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pm713 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

pm713 wrote:
The only humans in AOS are Ironweld humans and Free Peoples. Neither of which do much really.

They do in the novels

That's because the lore in AOS is nonsensical and awful. I write better and I'm not even that good at writing.

Have you read Spear of Shadows or other novels - I found them enjoyable and full of interesting characters but each to their own

http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Spear_of_Shadows_(novel)

 Mr Morden wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

pm713 wrote:
The only humans in AOS are Ironweld humans and Free Peoples. Neither of which do much really.

They do in the novels

That's because the lore in AOS is nonsensical and awful. I write better and I'm not even that good at writing.

Have you read Spear of Shadows or other novels - I found them enjoyable and full of interesting characters but each to their own

http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Spear_of_Shadows_(novel)

Does it explain why Sigmars so stupid?

I've read some stuff but not that. At this point I've given up on sigmar lore. I'd rather spend money on books I'll enjoy and want to reread than GW's writing.

pm713 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

pm713 wrote:
The only humans in AOS are Ironweld humans and Free Peoples. Neither of which do much really.

They do in the novels

That's because the lore in AOS is nonsensical and awful. I write better and I'm not even that good at writing.

Have you read Spear of Shadows or other novels - I found them enjoyable and full of interesting characters but each to their own

http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Spear_of_Shadows_(novel)

Does it explain why Sigmars so stupid?

I've read some stuff but not that. At this point I've given up on sigmar lore. I'd rather spend money on books I'll enjoy and want to reread than GW's writing.

er ok then.....

 auticus wrote:
They have had no way to fit them in yet. Humans are easily IP-ganked by 3rd party companies.

I have no doubt they'll show up.

One day.

They mostly come out at night.

Mostly.

https://i.imgur.com/XS5LK.gif

Arent regular humans in the game in the form of Slaves to Darkness? They whorship the dark god's sure but they are humans nonetheless. Unless you meant humans on the side of "good" or order.. then yeah. Maybe in the future.. but I see GW probably paying destruction some attention and also I would put money on Slaanesh coming out in Jan.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Do you even have to use the models in lose formation?
Like, if I were to rank them up and move them as a block, would I be at a disadvantage?

We tried that. We’d deploy on our movement trays, and then take them off when we needed to.

It probably takes longer to remove the models from the trays than you save by deploying them.

At one point we were just leaving them on their trays and kind of fudging/educated guessing piling in and attacks and stuff.

At that point I decided I either might as well play an actual ranked fantasy game or adapt and use different armies. So I did both! Yay me. We use KoW for the big stuff, and intentionally steer towards more “elite”units in AoS with a dramatically reduced model count.

Keep in mind you can technically keep them on their trays, but you won’t be able to pile in. The position of every model matters for some reason, so I guess yeah you’d be limiting your number of attacks and getting surrounded.

On a slightly related note, I’ve found the way Star Wars Legion uses the unit leader to measure movement to be a good system. There you just measure things with the leader, and then the troops just move to anywhere within a certain distance of the leader. You don’t have to worry about measuring with every single model every dang time you do anything. I think it would make it easier to handle the enormous units we sometimes see in AoS and 40k. There really needs to be a faster system for movement, combat, and shooting than there is now.

pm713 wrote:The only humans in AOS are Ironweld humans and Free Peoples. Neither of which do much really.

Game wise or lore wise? The way I see it, is humans are cockroaches, they are everywhere, but are so week they get squashed easily. If you don't workship Sigmar then you worship Chaos. I haven't seen anything in the fluff that says there are humans that worship neither and go on with their lives.

As much as I hate to say this, since Age of Sigmar is not a real fantasy game, we might as well as Steam Punk to the game now so "weak" humans can start using machanery in the game and start having tank type or mech weapons for them to survive agaisnt Sigmar if they don't believe in him and everyone else. Other wise how can you add in regular humans into this game now?

