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 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Personally I'm of the opinion that if people want me to use their houserules in a random game then they should ask me beforehand whether that is OK.

Depends on the house, of course. My club follows the published GW rules, including recommended ones, so if you don't I'd expect you to ask me, first. After all, our house, our houserules. Oh, and that goes for a GW store too, since it's also GW's houserules.

The fact that they're published and recommended for everyone should be enough warning that they might be relevant houserules in some, if not the majority, of "houses".

Recommended for tournaments. A pick up game is not a tournament.

 Crimson wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Personally I'm of the opinion that if people want me to use their houserules in a random game then they should ask me beforehand whether that is OK.

Depends on the house, of course. My club follows the published GW rules, including recommended ones, so if you don't I'd expect you to ask me, first. After all, our house, our houserules. Oh, and that goes for a GW store too, since it's also GW's houserules.

The fact that they're published and recommended for everyone should be enough warning that they might be relevant houserules in some, if not the majority, of "houses".

Recommended for tournaments. A pick up game is not a tournament.

Recommended for "Organized Play". A pick-up game is usually on a specific night that your FLGS organized, so it's organized play.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Personally I'm of the opinion that if people want me to use their houserules in a random game then they should ask me beforehand whether that is OK.

Depends on the house, of course. My club follows the published GW rules, including recommended ones, so if you don't I'd expect you to ask me, first. After all, our house, our houserules. Oh, and that goes for a GW store too, since it's also GW's houserules.

The fact that they're published and recommended for everyone should be enough warning that they might be relevant houserules in some, if not the majority, of "houses".

Recommended for tournaments. A pick up game is not a tournament.

Recommended for "Organized Play". A pick-up game is usually on a specific night that your FLGS organized, so it's organized play.

If you read what the FAQ and the book actually say, you're not right:

All I see there is "an organized event such as a tournament."

That language does not exclusively limit the rules to tournaments, does it?

Is a weekly games night an organized event? Yes, the store plans around it (trust me, I can't go play on Magic the Gathering night and the Magic players can't fit in the store on 40k night. The store has to be very organized, including putting up signs and making FB posts).

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
All I see there is "an organized event such as a tournament."

That language does not exclusively limit the rules to tournaments, does it?

Is a weekly games night an organized event? Yes, the store plans around it (trust me, I can't go play on Magic the Gathering night and the Magic players can't fit in the store on 40k night. The store has to be very organized, including putting up signs and making FB posts).

But it's not the same kind of event as a tournament, it's more like when a tournament event has an open play area. Very different in attitude.

 Blndmage wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
All I see there is "an organized event such as a tournament."

That language does not exclusively limit the rules to tournaments, does it?

Is a weekly games night an organized event? Yes, the store plans around it (trust me, I can't go play on Magic the Gathering night and the Magic players can't fit in the store on 40k night. The store has to be very organized, including putting up signs and making FB posts).

But it's not the same kind of event as a tournament, it's more like when a tournament event has an open play area. Very different in attitude.

This is subjective. My local area uses the Organized Play rules because it's organized play. If you came into my local area and built a list that didn't follow those rules, people would probably mention it. I've watched players get asked "why do you have 4 detachments" when setting up their 2k army on Game Night. It's just how it is here.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Blndmage wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
All I see there is "an organized event such as a tournament."

That language does not exclusively limit the rules to tournaments, does it?

Is a weekly games night an organized event? Yes, the store plans around it (trust me, I can't go play on Magic the Gathering night and the Magic players can't fit in the store on 40k night. The store has to be very organized, including putting up signs and making FB posts).

But it's not the same kind of event as a tournament, it's more like when a tournament event has an open play area. Very different in attitude.

This is subjective. My local area uses the Organized Play rules because it's organized play. If you came into my local area and built a list that didn't follow those rules, people would probably mention it. I've watched players get asked "why do you have 4 detachments" when setting up their 2k army on Game Night. It's just how it is here.

