And don’t get your hopes up for an unrated DVD or Blu-ray, because all of those gory deaths require visual effects that would be too expensive to justify.

“The problem nowadays with those unrated DVDs is you used to have a bunch of scenes that were easy to either shoot or leave on the cutting room floor,” Turteltaub said. “Now to finish a scene costs millions in VFX. No one’s going to be spending millions of dollars just to have a little extra bonus footage.”

So since we’ll never see it, Turteltaub told us about one gory death scene. The character still dies, but not as graphically.

“I don’t want to spoil too much but there was a death in the movie of one of the leading characters where you thought he was still alive and you realized it was only his head,” Turteltaub said. “Then the reveal that that was all that was left was awesome, but needless to say quite a few people told us it was creepy and I had to cut it.”

That being said, don’t worry that The Meg is too tame. The Meg still eats a lot of people, and destroys other marine life. At least whale gore is perfectly fine in a PG-13 film.

“Oddly enough, the ratings people don’t mind chunks of whale as much as they mind chunks from a neck,” Turteltaub said. “Yet, it’s still right on the edge. I have to say there was a bite missing from a whale, it’s really gross and I think it looks really cool.”

And if you’ve seen the trailer, don’t worry too hard about Pippin the dog.

“All I can say is anyone who knows anything about movies knows that you can kill 10,000 people and the audience doesn’t care, but you harm one dog and everyone writes a letter,” Turteltaub said. “While shooting, we went through about 15 dogs. That’s just a joke.”


*By seeing it, I mean waiting for Itunes rental or Netflix.

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 stanman wrote:
When I first read the thread title I thought it was a Family Guy reference.



"Shut up Meg!"


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Turteltaub actually filmed some gory deaths, but during post-production the decision was made that The Meg would be appropriate for teenagers.




I'm still planning on seeing it but my already low expectations have cranked down a notch.

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Can’t be any worse than Deep Blue Sea....

Did you genetically modify these Sharks?

No. Absolutely not.

You sure?

Ermmmmm.......yeah.

You don’t sound convincing

Only a teensy bit. I mean, we made their Brian’s biggerer. I mean, it doesn’t explain the ramming tactic one showed, because that’s learned rather than instinct. But let’s just ignore it, yeah?

   
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“Now to finish a scene costs millions in VFX. No one’s going to be spending millions of dollars just to have a little extra bonus footage.”


I know feth all about VFX, but its crazy that it still seems so expensive.

I get that it more and more realistic with every passing year, but I figured the technology and expertise to create high quality or close to high quality VFX would be abundant and cheap at this point. Like I said, I know nothing about the tech, but I know that a lot of other tech gets more and more affordable and accessible as time go by. Seems to go the opposite direction for VFX.

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The problem is it isn't perfect,

and as soon as we see something closer to perfect anything less good looks much, much worse

remember when PS1 then PS2 games were thought of as realistic...….

that's why movies that work with models (eg Star Wars) hold up so well as the tech hasn't changed all that much so you haven't seen 'better' modern versions to compare it too, unlike some of the much more recent CGI from the prequels

 
   
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 nels1031 wrote:
“Now to finish a scene costs millions in VFX. No one’s going to be spending millions of dollars just to have a little extra bonus footage.”


I know feth all about VFX, but its crazy that it still seems so expensive.

I get that it more and more realistic with every passing year, but I figured the technology and expertise to create high quality or close to high quality VFX would be abundant and cheap at this point. Like I said, I know nothing about the tech, but I know that a lot of other tech gets more and more affordable and accessible as time go by. Seems to go the opposite direction for VFX.


The company that made the vfx for the tiger in Life of Pi went bakrupt making that tiger. Its still VERY expensive.