Magician guild? I guess but very low model count. Knights? How can they be strong enough? After all we have Stormcasts now who are the epotine of a fighter. So does this mean Knights are like the Imperial Guard? I guess. Weak army but with lots of minis. Seems boring though. Not sure if we have an answer that is not Steam Punk.

 Sal4m4nd3r wrote:

 auticus wrote:
They have had no way to fit them in yet. Humans are easily IP-ganked by 3rd party companies.

I have no doubt they'll show up.

One day.

They mostly come out at night.

Mostly.

https://i.imgur.com/XS5LK.gif

Arent regular humans in the game in the form of Slaves to Darkness? They whorship the dark god's sure but they are humans nonetheless. Unless you meant humans on the side of "good" or order.. then yeah. Maybe in the future.. but I see GW probably paying destruction some attention and also I would put money on Slaanesh coming out in Jan.

Tough to say. Marauders and Chaos Warriors are definitely described as tainted humans, in my eyes a bit more in line with super humans.

From the Marauders GW page: Natural born fighters, swollen by the corrupting taint of Chaos, the Chaos Marauders are a terrifying sight to behold on the battlefield. Charging toward the enemy in great numbers, their faces twisted into snarling parodies of humanity, they fall upon their prey and tear it apart with axe, blade and flail - their sheer number and grisly determination have propelled the Slaves to Darkness to blight every mortal realm save Azyr.

Davor wrote:

pm713 wrote:The only humans in AOS are Ironweld humans and Free Peoples. Neither of which do much really.

Game wise or lore wise? The way I see it, is humans are cockroaches, they are everywhere, but are so week they get squashed easily. If you don't workship Sigmar then you worship Chaos. I haven't seen anything in the fluff that says there are humans that worship neither and go on with their lives.

As much as I hate to say this, since Age of Sigmar is not a real fantasy game, we might as well as Steam Punk to the game now so "weak" humans can start using machanery in the game and start having tank type or mech weapons for them to survive agaisnt Sigmar if they don't believe in him and everyone else. Other wise how can you add in regular humans into this game now?

Magician guild? I guess but very low model count. Knights? How can they be strong enough? After all we have Stormcasts now who are the epotine of a fighter. So does this mean Knights are like the Imperial Guard? I guess. Weak army but with lots of minis. Seems boring though. Not sure if we have an answer that is not Steam Punk.

I think there are humans that worship Nagash.There is also the monk who was seen in the Malign Portents trailer too who seemed to worship none of the gods.

pm713 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

pm713 wrote:
The only humans in AOS are Ironweld humans and Free Peoples. Neither of which do much really.

They do in the novels

That's because the lore in AOS is nonsensical and awful. I write better and I'm not even that good at writing.

I don't think you know anything about the lore. or read any of the novels.

I am making my human army now. Not sure how I can use it game wise.

xking wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

pm713 wrote:
The only humans in AOS are Ironweld humans and Free Peoples. Neither of which do much really.

They do in the novels

That's because the lore in AOS is nonsensical and awful. I write better and I'm not even that good at writing.

I don't think you know anything about the lore. or read any of the novels.

You can think whatever you like. It won't make the writing any better.

pm713 wrote:

xking wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

pm713 wrote:
The only humans in AOS are Ironweld humans and Free Peoples. Neither of which do much really.

They do in the novels

That's because the lore in AOS is nonsensical and awful. I write better and I'm not even that good at writing.

I don't think you know anything about the lore. or read any of the novels.

You can think whatever you like. It won't make the writing any better.

It's not about what I think. You have said you not read much, you are speaking out of ignorance. It makes your opinion on the lore irrelevant.

Davor wrote:

pm713 wrote:The only humans in AOS are Ironweld humans and Free Peoples. Neither of which do much really.

Magician guild? I guess but very low model count. Knights? How can they be strong enough? After all we have Stormcasts now who are the epotine of a fighter. So does this mean Knights are like the Imperial Guard? I guess. Weak army but with lots of minis. Seems boring though. Not sure if we have an answer that is not Steam Punk.