Ok, that's cool.
But that's your local meta, it doesn't hold for all weekly/monthly/etc gaming groups, and you shouldn't assume that all Game Nights follow the same logic.

 Blndmage wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Blndmage wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
All I see there is "an organized event such as a tournament."

That language does not exclusively limit the rules to tournaments, does it?

Is a weekly games night an organized event? Yes, the store plans around it (trust me, I can't go play on Magic the Gathering night and the Magic players can't fit in the store on 40k night. The store has to be very organized, including putting up signs and making FB posts).

But it's not the same kind of event as a tournament, it's more like when a tournament event has an open play area. Very different in attitude.

This is subjective. My local area uses the Organized Play rules because it's organized play. If you came into my local area and built a list that didn't follow those rules, people would probably mention it. I've watched players get asked "why do you have 4 detachments" when setting up their 2k army on Game Night. It's just how it is here.

Ok, that's cool.
But that's your local meta, it doesn't hold for all weekly/monthly/etc gaming groups, and you shouldn't assume that all Game Nights follow the same logic.

Right. But you shouldn't assume they don't, either, and here's my rule of thumb:

1) Anything that meets a more restrictive rule-set will automatically be fine in a less-restrictive environment.
2) Anything built in a less-restrictive environment will not automatically be playable if you go somewhere else.
Therefore, if you're trying to build a TAC list that can be played anywhere, use the more-restrictive rules if you can.

This is why I play in tournaments. There is no discussion of what rules, what mission, etc. It's standardized so this discussion just doesn't exist.

 Blndmage wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Blndmage wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
All I see there is "an organized event such as a tournament."

That language does not exclusively limit the rules to tournaments, does it?

Is a weekly games night an organized event? Yes, the store plans around it (trust me, I can't go play on Magic the Gathering night and the Magic players can't fit in the store on 40k night. The store has to be very organized, including putting up signs and making FB posts).

But it's not the same kind of event as a tournament, it's more like when a tournament event has an open play area. Very different in attitude.

This is subjective. My local area uses the Organized Play rules because it's organized play. If you came into my local area and built a list that didn't follow those rules, people would probably mention it. I've watched players get asked "why do you have 4 detachments" when setting up their 2k army on Game Night. It's just how it is here.

Ok, that's cool.
But that's your local meta, it doesn't hold for all weekly/monthly/etc gaming groups, and you shouldn't assume that all Game Nights follow the same logic.

No, but assuming they do wouldnt get you in to trouble. I travel a decent amount for work and play all over the US. Following the rule of 3 was instantly a basic requirement as soon as it was announced. Having played in 15 cities since it was "recommended" and in as many different stores as I could manage in them exactly zero games have been played without the home team expecting me to use the Ro3. With limited space on flights, I can't assume it isn't the case and bring four squads of Dominions assuming it would be fine.

Ro3 is spam soup or spam troops, terrible rule that doesn't fix anything. It is in place though, just about everywhere.

Can you get by playing games without Rule of 3, Detachment Limits, Tactical Reserves, and Battle Brothers?

Sure. But I'll secretly be judging you the whole time.

Just call yourself an Open War player, use points cost or Power Level if you really need some organization, and move on. I okay a Biker army with zero troops in it. I need special permission to field it, and even then it's not that good of a list anyway, with only a few Spearhead Detachments. And my opponent knows this ahead of time, and we play.... Open War. It's almost Narrative now that it's been a common grudge match. (White Scars vs Ravenwing)

This is a question on Gamers etiquette and personal opinions, so it will all vary group to group, person to person.

My group uses the Chapter Approved method of adding +1 to the first turn roll for our games. That is technically a House rule since only Chapter Approved missions include that change. We implemented it long before CA because it was introduced as a Tournament rule. We all accepted it was a better, more balanced way to play except for ONE player who purposely builds lists with low drops for that very advantage of first turn. And he's not really wrong either, but we all consider it a thick headed move, so they don't find games very often.