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You have to stay on the edge off cutting level tech every year, the software is crazy expensive as are the computers. The computer can be upwards of 500k a piece and even then you need to link lots of them, often custom software is written for specific applications or to achieve a certain element that current programs don't handle. On big budget films you can have thousands of man hours all put into making a 3-4 second shot which is insanely expensive when you consider how much CGI the average action movie uses let alone something fully animated like Pixar or Dream Works films. Motion capture and blue screening is not cheap tech either which is typically integrated alongside CGI, movie grade hi-def digital cameras are horrifically expensive and can cost more than most people's houses and you need multiples as you can easily have up to a dozen rolling at once depending on the scene and angles. Freeze and stop sequence scenes like the gunfight in the Matrix took scores of high speed cameras to make and were hugely expensive. A typical big budget film might employ as many as 10-15k people over the course of filming which is a lot of manpower in addition to all the tech and manpower is always expensive especially when it's from specialist since most of the 3d software requires extensive training and experience to use. I've been training in 3d for over 5 years and barely have scratched the surface with it.

Despite all that cost and technology going into them it still doesn't beat some of the traditional models used by Lucas Film, ILM, Weta, or Winston Legacy as there's many times that a model, a puppet or a guy in a rubber mask will come off far more convincing and at a fraction of the budget. While CGI has gotten quite good it's placed blinders on a lot of directors who turn to it as a default when there are often much more effective practical effect options available. Some of the practical effects studios are basically out of business because film studios flock to CGI since "the new is always best" even when it isn't.

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I love it when modern films use practical effects. Some when done right can stand the test of time. That dog scene from The Thing still makes me want to spontaneously crap myself. I was pleasantly surprised to see the robot in the new Lost in Space was a guy in a suit most of the time.

We don't really rush out to the theaters anymore these days, but will check out Meg when it's on cable / netflix for sure. looks like fun.

 
   
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I'm probably going to go see The Meg. I love cheesy monster and disaster movies in general. Things like Tremors, Deep Blue Sea, Deep Rising, and other less-than realistic movies like that are just good fun sometimes! Another one that fits that category would be Geostorm. Now, one that I still haven't seen is Sharknado, or any of its sequels. I'm told that it's main redeeming quality is just how terrible it is!

Also, +1 to everyone talking about Deep Blue Sea! That one just gets so many good monster movie tropes in there. Sudden deaths of main characters (Sam Jackson getting eaten suddenly in the middle of his speech), surely doomed characters somehow escaping (LL Cool J in the kitchen after saying "You ate my bird!"), girls having to strip down to their underwear because some random reason (no complaints from me!), and even the "did we actually win?" ending ("Are you sure there were only 3 sharks?"). That movie was awesome!

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After seeing this thread, I went on Amazon to check out the book, and saw a pretty strong review average so I tossed it on the Kindle.

This book...is fething garbage. I mean, this guy couldn't write his way out of a paper bag.

So, the movie cannot possibly be as bad as the book. As another huge fan of Deep Blue Sea and its madness, I'll go see the film - but the book can feth off. Absolute gak writing. I'm saying this after having recently read Jaws, The Beast, etc.
   
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Getting mostly positive reactions so far! I’ve read a few that gak on the movie, but I got a sense that they don’t know what to expect from a Statham
vehicle or the movies premise.

From Entertainment Weekly:


WE GAVE IT A : B-

What would summer be without a killer shark movie? Ever since Jaws attacked the box office and the beaches of Amity in 1975, Hollywood has been trying to duplicate its giddy Great White mayhem, chumming the multiplex waters with B-movie wannabes. Two years ago, we got The Shallows. Last summer, we had 47 Meters Down. Now we’re treated to the deliriously goofy sight of bullet-headed Cockney badass Jason Statham going mano a mano with not just any deep-sea predator, but a 75-foot-long megalodon — a prehistoric killing machine long thought to be as extinct as the woolly mammoth.

Through a fluke of science too absurd to explain (the movie only half-heartedly tries), this Jurassic shark has slipped through a crack in the ocean floor off the coast of China to wreak havoc on an underwater research facility and its hubristic billionaire benefactor (a smug-but-not-smug-enough Rainn Wilson). Since this is a Statham vehicle, his can-do salvage specialist character, Jonas Taylor, is given a tragic and perfunctory backstory that offers up a chance of manly redemption. It’s pure nonsense. But if that’s the kind of thing that’s going to trip you up, well, there’s a wonderful Mr. Rogers documentary playing two doors down.

