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I would say Corsairs, my favorite army literally is no army no :( They got squat when GW said no squating, boo!

But being Codex? GK's

Well, that would make sense given the list. Didn't catch that.

Grey Knights. Not only because of power but also sheer redundancy. Their niche, as well as Marines niche to a degree (as the elite fighters of the imperium), seems to have been taken over by Custodes.
I don't know if GW knows where to go with GK.

 Mayk0l wrote:
Grey Knights. Not only because of power but also sheer redundancy. Their niche, as well as Marines niche to a degree (as the elite fighters of the imperium), seems to have been taken over by Custodes.
I don't know if GW knows where to go with GK.

They need their own type of powers that are not limited 1 per caster/unit, but the powers need to be very simple and small like "this unit gets +1S", "this unit can re-roll charges", "This unit gain +1 melee attacks," "This unit gains +1BS" having a list of powers like that, something like the PFP chart from DE, but you pick the power for each unit for each turn, this way you can modify your unit when you need to with minor buffs, it gives them a completely different feel from SM and DW now too.

All armies which started with just one unit:

- Harlequins
- Deathwatch
- Grey Knights

Burn their codices and rejoice. No more codex bloat.

So SM in second place but no votes for BA?

Why are SM so bad and what makes BA so great?

Grey knights of course. But IMHO they shouldn't be an independent faction with their own codex, just part of a larger faction. Just like SoB, harlequins, gen cult, deathwatch, etc...


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 deathwinguk wrote:
So SM in second place but no votes for BA?

Why are SM so bad and what makes BA so great?

Only the fact that SM players are really a lot and a significant part of them looks towards competitive gaming. SM are not that bad but far from the top tiers.

BA are more unusal and tipycally players collect them mostly for the hobby part.

Honestly, I never played GK and still haven't. Were they ever good or is it just 8th edition where they're terrible?

Orks must be so good they didn't make the poll!

 deathwinguk wrote:
Why are SM so bad and what makes BA so great?

Captain Smash and deepstrike units/stratagems with superior close combat.

 lolman1c wrote:
Honestly, I never played GK and still haven't. Were they ever good or is it just 8th edition where they're terrible?

3e (daemonhunters) were extremely restricted. You could just about run them as an army but they aged badly.
5e GK were entirely different and absurdly powerful. They have dropped away with each edition since.

Oh man all the armies I play have the highest percentages

I voted GK because they are really in a bad place when one of the lead testers admits that they need allies to function as an army.

I'm confused by anyone voting DA/BA over SM as the strats/tactics of those chapters pretty much makes them marines +1.

Tau don't seem like they are in that bad of a place but I rarely see them in my meta and don't play them personally so I'm judging based off what I see in their codex but fire warriors, drones, a couple stealth suits, 3x commanders, one of the big suits and that flame thrower bastard seems pretty potent to me.

AM feels incomplete but I'm not sure how bad they are. That being said I'm pretty sure they belong in the conversation for worst.

We're just getting the leaks on harlies so I think we are jumping the gun a bit on them.

Shot out to the trolls voting Guard, CWE, DE and Nids...

 warhead01 wrote:
Orks must be so good they didn't make the poll!

The poll is about armies with a codex. Orks still have the index.

 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:
Not listed: Renegades & Heretics

I feel your pain - they got butchered post Malefic Lord FAQ.

As others have mentioned though it is codex only.

GW really need to take rules writing off FW in totality because FW can't find their own ass with their hands tied behind their back.

Orks are so bad you forgot to include them in the list.

orkybenji wrote:
Orks are so bad you forgot to include them in the list.

Orks are so bad because they don't have a codex. They aren't on the list because the thread is only about codex armies. Also even without a codex they are still better than grey knights.

orkybenji wrote:
Orks are so bad you forgot to include them in the list.

Not a codex army.

Grey Knights really got the short end of the stick, multiple times. It's a low unit count army, without a lot of variety in unit types. It's basically MEQs, terminators, a monster, and a few vehicles. No chaff, no bikes or light vehicles or artillery.

It has bad internally balance, despite having so few options. Four melee choices, with two almost always inferior to the another one at the same price point. Only three total special/heavy options, all short range, with the two heavies pillow fisted. They have very little defensive tech, but are an elite army.

Also, their two main themes are psychic powers and deep strike, both of which were cut back by FAQs.

 Polonius wrote:

Also, their two main themes are psychic powers and deep strike, both of which were cut back by FAQs.

FYI - they have an exception for GoI and they are excluded from the smite nerf.

Hmm I don't see Tau as being that bad. But maybe is has to do with me playing space Marines against them haha

Seems to be pretty much in agreement except for the few cases of Tau. What's wrong with them?

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
Seems to be pretty much in agreement except for the few cases of Tau. What's wrong with them?

As a T'au player, they don't seem bad at all unless you only have battlesuits. The main problem with them is how bland they have become compared to 7th with all the various tricks to make up for them only being able to move and shoot. Now it's just gunline with some deepstriking commanders sprinkled in.

Genestealer cult should be number one but is not on the list of choices.

 Generalstoner wrote:
Genestealer cult should be number one but is not on the list of choices.

Not a codex army.

...I don't think I have ever seen this forum agree so strongly on something.

 Quickjager wrote:
...I don't think I have ever seen this forum agree so strongly on something.

I dunno, dislike for Space Wolves seems to get pretty strong agreement.
But an army who runs on two specific abilities in deepstrike and armywide use of one psychic buff and one psychic attack sees both of said abilities get nerfed into the ground is pretty unfortunate.

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
Seems to be pretty much in agreement except for the few cases of Tau. What's wrong with them?

The Tau codex has to be my least favourite codex for the armies I play, I think the internal balance is pretty poor with several units and a lot of options being non-viable. I'm also not a fan of the way marker lights and seeker missile were implemented. But whilst I find the codex pretty uninspiring from a design and internal balance perspective all it means is that you just avoid some of the sub-optimal choices when choosing your list, it doesn't make the codex as a whole uncompetitive and certainly not a candidate for "worst army in the game".

Just having had a look through the Death Watch codex you can shut down a few of their special shennanigans by just not bringing a xenos army - given the prevelance of Imperial Soup that could be quite often.

Certainly not the worst though. Average at best.

It seems the militant chambers of the Inquisition have been found wanting so far.

I voted necrons. Haven't played against grey knights this edition. This poll tells me why.

I'm doing ok with gk in small games. Anything below 1500 and they're fine. There are some lists they can do nothing against though. Like leman russ gunlines.
As for the weakest codex, well i'm torn between tsons and custodes. But don't get me wrong, both are playable - just not for cutthroat games.

Non-horde orks are abysmal. But they have no codex yet, so we'll see how it ends up.