Its almost as if they need to use a glowing green rock that rat people once used to power their weapons...

Who said it has to be steampunk? Magitech is just as possible.
Apparently they seem to hold their own in those short stories too. Turns out most monsters really don't like being shot in the face with a cannon.

I think if they do release humans, they should give them a rule where if they fight in a close order formation they get some sort of bonus, to represent the fact that humans actually have to rely on training and tactics to win, rather than "hurr, charge forward and smash with magic!"

xking wrote:

pm713 wrote:

xking wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

pm713 wrote:
The only humans in AOS are Ironweld humans and Free Peoples. Neither of which do much really.

They do in the novels

That's because the lore in AOS is nonsensical and awful. I write better and I'm not even that good at writing.

I don't think you know anything about the lore. or read any of the novels.

You can think whatever you like. It won't make the writing any better.

It's not about what I think. You have said you not read much, you are speaking out of ignorance. It makes your opinion on the lore irrelevant.

Excuse me? I stopped reading it because I found it bad therefore my opinion is invalid?

pm713 wrote:

xking wrote:

pm713 wrote:

xking wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

pm713 wrote:
The only humans in AOS are Ironweld humans and Free Peoples. Neither of which do much really.

They do in the novels

That's because the lore in AOS is nonsensical and awful. I write better and I'm not even that good at writing.

I don't think you know anything about the lore. or read any of the novels.

You can think whatever you like. It won't make the writing any better.

It's not about what I think. You have said you not read much, you are speaking out of ignorance. It makes your opinion on the lore irrelevant.

Excuse me? I stopped reading it because I found it bad therefore my opinion is invalid?

Yes, It would be like if I read one warhammer 40k story that I did not like and decided all of 40k lore and novels are garbage. What stories did you read and What specifically did you not like in the story?

That is absolutely ridiculous. It's completely irrational to say that because someone hasn't read all the material you'll just ignore their opinion.

pm713 wrote:
That is absolutely ridiculous. It's completely irrational to say that because someone hasn't read all the material you'll just ignore their opinion.

What stories did you read and What specifically did you not like in the story?

I'm hoping new humans will arise in the following 2019 year, I jumped into 40k because I could sympathise with the Guardsmen and I enjoyed the idea of human endurance against all odds, I picked up Kharadrons, but I'll certainly pick these up on the double if they ever come out.
I think someone spotted within one of the new arts that there seems to be a few free people fighting alongside Stormcast in this picture.

The image in question



A bigger closeup


You can see they are clearly fighting the Darkoath/Chaos horde in the picture.


Personally I already like the feel of these guys, giving me some gladiator-esque vibes and at this point I'm tired of looking at the old freeguild models. With the high fantasy they can explore some deeper themes, I mean we have Sea-Elves, Fire-Dawri, Sky-Dawri, Tree people, Star Lizards. It would pair well with the Greek theme the Idoneth give off, especially with those hoplite helmets on the eel rider. While we are at it, lets update the Marauder line, the Darkoath Warqueen is a fantastic model and if they came out with a range I could very well see myself dipping into Chaos for the first time as well.

Helmets look more conquistador to me, but I can see where you're getting gladiator.

I really hope they keep some of the renaissance flair. As fantasy humans go, that is pretty unique. Maybe more Italian/Spanish renaissance style than German though.

The snippets we've heard of Free People seem to indicate that they have some crazy fantasy tech. I'm particularly intrigued by the Cog-forts. I think renaissance humans with all sort of Leonardo-dialed-to-eleven tech would be cool.

Another angle that could be simultaneously explored are the survivors. Those people who remained in the Realms when rest fled to the Azyrheim. They would be post-apocalyptic fantasy humans, perhaps with strong connection to the magics of their home Realm. Beasmasters of Ghur, Fireshamans of Aqshy, etc.

But I really, really want to see some proper order humans. I've grown to like the surreal high fantasy of AOS, but I still want some baseline humans, otherwise all that weirdness kinda just loses some of its impact.