I’ll be honest, The Meg isn’t nearly as good (or as white-knuckle gory) as the movie I had imagined in my head. The CGI is mediocre at best, and a romantic subplot with a single-mom scientist (Li Bingbing) is sentimental hooey. But it is ridiculous, cheesy popcorn fun. And Statham, God bless him, knows exactly what kind of guilty pleasure he’s signed on for — Sharknado with a bigger budget and a much bigger monster. B-

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It's been said that you can tell if a movie with Jason Statham will be good if and only if: he drives a car and shoots people. This looks like it might disprove that.
   
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 AndrewGPaul wrote:
It's been said that you can tell if a movie with Jason Statham will be good if and only if: he drives a car and shoots people. This looks like it might disprove that.


or, according to lady chums, take his shirt off, which this movie covers

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So far the reviews seem to be landing on "stupid but fun", which totally works for me.

Unfortunately I can't get to the theater until wednesday :/

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Let me know what you think - I had to choose between this and Mission:Impossible... I chose the latter but still am curious about this one!
   
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Bought special shirts for my wife and I to wear to it, so I might not be capable of an unbiased review.

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Saw it in the theatre with a friend, he was very careful about picking the moving chairs (they're called D-Box here, but are called full ATX or something in the next town over!) and ended up dissapointed that they apparently didn't bother making a motion track for the movie.

It was a fun, stupid movie. Full of cringy dialogue, awful science, and foreshadowing so blunt it makes Battle Los Angeles look like a confusing murder mystery.

I mean it: take what you know about this movie' s premise and put together the most cynical cash-grab blockbuster movie you can come up with in your head, now remember that it's a joint Chinese production, now imagine that the studio heads think the target audience hasn't seen Jaws and run away with the possibilities - that's this movie. It's wonderfully bad and I love it.

Better than that though, were the trailers beforehand, characterized thusly:

Transformers but it's a Dog: Boy finds robot dog while doing normal boy stuff like BMX stunting in a junkyard.
"Just turn it in, it's a robot, it has no feelings!"
"It's shaped like a dog, it MUST have feelings!"

MAC and Me but MAC's a Gun: Little Jimmy has a hard life, he's adopted, his brother just got out of prison, and they're on the run because he found an alien space gun in an abandoned building and used it to shoot some guys trying to threaten his brother... and possibly a cop. The producers of Stranger Things bring us a heartwarming tale that so far looks like it plays out exactly as if the kid had found an M16.

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I saw the movie yesterday, and it was really fun! Scientifically it was a load of crap of course (we all knew it would be, right?), but it was a great thrill ride with cool visuals. And wow, that Asian chick...

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I caught it yesterday and I guess I'll just quote my short review from Letterboxd. I gave it 1 and a half stars out of 5.

"What a tragic waste of a good concept. The only thing really worth seeing this film for is the always brilliant Rainn Wilson.
Watch Shark Attack 3: Megalodon instead. You'll have a better time."

So yeah, I wasn't a fan
My friend said the book was way better though, so he's going to lend me it. I've got a feeling I'll enjoy that more.
   
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I thought it was pretty great. It was dumb as hell from any number of different angles, of course - science really took it in the shorts on this one.

But the creature effects were great, the plot wasn't too insipid, the acting was better than expected - Jason Statham knows exactly what kind of movie this is - and the cinematography was excellent.

It's a great movie to see in IMAX and then never watch again. It's not Citizen Kane but I don't think anyone goes to monster movies expecting Best Actor or Actress nominations.

I would have liked to have seen an R rating, but it is what it is. I would describe is as a more watchable, better-written, better CGI Sharknado-class movie.

 Captain Joystick wrote:
Saw it in the theatre with a friend, he was very careful about picking the moving chairs (they're called D-Box here, but are called full ATX or something in the next town over!) and ended up dissapointed that they apparently didn't bother making a motion track for the movie.

(snip)

Transformers but it's a Dog: Boy finds robot dog while doing normal boy stuff like BMX stunting in a junkyard.
"Just turn it in, it's a robot, it has no feelings!"
"It's shaped like a dog, it MUST have feelings!"