I haven't played since this became a thing but if I do play again I'd like to not use it, just because I bought three Start Collecting Slaanesh Daemons boxes and instead of making three Exalted Chariots (which suck) I made five Hellflayers (which suck slightly less) and a Herald on a Seeker Chariot (which sucks and is about to cease to exist).

Good job GW nerfed the power of my army, eh?

 Blndmage wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
All I see there is "an organized event such as a tournament."

That language does not exclusively limit the rules to tournaments, does it?

Is a weekly games night an organized event? Yes, the store plans around it (trust me, I can't go play on Magic the Gathering night and the Magic players can't fit in the store on 40k night. The store has to be very organized, including putting up signs and making FB posts).

But it's not the same kind of event as a tournament, it's more like when a tournament event has an open play area. Very different in attitude.

So apart from tournaments what events you then consider that? Because tournament related things aren't only thing so if your example involves "tournament" somewherE(like "tournament even tthat has open play area" it's not only thing. There's OTHER situations than those.

Besides it's pretty much irrelevant what text says if in practice those are followed elsewhere too. I have seen more groups ban premeasuring than not following rule of 3.


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 Marmatag wrote:
This is why I play in tournaments. There is no discussion of what rules, what mission, etc. It's standardized so this discussion just doesn't exist.

Oh really? Then what are all those differing rule sets for tournaments...

Not an issue for me, as I don’t ever want to paint more than 3 of anything.

But at this point, when I arrange a game I make it clear that it’s a ITC Matched play game, or a Maelstrom of War Matched Point game. That filters out some of the more problematic gamers.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
I haven't played since this became a thing but if I do play again I'd like to not use it, just because I bought three Start Collecting Slaanesh Daemons boxes and instead of making three Exalted Chariots (which suck) I made five Hellflayers (which suck slightly less) and a Herald on a Seeker Chariot (which sucks and is about to cease to exist).

Good job GW nerfed the power of my army, eh?

*buys new models*

*Ignores rule of three and build five of a unit to have a more powerful army*

*complains about rule of three*

The thing is, those things suck. Just because hellflayers are better then exalted, doesn't make either good. The rule of 3 was brought up, or at least that I was told, to curb the most powerful builds.

But from the looks what is winning, the best army stayed at the top just stoped running 3x3 reapers and starting taking one unit of 10. In fact from the games I played and watched this summer, it looks as if the changes had one goal in reality. Nerf all armies other then eldar, specially tyranids which hive tyrant build were eldar counter.

Ohh the rule wasn't made to curb the most powerful builds. It was created to encourage diversity in choices on the field.

Glad to fix that for you.

How is limiting the number of units encourging anything. A unit that is valid as a 5-6 choice, probablly won't be as a 1-3, unless it was super powerful to begin with. Vide eldar flyers, reapers, s spears etc.

Some armies went from having one build to having 0 builds post the errata.

Also you made me recheck BoLS, people that are testers for GW were advocating the nerfing of units like multiple tyranid hive tyrants. How is that not wanting to nerf the better lists.

Plus the big errata before, when stormravens and razorbacks got nerfed, the same arguments were used. Too good, while eldar stuff remained untouched. Back then stuff like too good synergy wtihr re-rolls was brought up. But the SR and razorbacks were also nerfed for armies that did not have access to the re rolls on their SR and razorbacks.

No worries, as long as you're good facing power spam.

Honestly, Rule of TWO is better for non-Troops / non-Core.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
I haven't played since this became a thing but if I do play again I'd like to not use it, just because I bought three Start Collecting Slaanesh Daemons boxes and instead of making three Exalted Chariots (which suck) I made five Hellflayers (which suck slightly less) and a Herald on a Seeker Chariot (which sucks and is about to cease to exist).

Good job GW nerfed the power of my army, eh?

*buys new models*

*Ignores rule of three and build five of a unit to have a more powerful army*

*complains about rule of three*

Given your location, I'll be generous and assume that English is not your first language so I'll just gently reiterate that the rule of three wasn't a thing when I bought my army and built the Chariots.