I do too. I really liked the 16th century German HRE aesthetic that the Empire had.
If they went for an exaggerated 16th century Italian Renaissance look that would be a faithful reinterpretation of the Empire. Same century, different area. Except with weird Da Vinci tech.
Even in WHFB there was tech like that. That Steam Tank unit? In fluff it was invented by Leonardo da Miragliano, who's clearly a Da Vinci expy. Miragliano is a city that's blatantly based off of Venice; its a city that's full of canals and waterways, just like Venice.

pm713 wrote:
That is absolutely ridiculous. It's completely irrational to say that because someone hasn't read all the material you'll just ignore their opinion.

You're pontificating that, as a whole, AoS lore is garbage. You've never articulated that thought of yours nor referenced WHAT you've read, you're essentially pulling stuff out of your hindquarters. Furthermore, you outright stated with, and I paraphrase here:

"because it's nonsensical, I can do better"

*Mr. Morden quote*

"does it explain why sigmar is a moron?"


Which really doesn't help your case. At all.

I am, personally, leaning towards Free Peoples going to be a 'multifaction' list. I could see us getting the Dispossessed, Freeguild, and some of the 'City Aelves' in one combined list.

I am thinking that the humans in that art are going to be part of a new faction or added into the 'Devoted of Sigmar' to give a more regimented option for those who want it instead of the Flagellants.

Man those close ups of those paintings is getting me hyped for what they could be. It looks to me like it could be interpreted as still having a little renaissance in there but having a gladiatorial design in there too. Mix that with da Vinci style tech and I'd be all in

We won't see humans because they are hard to copyright and GW are crap and care about being able to copyright things and sue people over actually being nice to their fans.

And instead of punishing GW for squatifying peoples armies (particularly the human ones), armies belonging to people who had made a huge investment in money and time and who were loyal to the company, people went out and bought Sigmar and drank the cool aid (rewarded the behaviour).

So you're never going to see any human armies. Just 50/50 copyrightable races and Sigmaries(vomits).

I think it's just a matter of time before we get humans in Aos. They're in the stories. They just need models and a release slot.

I think we'll most likely see Ironweld and Darkoath first.

Remember when everybody wanted a aelves? Now we got aelves.

If we are basing all of Sigmar lore on a bad book or too, we have to base the HH and 40k on Damnation of Pythos and the Dawn of War book by Goto.

 Galef wrote:
Human factions are boring and overdone? That's my take.

Yet Space Marines - the most overdone GW models and factions - see more support than anybody in AoS and are about to see their third Not!Chapter.

As many others have said, humans are easy for 3rd Parties to support and they're more difficult to copyright the hell out of. For all of GW's other smoke and mirror improvements, they still have their obsession with clinging tightly to making even the trees something protected.

Based on the 4 harbingers and 2 of them already getting armies in June and GW saying there are 2 other armies on the way, I think it’s safe to say Goblin Moonclan Grots and Darkoath Barbarians are coming next for this year. But I really hope Order get a sweet human faction soon, maybe next year along with stuff like Skaven (seeing as Skaven got a Shadespire box of Roman looking rat Bros). And if the humans look anything like these dudes with sweet gladiatorial helms I’ll die happy

MadMarkMagee wrote:
We won't see humans because they are hard to copyright and GW are crap and care about being able to copyright things and sue people over actually being nice to their fans.

And instead of punishing GW for squatifying peoples armies (particularly the human ones), armies belonging to people who had made a huge investment in money and time and who were loyal to the company, people went out and bought Sigmar and drank the cool aid (rewarded the behaviour).

So you're never going to see any human armies. Just 50/50 copyrightable races and Sigmaries(vomits).

Whew lad, think you might need to go see a Doc with salt levels that high

CthululsSpy wrote:If they went for an exaggerated 16th century Italian Renaissance look that would be a faithful reinterpretation of the Empire

To each their own but I hope they don't goes this route, completely ditch the italian/germanic gunpowder-eqsue theme and get something different and not overly borrowed from the old Empire