MAC and Me but MAC's a Gun: Little Jimmy has a hard life, he's adopted, his brother just got out of prison, and they're on the run because he found an alien space gun in an abandoned building and used it to shoot some guys trying to threaten his brother... and possibly a cop. The producers of Stranger Things bring us a heartwarming tale that so far looks like it plays out exactly as if the kid had found an M16.


Also, my trailers were different than the ones that Captain Joystick had, interestingly. I have seen both the trailers he references and he's not wrong: that kid finding an alien assault rifle looks pretty terrible, and Giant Robot Dog Ol Yeller seems pretty firmly in the "how did this movie get written, greenlit, filmed, and released" territory.

We got the DBOX seats for the Magnificent Seven remake. I can't recommend these seats at any price, even for free (and they're not, they're like $20) - they are best described as really distracting, I think. Probably be amazing for gaming but a bad fit for movies.



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 Ouze wrote:
We got the DBOX seats for the Magnificent Seven remake. I can't recommend these seats at any price, even for free (and they're not, they're like $20) - they are best described as really distracting, I think. Probably be amazing for gaming but a bad fit for movies.


I completely disagree: there are good and bad implementations for the technology and when they put the required amount of effort in the right kind of movie the result is phenomenal. Fury Road, Guardians of the Galaxy, every new Star Wars movie, all great D-Box experiences. The Hobbit 2... not so much, actually it was awful, three hours of nothing punctuated by lazy swaying because they're in barrels.

   
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Watched Meg. Thought it was alright. Nothing terribly innovative, just some fun.

 
   
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I don't think I can ever like d-box but to each their own.

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My wife and I just got back. Watched it, loved it, better than Jaws. It was fun, didn’t take itself too seriously, all the acting was solid, and you could tell everybody enjoyed being on the project. The “science” was fine for the movie, didn’t get overplayed, and it gave a good enough reason for the Meg still being alive. Mostly minor changes from the book (Toshi was the Chinese guy’s son, Jonas’s ex was a total bitch and got chomped, etc). Solid effort, and it’s a good thing opinions are subjective, because otherwise everyone saying it wasn’t good should be feeling pretty stupid.

I’m not saying the people who were in Jaws didn’t enjoy themselves; but you could tell everybody enjoyed the hell out of making this movie. I do agree it would have been better if it was R-rated and had a little more bloodshed. Will buy and watch again. This is now my favorite shark movie, with Deep Blue Sea in second, Jaws in third, and then everything else is relegated to painting background noise.

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Better than Jaws, oh boy. That's a reach imo.

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Better than Jaws, oh boy. That's a reach imo.


Probably because I read the book first, which blew the movie out of the water. The book was scary. The movie...eh. It felt over-hyped and didn’t live up to expectations.

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It depends on what you want out of a shark movie.

Jaws is pretty good but mostly for it's time.

Deep Blue Sea is dumb fun with Jaws like beats to the movie.

Meg (which I finally got to see) is Deep Blue Sea again with better acting then I was expecting. A lot of fun.

None of them are realistic takes on sharks. All of them are dumb fun with sharks. But DBS and Meg lean more into the dumb fun then Jaws does. I don't need these movies to be serious.


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Saw it over the weekend and my wife and I were both bored. It definitely needed more gore, and I'll go against the grain here and say I thought it took itself too seriously and wasn't campy enough.

The efforts made to stay plausible and keep to the plot were admirable but ultimately wasted in my opinion. I was hoping for Sharknado-style absurdity and The Meg kept trying to be kinda serious which was disappointing because it ultimately is a stupid premise that can't be made better with pseudo-science, spiffy sets and passable acting.

We saw it on the big screen which I guess is worthwhile. I'd be really irritated if we paid full price but we went to a matinee so $7.50 tickets ain't bad for a mediocre movie.

Really liked Rain Wilson's character, and the little girl. They kept me entertained while waiting for the rather bloodless shark attack scenes.

Spoiler:
Feth the actual megalodon, he/she/it was boring and simultaneously a Creed-level strategist and a big dumb fish.

Feth the character of Suyin saying she's studied sharks for decades so she "knows" megalodon's anatomy, only to go for a vulnerable point so obvious it made her authority on sharks seem absolutely questionable.

Also, feth Pippin. The dog shoulda gotten eaten.


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