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I just feel like there is a potential dynamic lost. When Tim is leading the Titans you get the bo staff detective guy (The Teen Titans cartoon was 100% the Tim Drake character with Dick Greysons name and love interest) but when things get grim and he looses his way he has Nightwing to look to for advice without Batman coming in and just overshadowing everything.

When it's Dick Greyson as the team leader you have nowhere to go but Batman and ultimately you end up giving him Tim Drakes qualities because Dick is more or less boring as all hell as Robin.


Also, appears my guy was right. It's not just streaming DC tv and movies. It's everything DC.

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How much is a membership? Sounds awesome, and I’m honestly digging the Robin look. Badass.

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language warning ahoy !

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The service is $7.99 a month, or $74.99 yearly. Preorder now and you get 3 free months plus get entered into a sweepstakes to attend the Aquaman premiere.

It won’t include access to DC’s entire library of comics. Instead it’ll be a ‘curated’, rotating selection that will apparently still number in the thousands. That’s still cool, and something my kids will love.

I’m gonna take the plunge.

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language warning ahoy !


Well... thats a thing.
   
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Today I learned that a DVD collection of the old Teen Titans cartoon isn't really all that expensive.
   
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Teen Titans does not seem like the property to go all "Grim and Dark" with. What do I know though.

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So today I learned how all those Transformers fans felt when Michael Bay "Michael Bay"ed their beloved property...

*Sigh*...This looks like this will be very disappointing.

At least I still have the great comics and cartoons...
   
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https://heroichollywood.com/jason-todd-donna-troy-dc-titans/

"Johns revealed the news during his spotlight panel at San Diego Comic-Con. Jason Todd and Donna Troy, also known as Robin and Wonder Girl, have been rumored to appear in the series for some time. Set pictures have surfaced of Todd in civilian clothes, played by Girl Meets World‘s Curran Walters, last month. Troy will be played by Conor Leslie, who has appeared on such shows as The Man in the High Castle and The Blacklist

Do you think the young heroes will suit up in Titans‘ first season? Comment below!

Titans follows young heroes from across the DC Universe as they come of age and find belonging in a gritty take on the classic Teen Titans franchise. Dick Grayson and Rachel Roth, a special young girl possessed by a strange darkness, get embroiled in a conspiracy that could bring Hell on Earth. Joining them along the way are the hot-headed Starfire and lovable Beast Boy. Together they become a surrogate family and team of heroes.

DC’s Titans stars Brenton Thwaites as Dick Grayson/Robin, Anna Diop as Starfire, Teagan Croft as Raven, Lindsey Gort as Detective Amy Rohrbach, Alan Ritchson as Hawk, Minka Kelly as Dove, Ryan Potter as Beast Boy, Dwain Murphy as Negative Man, Jake Michaels as Cliff Steel, April Bowlby as Elasti-Girl, Bruno Bichir as Dr. Niles Caulder, and Conor Leslie as Wonder Girl, with Curran Walters set to appear as Jason Todd."


I'm more psyched about the Doom Patrol stuff TBH.


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Maybe think of it as three flavors of Titans? You have the mild flavor in the form of Teen Titans Go!...no heat and safe for sensitive palates. Then there's the medium flavor in the Teen Titans cartoon...a solid amount of bite (angst). Then there's Titans...extra spicy, containing ghost pepper angst!

Seriously though, if the idea was to ape the cartoon, they would have just produced new seasons of it. Seems clear that they're going for a new audience with this, and not so much the people that want to relive their childhood or whatever. Now, is it going to be any good and find its audience? Dunno.

The service has other stuff I'm interested in, so I'll probably give Titans a try.

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The trailer just strikes me as trying far too hard to be cool at the expense of actually getting these characters right, especially Dick Grayson who seems to have got his script mixed up with Jason from what we see there.

I imagine it's a lot to do with trying to disassociate the 'Teen' part of the name so as not to put people off. But where, for instance, Dan Abnett's recent work with them has just taken the team and portrayed them as fundamentally the same people with the same problems, just more more mature and wordly, the show just seems to use 'more violent and sweary' as shorthand for the fact they're now adults.





   
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 gorgon wrote:
Maybe think of it as three flavors of Titans? You have the mild flavor in the form of Teen Titans Go!...no heat and safe for sensitive palates. Then there's the medium flavor in the Teen Titans cartoon...a solid amount of bite (angst). Then there's Titans...extra spicy, containing ghost pepper angst!

Seriously though, if the idea was to ape the cartoon, they would have just produced new seasons of it. Seems clear that they're going for a new audience with this, and not so much the people that want to relive their childhood or whatever. Now, is it going to be any good and find its audience? Dunno.

The service has other stuff I'm interested in, so I'll probably give Titans a try.


It's not really that, honestly. They're comic book characters, there's five billion different versions of them, I wasn't really looking for them to just do the cartoon again in live action. The trailer just seems to be a weird blend of odd character choices (you want a Robin that hates Batman and casually breaks necks, just age up Damian a bit! Raven's coming to everyone to help? Starfire silently incinerates people?) and continuing the decisions that turn me off of the DC movies. I don't want to poop on things other people like, but unlike the classic show, this one is definitely not for me.

Now, it could change my mind in a heartbeat if they took some of the utterly ridiculous villains and tried to play them super edgy and dead serious. I want Benedict Cumberbatch in old man makeup playing Mad Mod as a Moriarty-esque serial killer.
   
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Given the Nightwing hatred of batman and overall kill attitude you'd think he's the Red Hood instead.

