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CapRichard wrote:
I would actually make the Mechanicus or Dark Eldars the poster boys. The creeepiest bunch.

Nope. You must look at it with sales in mind. What sells? Exactly, sex sells. So here is your new poster army for 40K in 2K19:

Sisters in cheesecake armour wearing tactical high-heels. Just wash your hands before you start playing with them because nobody wants sticky stuff on their minis.

 Stormonu wrote:
We need to have a Knights Primaris. Basically, you put a space marine in a dreadknight, that is then put in an Imperial Knight frame.

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Marines will be retired as the main draw when they stop being the main draw. Simples.


GW (or any other company) cannot control demand, or we'd all be drinking New Coke while watching Apple TV. GW will put stuff out there, see what sells and what doesn't, and put out more of the stuff that sells and less of the stuff that doesn't. As long as Marines are in the category of "stuff that sells", GW will put out more of those.

 ChargerIIC wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
I'm fairly certain this is a sarcastic thread.

Definitely a trolling thread.

I think we just need Knight sized marines. It can just be a new mark of power armor and then we can dump the entire Knight model line and have proper thematic semi-titans with chapter tactics.

We can call them Prime Primaris Marines

I prefer Optimus Primaris.

Power Armour is tedious and all the models that wear it are basically the same.
But then Knights are difficult to transport.

I am only party trolling/joking.

Like all, Maybe a little tired of Space Marines as the draw.

While knights are polarizing, I'm in the they are amazing imagery camp. Very cool and compelling. Playing a knight I feel like playing the near mythical movie marine, just on a huge base with no cover.

I think the OP is tired of people complaining when he brings a knight army to a pick up game. If it's the face of the game...what are you gonna do?

I've not really hand any complaints yet. Could be coming though I guess.

I think that your going to see the next meta bender in either SW, or Orks. After that, Knights will be ignored.

lulwhut?

Not ever going to happen.

Foolish man-food things.

Clearly replacing marines as the poster-child of the game with another marine or Imperium focused faction is flawed. Consider that every single mistake GW has ever made through most of its long history has been made with Marines as the posterchild faction! Every mistake; every wrong stat, missed opportunity - everything!


Clearly the Imperium fails the franchise in this regard

Thus it is high time that the Xenos took command and became the posterchild - and what fantastic Xenos there are!


From the wild and brazen Orks who can bring back the age of Rock and Roll and Metal with their general orkish behaviour.

To the Celestial like Eldar and their mysterious ways; and their dark cousins with their brutally bloody mysterious ways

To the cold and Deathly calculated movements of the Necrons

Then let us not forget our brothers in the unification of many in the Tau


But above all is one, one of the original, one of the core. One of the most feared through all the generations; no other faction inspires fear with a single unit so much as this faction. No other faction has stood the test of time over and over again; no other faction truly embraces all that it is to be inhuman and Xeno.

TYRANIDS! Yes Tyranids should be the new posterchild of the game! They are the force who can take GW through to new heights of power, new heights of model quality; of better prices; of free rules; of saved kittens and a puppy in every starter pack!

Reemule wrote:
I am only party trolling/joking.

Like all, Maybe a little tired of Space Marines as the draw.

While knights are polarizing, I'm in the they are amazing imagery camp. Very cool and compelling. Playing a knight I feel like playing the near mythical movie marine, just on a huge base with no cover.

I’ve just upped my knights to a triumvirate with Renegade, so I definitely can understand the like. But they’ll never replace space marines, nor would I want them to (I like them enough I’ve collected enough to make 4 companies). I’d actually like to see more kill team/combat patrol scale games, where you individual infantry models get to shine, instead of being helpless as they are vaped by the larger end of the spectrum.

On the other hand, I do hope AT does well. I’d be happy enough to play Battletech, GW style. It’s also somewhat funny that at AT scale, knights look to be marine sized...

If another faction sold well enough to over take marines in sales, then GW would push them. Above all else GW is a business and for better or worse marines sell better than anything else and because of that they will continue to be the focus of the 40k universe.

Reemule wrote:
Space Marines should be retired from the Title characters for 40K.

I agree, regular Marines should be retired and the game should move onto Primaris Marines since that's clearly what GW wants to do with Marines anyways.

