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 anticitizen013 wrote:
Ok so what about the flipside then? What if (in the example of Tesla), you had a -1 modifier in Overwatch. A roll of 6 would hit, but with the -1 it turns into a 5 so the natural 6 hits due to Overwatch, but doesn't generate the 3 hits as per Tesla?

Per the current rules that is correct.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
But the tesla rule DOES NOT CARE if you hit or not. You get 3 hits instead of 1, but it doesn't care if the hit actually hits.

It really does care if you hit. because you an not get 3 instead of 1 if you do not have 1.

Neat!

 Xenomancers wrote:
Don't worry guys I am pretty sure these hit on 6's rules are going to start looking like the Imperial knights Endless furry relic. It specifically states that UNMODIFIED hit rolls of 6 - generate additional hits. I'd recommend playing with all these types of weapons in this way because it actually makes a lot more sense.

Except that ignores what the rules say? And some Death Guard rules trigger on a 7+, what about those? Sorry, but your suggestion simply ignores the rules and is flawed from the outset. The Endless Fury Relic says unmodified 6's explicitly because other effects take into account modifiers.


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 DeathReaper wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
But the tesla rule DOES NOT CARE if you hit or not. You get 3 hits instead of 1, but it doesn't care if the hit actually hits.

It really does care if you hit. because you an not get 3 instead of 1 if you do not have 1.

Then you can't use Smoke Launchers when you advance, because you use them instead of firing. Wait, that's not the case.

You can't have it both ways.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Don't worry guys I am pretty sure these hit on 6's rules are going to start looking like the Imperial knights Endless furry relic. It specifically states that UNMODIFIED hit rolls of 6 - generate additional hits. I'd recommend playing with all these types of weapons in this way because it actually makes a lot more sense.

Except that ignores what the rules say? And some Death Guard rules trigger on a 7+, what about those? Sorry, but your suggestion simply ignores the rules and is flawed from the outset. The Endless Fury Relic says unmodified 6's explicitly because other effects take into account modifiers.


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 DeathReaper wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
But the tesla rule DOES NOT CARE if you hit or not. You get 3 hits instead of 1, but it doesn't care if the hit actually hits.

It really does care if you hit. because you an not get 3 instead of 1 if you do not have 1.

Then you can't use Smoke Launchers when you advance, because you use them instead of firing. Wait, that's not the case.

You can't have it both ways.

Again you make no sense. The two things aren't comparable.

For someone who says they play RAW, it's interesting that you want to ignore the RAW of it saying you get 3 hits instead of 1, pretending you don't need the 1 in the first place.

This would be the same for snipers then. A roll of 5 with a +1 on overwatch would cause a mortal wound but no normal hit. I wonder what situation this would represent.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
But the tesla rule DOES NOT CARE if you hit or not. You get 3 hits instead of 1, but it doesn't care if the hit actually hits.

It really does care if you hit. because you an not get 3 instead of 1 if you do not have 1.

Then you can't use Smoke Launchers when you advance, because you use them instead of firing. Wait, that's not the case.

You can't have it both ways.

Because of the FAQ specific to smoke launchers then yes, you can have it both ways.

Q: Can abilities that are used ‘instead of shooting’, such as Smoke Launchers, be used if the model using them has Fallen Back, Advanced or has enemy models within 1" of it?
A: Yes. A model can use such an ability so long as it does not shoot – it does not matter whether this is because the model cannot shoot or it chooses not to.

For a “RAW only” guy you sure ignore the RAW a lot. A specific exemption for something that happens in place of Shooting in no way affects “X hits instead of 1” rules simply because both feature the words “instead of”. Complete fallacy to suggest so.

Gitdakka wrote:
This would be the same for snipers then. A roll of 5 with a +1 on overwatch would cause a mortal wound but no normal hit. I wonder what situation this would represent.

Are there any Space Marine things that give +1 to hit? Because this would be hilarious and totally legal!
EDIT: NVM, Snipers are mortal wounds on to-wound rolls, not hit rolls.

 Yarium wrote:

Gitdakka wrote:
This would be the same for snipers then. A roll of 5 with a +1 on overwatch would cause a mortal wound but no normal hit. I wonder what situation this would represent.

Are there any Space Marine things that give +1 to hit? Because this would be hilarious and totally legal!
EDIT: NVM, Snipers are mortal wounds on to-wound rolls, not hit rolls.

Ah damn! True.