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The trailer just strikes me as trying far too hard to be cool at the expense of actually getting these characters right, especially Dick Grayson who seems to have got his script mixed up with Jason from what we see there.

Or alternatively, they might be doing a transitional period--Dick didn't become Nightwing overnight, it was a decision he made to try to separate himself from Batman. At least that was the 'origin' of that alias.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Paradigm wrote:
The trailer just strikes me as trying far too hard to be cool at the expense of actually getting these characters right, especially Dick Grayson who seems to have got his script mixed up with Jason from what we see there.

Or alternatively, they might be doing a transitional period--Dick didn't become Nightwing overnight, it was a decision he made to try to separate himself from Batman. At least that was the 'origin' of that alias.


Even so, there's separation from Batman and there's open hostility towards him and his methods/rules. Dick Grayson is of course not Batman, but outside of an Elseworlds story, I can't see him ever snapping a man's neck in cold blood. There are two other Robins who'd have no qualms about it, but Dick has always been the one to uphold Batman's ethos.

Nightwing has always been about being better, not worse. and even if this is depicting something prior to that, I think it's a disservice to the character to have him happily commit murder. In the wider context of the trailer, it just comes across to me as a convenient way to say 'look at how edgy we are' in order to distance itself from the previous Titans material and also from the less violent/sweary CW shows.

I'm all for trying something different, but Grayson here seems to lack the goodness and compassion that have defined him as Robin, Nightwing and Batman.


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But since this is the general DC streaming thread here's a much more promising trailer for Young Justice s3


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Lobo. Neat.


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I don’t really have a problem with the F Batman line. All Robins go thru that phase, often repeatedly, just not in mediums where they’re allowed to swear. It’s the him just straight murdering people that makes it so very wrong.

 
   
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Damn, I was interested in Titans. It's one of my favorite Comics, but that trailer has put me off.

My hopes for Doom Patrol are dimmer now.

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Jason Todd snapping a man’s neck? Totally in character. Dick Grayson doing it? Hell freaking no. Treat it as an Elseworld’s version of Teen Titans, or it sounds like disappointment is the only outcome.

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 AduroT wrote:
I don’t really have a problem with the F Batman line. All Robins go thru that phase, often repeatedly, just not in mediums where they’re allowed to swear. It’s the him just straight murdering people that makes it so very wrong.


shouldn't it be 'f the goddam Batman' for extra meme points

Looks passable but like a lot of Super-TV the expensive FX powers tend to suffer a smidge

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 AduroT wrote:
It’s the him just straight murdering people that makes it so very wrong.


I'm not THAT sure he did. I think the trailer might have been cut that way but... It wouldn't surprise me if things were a little different.

For example, brekaing the guys neck, it could be that the intention during the show is him breaking the guys jaw. - Which is still nasty and angsty but... Technically not killing.

And the guns, watching it in slow motion, the impression I got was him firing over everyones heads, thus forcing them all to flinch down and duck. Rather than doing a Robocop style gun them all down.


I'm happy to admit if/when I end up being wrong, but for the moment at least, I'm going to go for the less bad interpretation.

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Anyone in the bat family using a gun on any level feels wrong. Robin shouldn't be firing a gun over their heads like Batman shouldn't be using a gun to kill mercs in BvS.


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considering one of the big setups for Batman retiring and let Gotham crumble in Batman Beyond was that he used a gun, you'd think that other series borrowing from the same mythos would show a similar consideration to their use by a member of the bat family. Also you'd think that Robin would have enough sense to realize that, even if shooting over the thugs heads, that those bullets might end up going into an office or apartment building. It'd be kind of ironic if he fired over their heads and shot some kid in their bedroom of some janitor who just happened to be in the wrong place.
   
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Saw the first episode. It’s even darker than the trailer led you to believe. The heroes kill like a dozen people in that first episode alone.

 
   
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And then you get the basic issue of, if batman and robin are killers then why is the joker alive?

Bane?

Poison ivy?

Penguin?

If they are even willing to kill regular thugs then how does this universe have villians that ever make it to jail/arkham?


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My main hangup (the UK doesn't get it yet) would be Robin killing people.

Starfire, from an alien world with different laws and views of morality, sure.

Raven... is just a mess.I could see her resolving to not killing people but making the 'hard choices.'

Beast Boy, I wouldn't say casually killing someone, but put in the right situation, could be strong character out of it.


So yeah, overall, as long as Robin doesn't kill people, I'm good.
   
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 Easy E wrote:
Teen Titans does not seem like the property to go all "Grim and Dark" with. What do I know though.


Red Letter Media did an amusing show on the Comic Con trailers, which included the various DC things. They were iffy on Aquaman, fairly interested in Shazam, and the Titans trailer just got hysterical, braying laughter, then a depressed sigh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD2UE0tJ66Y
(19:00ish for Titans)

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I think titans could be good

it's not as if superheros & teams haven't had constant changes of writers where they change significantly in terms of motivation & behaviour

so as long as they can sell the new personalities and it's an interesting/well shot show bring it on (there's plenty of ways to explain why Robin is killing now he's left Batman..... or has left Batman because he's killing so as long as they explain it eventually that's fine)

 
   
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Eh. Going by the trailers, I'd say the only thing really promising they've got is young justice. The trailer alone has more depth, character development and actual relationships than anything I've seen in the DC movies or TV shows. Par for the course, really. Their animated shows are their only consistently good product.

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Here a no spoilers review of the first three Titans episodes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goeLYat4L5E

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