Reemule wrote:
Knights should replace them as the face of 40K. Better rules, better fluff, and they don’t have 40 years of recanted fluff to contend with.

It's also more expensive to start a small army, they don't scale down for small games as well, and you can't get started with a single box of dudes via Kill Team.

Reemule wrote:
Also at this point there hasn’t been a time where ½ of them joined the ruinous powers. Not to mention they don’t get corrupted by 30 minutes in a Dagobah cave. It takes months of hard work, and even then it’s not 100% of the time reliable to corrupt them.

A Knight pilot is a mortal human and thus just as corruptible as any human (who isn't a Sister of Silence or a Custodes or the Man Emperor of Mankind). Also during the Heresy basically half the Imperium's fighting forces fell to Chaos. This includes the Knights as they were either corrupted like the Legions/Imperial Army forces they fought with or were murderlated for not wearing spiked crotch plates and more tentacles than a heretical anime.

Basically, your arguement makes no sense because since the Heresy we've seen traitors on all levels, but even the Marines don't fall in the same numbers as they used to.

Reemule wrote:
It will make people file into stuff like adepticus titanicus easier. Sells more games. Who doesn’t love giant human controlled robots? RObotech and Battletech have proven this.

Titcanicus is a FW game and will forever remain more niche because of it. Also Battletech barely exists anymore. I actually watched one of the shop owners at my FLGS ask the other what it was yesterday while they stocked their latest order. It's so uncommon that only the beardiest of nerds have heard of it, much less actually play it.

And I've never seen a copy of Robotech in person.

Besides, if you want an army of big robots we have Tau, who keep ignoring their cool premise of being a federation of aliens to be 40k Gundam models.

I miss when Crisis Suits were specialists who dropped into handle a Crisis, and Fire Warriors backed by Railheads were the Tau fighting force...

Bharring wrote:
I miss when Crisis Suits were specialists who dropped into handle a Crisis, and Fire Warriors backed by Railheads were the Tau fighting force...

I miss when Tau were pushed as the faction that would give us a variety of alien races that would fill specific roles in the army (Kroot being melee ambushers, Vespid being a fast paced harrassment unit) instead of all the robots you can shake a shining finger at.

Then again I don't know why I'm disappointed considering that the army was also supposed to use mobile tactics but always ends up playing fire base instead...

Plus, the Kroot Carnivore kit is great!

Reemule wrote:
I've not really hand any complaints yet. Could be coming though I guess.

I think that your going to see the next meta bender in either SW, or Orks. After that, Knights will be ignored.

ehhh - people whine when I play them.

Wrong. Ignorant and wrong.

The space marine as an icon for GW works because it draws from everything kids grow up loving; Power armour can be seen in clones/stormtroopers of the star wars universe, Spartans in Halo, Iron Man and Warmachine from the MCU... and while these are all derivative from each other, generally these will be introduced to kids younger and serve as a frame of reference. It's all about building on what they know. Librarians are practically Jedi...


As for your point regarding piloted warsuits; this is already present in 40k; dreadnought classes are just cheaper versions, that can be used at lower points and with infantry support.
-Think about the starter boxes?

Battle for Macragge: N/A
Black Reach; Dreadnought.
Dark Vengeance: Helbrute.
Stormclaw; Killa Kans.
Betrayal at Calth: Plastic Contemptor.
Dark Imperium: N/A

4/6 feature dreadnought class, all feature power armour of some variety.

In all of these examples power armour and dreadnought classes are used as "gateway drugs" into plastic crack. The space marine line is more than a flagship product, its a 40k variant on things new/young blood are already familiar with.


Just my take on the issue, from a marketing stand point you'll draw more attention/customers from being derivative of the MCU, Star Wars and Halo/Doom than just from that odd geek who's obsessed with Transformers/Pacific Rim/Michael Bay Films?
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 ClockworkZion wrote:

Bharring wrote:
I miss when Crisis Suits were specialists who dropped into handle a Crisis, and Fire Warriors backed by Railheads were the Tau fighting force...

I miss when Tau were pushed as the faction that would give us a variety of alien races that would fill specific roles in the army (Kroot being melee ambushers, Vespid being a fast paced harrassment unit) instead of all the robots you can shake a shining finger at.

Then again I don't know why I'm disappointed considering that the army was also supposed to use mobile tactics but always ends up playing fire base instead...

