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fe40k wrote:
I was going to type some random things, but I re-read the entry of "Saviour Protocols" in Battlescribe;

"If a <SEPT> INFANTRY or <SEPT> BATTLESUIT unit within 3" of a friendly <SEPT> DRONES unit is wounded by an enemy attack,..."

Presuming that's actually the wording - are Psychic Powers even "attacks"?

I don't see the word "attack" used anywhere in the Psychic Phase description, but I DO see it used as a word in both the Shooting Phase, and Combat Phase ("number of attacks", "resolve attacks").

I mean, it’s not a Psychic Tickle... it’s designed to kill you. That’s an attack. And a Mortal Wound Wounds you. So...

fe40k wrote:
I was going to type some random things, but I re-read the entry of "Saviour Protocols" in Battlescribe;

"If a <SEPT> INFANTRY or <SEPT> BATTLESUIT unit within 3" of a friendly <SEPT> DRONES unit is wounded by an enemy attack,..."

Presuming that's actually the wording - are Psychic Powers even "attacks"?

I don't see the word "attack" used anywhere in the Psychic Phase description, but I DO see it used as a word in both the Shooting Phase, and Combat Phase ("number of attacks", "resolve attacks").

I already posted that. The same can be said about smite. The rules dont give instructions how to handle MW from psychic powers, only from attacks. The game breaks, cant play anymore. Game over.


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 JohnnyHell wrote:

I mean, it’s not a Psychic Tickle... it’s designed to kill you. That’s an attack. And a Mortal Wound Wounds you. So...

RAW, no. Its not an attack, its a psychic power.

 p5freak wrote:

fe40k wrote:
I was going to type some random things, but I re-read the entry of "Saviour Protocols" in Battlescribe;

"If a <SEPT> INFANTRY or <SEPT> BATTLESUIT unit within 3" of a friendly <SEPT> DRONES unit is wounded by an enemy attack,..."

Presuming that's actually the wording - are Psychic Powers even "attacks"?

I don't see the word "attack" used anywhere in the Psychic Phase description, but I DO see it used as a word in both the Shooting Phase, and Combat Phase ("number of attacks", "resolve attacks").

I already posted that. The same can be said about smite. The rules dont give instructions how to handle MW from psychic powers, only from attacks. The game breaks, cant play anymore. Game over.

Psychic Attacks are not attacks - Saviour Protocols do not apply in this instance.

All squads take X Mortal Wounds; while there are concerns about the order the squads take damage in - it ultimately doesn't matter in this instance.

With regards to vehicle explosions/other multiple-unit affecting powers, I'd rule "Sequencing", as you're trying to apply the same rule multiple times (explosion damage across multiple units); but again, it doesn't actually matter - and until it does, there's nothing to be up in arms about. I'm ALL for RAW, and figuring out how to actually play every situation, and figuring out when and where the rules break down; in this case, resolving "one" rule, multiple times (Maw, Explosion, etc).

But as it stands - Drones cannot pass off wounds here. The Commander is not being attacked.

Also, "when X is wounded" in this instance applies to the second part of resolving attacks (Hit, Wound, Armor Save, Damage) - it functions the same as all the other bodyguard rules; you cease continuing the process of attack resolution, instead, you pawn off the potential damage as a guaranteed mortal wound to the bodyguard; you don't roll armor save, you don't roll damage.

The problem is that GW uses the word "wounds"/"wounded" in three cases:

1) The WOUND statistic
2) The second process in the stop of resolving an attack (Hit, WOUND, Armor Save, Damage)
3) The act of suffering damage, "wounding"

Yes, they are. The term attack here isn't using the rules keyword attack, it's just using the generic term attack. The rules keyword here is wounded.

That's English and sloppy writing for you.

fe40k wrote:

Psychic Attacks are not attacks

How can an Attack not be an attack?

Not to mention the mortal wounds description is some attacks inflict mortal wounds as its opener.

"Unlike normal attacks, excess damage from attacks that inflict mortal wounds is not lost."

Seams fairly clear cut only an attack can inflict mortal wounds.

Ice_can wrote:

fe40k wrote:

Psychic Attacks are not attacks

How can an Attack not be an attack?

Not to mention the mortal wounds description is some attacks inflict mortal wounds as its opener.

"Unlike normal attacks, excess damage from attacks that inflict mortal wounds is not lost."

Seams fairly clear cut only an attack can inflict mortal wounds.

My question simply is - where exactly does it say a Psychic Power is an attack; outside of the MortalWound sidebar - in which people infer that "thing does mortal wounds = attack".

The MortalWound sidebar is listed in the "Shooting Phase" section of the book; and since they explicitly talk about attacks in that section, it's not unreasonable to infer that it's referencing attacks (of the shooting/assault variety).

Again, I'm not making a comment one way or the other - I'm just trying to find out if it spells out PsychicPower="Attack" anywhere, rather explicitly. Because, the only time I'm seeing the word "attack" actually used, is in the Shooting/Combat phase sections.

If Psychic Powers are NOT attacks, then that cleanly answers this threads question - and solve issues regarding explosions, Orbital Cannons, etc, and other sources of mortal wounds.

RAW doesnt say that psychic powers are attacks. But, they are meant to do damage to another models, so they can be considered to be attacks.

This is just tedious. This kind of wilful twisting makes discussion pointless. A psychic power that inflicts MW is an attack, don’t be so silly.

fe40k wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

fe40k wrote:

Psychic Attacks are not attacks

How can an Attack not be an attack?

Not to mention the mortal wounds description is some attacks inflict mortal wounds as its opener.

"Unlike normal attacks, excess damage from attacks that inflict mortal wounds is not lost."

Seams fairly clear cut only an attack can inflict mortal wounds.

My question simply is - where exactly does it say a Psychic Power is an attack; outside of the MortalWound sidebar - in which people infer that "thing does mortal wounds = attack".

That's an irrelevant question given that we are dealing with a psychic power that inflicts mortal wounds, so therefore you would be looking at the sidebar on mortal wounds. You don't need to have to look anywhere else.

I just wanted to say the following (I know old thread etc, however I feel this is important as it's an answer.)

Tau Empire FAQ
Q: For the purposes of the Saviour Protocols ability, what exactly
constitutes an attack?
A: In this context, it is an attack made with a ranged or
melee weapon.

Psychic powers are neither ranged or melee weapons so yay! RAW drones can't save you from space magic.

Please don't necro threads.