Mobile tactics seem to lose a lot of their effectiveness when you're in a weird square battlefield....

pm713 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Bharring wrote:
I miss when Crisis Suits were specialists who dropped into handle a Crisis, and Fire Warriors backed by Railheads were the Tau fighting force...

I miss when Tau were pushed as the faction that would give us a variety of alien races that would fill specific roles in the army (Kroot being melee ambushers, Vespid being a fast paced harrassment unit) instead of all the robots you can shake a shining finger at.

Then again I don't know why I'm disappointed considering that the army was also supposed to use mobile tactics but always ends up playing fire base instead...

Mobile tactics seem to lose a lot of their effectiveness when you're in a weird square battlefield....

While true, I always felt the rules for Tau never really fit the lore about them being a flexible and mobile force.....that always castles up into a defensive position on the table.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Bharring wrote:
I miss when Crisis Suits were specialists who dropped into handle a Crisis, and Fire Warriors backed by Railheads were the Tau fighting force...

I miss when Tau were pushed as the faction that would give us a variety of alien races that would fill specific roles in the army (Kroot being melee ambushers, Vespid being a fast paced harrassment unit) instead of all the robots you can shake a shining finger at.

Then again I don't know why I'm disappointed considering that the army was also supposed to use mobile tactics but always ends up playing fire base instead...

Mobile tactics seem to lose a lot of their effectiveness when you're in a weird square battlefield....

While true, I always felt the rules for Tau never really fit the lore about them being a flexible and mobile force.....that always castles up into a defensive position on the table.

I agree but my experience of playing Eldar has been that much as I might like to play a mobile army there just isn't enough space to move a decent sized army. You get stuck on your own units or terrain or the board edge.

Tau is the obvious choice for the new face of GW.

*Ducks from incoming artillery fire*

 Midna wrote:
Tau is the obvious choice for the new face of GW.

*Ducks from incoming artillery fire*

#freethekroot

That said, maybe in Japan it could work due to giant Gundam style robots.

Early Tau were very mobile; problem was it worked too darn well then, esp against any close combat force and with Tau having skimmers that were very hard to kill in those days so weaker ranged armies really suffered.


And yeah its a shame Tau never really built on the whole multiple alien races thing; I think GW wanted to take them that way initially; however they built the mecha aspect into them so strongly and that clearly took off in the fans eyes in terms of sales that it hsa become their defining point.

It's a bit like watching Flanderisation in action.

 Midna wrote:
Tau is the obvious choice for the new face of GW.

*Ducks from incoming artillery fire*

Tau have no place in 40K. Though they might have their uses in another setting. Shrink ´em and stick ´em into mushrooms. Then they can ally with the smurfs and take the fight to Gargamel.

 Strg Alt wrote:

 Midna wrote:
Tau is the obvious choice for the new face of GW.

*Ducks from incoming artillery fire*

Tau have no place in 40K. Though they might have their uses in another setting. Shrink ´em and stick ´em into mushrooms. Then they can ally with the smurfs and take the fight to Gargamel.

They would have made a great way for us to get an army made of a wide array of smaller alien races instead of the Gundams.

The Pan Fo should be the new face of 40k!

I am fine with Space Marines. They look cool for people outside Warhammer 40k. They were my first draw in into the game as well.

But yes, I will be glad if there are more video games and books that don't involve Space Marines at all (like the new Mechanicus game). The Space Marines aren't that numerous across the galaxy anyway.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:

 Midna wrote:
Tau is the obvious choice for the new face of GW.

*Ducks from incoming artillery fire*

Tau have no place in 40K. Though they might have their uses in another setting. Shrink ´em and stick ´em into mushrooms. Then they can ally with the smurfs and take the fight to Gargamel.

They would have made a great way for us to get an army made of a wide array of smaller alien races instead of the Gundams.

Idk if that would have been successful. They have today the Kroot and the Vespids. Both have imo no redeeeming aesthetic value as minis. Tau are supposed to be a race with highly advanced tech but the Eldar already fill that spot. And what about the Dark Eldar? Well, some GW designer watched too often those Hellraiser movies and thought it would be a good idea to have sadists on the battlefield. Another explanation could be that the reasoning was that the SM faction can get away with numerous codices so it wouldn´t be too bad, if the Eldar got an additional book.