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My storm ravens aren't female, this is a travesty.

But, GW is selling a Social Justice Lipstick paint pot now, so i can make some fancy lips on them.

Maybe when they finish replacing resin kits with plastic we'll get some bodacious incubi again.

Thbbt to pronoun oversights. Go get yourself some spare Warrior/Hellion/Scourge/Wych torsos and kitbash an all-female Incubi squad.

Wouldn't a female incubi be a succubi

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Wouldn't a female incubi be a succubi

nope. totally separate groups within Dark Eldar society, GW is just not very good at naming things.

Wouldn't a Rhino Primaris be able to transport Primaris Marines?

Isn't a Primaris Psyker a Primaris Marine?

the_scotsman wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Wouldn't a female incubi be a succubi

nope. totally separate groups within Dark Eldar society, GW is just not very good at naming things.

Wouldn't a Rhino Primaris be able to transport Primaris Marines?

Isn't a Primaris Psyker a Primaris Marine?

...... he is talking about the RL lore of Succubi and Incubi.......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succubus

 Amishprn86 wrote:


...... he is talking about the RL lore of Succubi and Incubi.......

Everybody knows that. But it is just the origin of the name (or origin of the Imperial translation of the name, really.) They're not demons, they're space elves. Space marine Rhino is not a thick-skinned African ungulate that decided to join the space military, it's a tank.

 Crimson wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:


...... he is talking about the RL lore of Succubi and Incubi.......

Everybody knows that. But it is just the origin of the name (or origin of the Imperial translation of the name, really.) They're not demons, they're space elves. Space marine Rhino is not a thick-skinned African ungulate that decided to join the space military, it's a tank.

Look this is the 2010s not the 1800s. If a thick-skinned African ungulate wants to join the space military in service to the God Emperor of Bipedal Apes then he's got every right to! You can't just go discriminating against African ungulates!

*gets his coat - flees the thread at top speed!*

 Amishprn86 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Wouldn't a female incubi be a succubi

nope. totally separate groups within Dark Eldar society, GW is just not very good at naming things.

Wouldn't a Rhino Primaris be able to transport Primaris Marines?

Isn't a Primaris Psyker a Primaris Marine?

...... he is talking about the RL lore of Succubi and Incubi.......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succubus

.............................................and he is incorrectly applying them to 40k, where they are just names, and the answer is "nope".............................i have more passive aggressive pause dots than you...........................

Say what you want, but DE current lore is that Succubus can only be female so it is about GW. If you read the Incubi lore it only refers to them as males (Him, His, he etc..)

With that said you can have your own lore and make Females, it is a hobby/modeling game.

Please knock this SJW crap on the head.

Incubi are male end of. Witch cults predominantly female but those males within a cult being of lower status, that is just the way the factions evolved in the lore.

Jeezus.

 Overread wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:


...... he is talking about the RL lore of Succubi and Incubi.......

Everybody knows that. But it is just the origin of the name (or origin of the Imperial translation of the name, really.) They're not demons, they're space elves. Space marine Rhino is not a thick-skinned African ungulate that decided to join the space military, it's a tank.

Look this is the 2010s not the 1800s. If a thick-skinned African ungulate wants to join the space military in service to the God Emperor of Bipedal Apes then he's got every right to! You can't just go discriminating against African ungulates!

*gets his coat - flees the thread at top speed!*

Yeah, and what if the thick-skinned African ungulate identifies as a tank? Are you going to tell it no? I mean, its a big animal with a big horn.

 Galef wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
>Female space marines

Male Sisters of Battle. We'll call them the Brodeptus Sororitas.

Pretty sure the Sororitas part of the name is from the Latin soror (“sister”), so the correct term for male Sisters of Battle would be Adeptus Broritos.

Or Adeptus Fraternicus. Frat meaning Bro in latin

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You just gave me a pretty great idea for a troll space marine army.


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Metal incubi had boobs...just sayin.

I like how there is nothing so niche that people won't be upset when asked if there are females represented.

Asking if there are female incubi is a perfectly reasonable question. Dark Eldar are explicitly genderless for nearly all social roles, so asking if the language in one lore section was using him/his in a gendered sense, or in the genderless sense, is actually pretty understandable.

So did Roman Gladiators. They ate ALL THE CARBS to create a nice fatty layer to protect their precious muscle. Boob armour doesn't mean anything for poor quality ancient models.

Look at the other Aspects.

(Yes, it's not explicit that Incubi are Aspect Warriors, but it's highly implied. Further, even if they are not, the logic here works the same.)

Guardian kits have male & female models - they wear space-Spandex, so it's not unsurprising. Same thing with Wyches - due to what they wear, you can tell them apart.

Dire Avengers and Aspects wearing heavier armor means you can't see the difference. Swooping Hawks and Banshees have equally rigid armor. You can't see if they are male and female.

No, lumping Banshees in with the others there was not a mistake. They look female. But they don't look like whoever is wearing the armor: they look like the frightening visage of a Banshee, from Eldar mythology. Or do you think that's really their hair? Do you think that's really what their face looks like? Further evidence of this is comparing the Banshee form to the Guardian form: why are those wearing the heavier armor so much more... obvious? Because it's not the wearer's form. It's presentation.

The fluff is split on whether males can be Banshees (although more recently the fluff has skewed towards yes). But whether it's a male or female wearing the armor, they look like a Banshee from myth - so they look female.

Now, back to other aspects: look at Fire Dragons, Striking Scorpions, Dark Reapers, and Incubi. Are you sure those models are male? Would a female in the same armor look any different? That armor is even more rigid than the lighter Aspect armor.

Even if Incubi are not "proper" Aspect Warrior, the same underlying culture created both, with similar goals, tools, and purposes. Why wouldn't Incubi match the rest of the Aspect Warriors in this regard?

So, in summary: typically, the difference between a male Incubi modle and a female Incubi model? The headcanon of the owner.

 Polonius wrote:
I like how there is nothing so niche that people won't be upset when asked if there are females represented.

Asking if there are female incubi is a perfectly reasonable question. Dark Eldar are explicitly genderless for nearly all social roles, so asking if the language in one lore section was using him/his in a gendered sense, or in the genderless sense, is actually pretty understandable.

Nice poisoning the well there. No-one is upset that "females are represented", people are upset that any notion of disagreement is instantly screeched at as being sexist or what-have-you when there are perfectly valid reasons for the lore to support something being male only. I notice that no-one who gets "upset" about male only Incubi seem to be upset that males can't be Adeptus Sororitas. Double standards much? (Real World Parallel: These are the same people that get upset that rules to stop single gender college clubs apply to all female clubs too, despite the rules being "intended" to end male only clubs.)

And in any case, you're more than welcome to just make up your own fluff. Nothing is stopping you, and likewise nothing is stopping me from rolling my eyes and ignoring it. If you want Female Spess Mahrines or Male Sisters of Silence, go nuts. No-one cares about your own little bubble, they care about established lore being changed due to extremist bigot screeching.

Also,
There have been, over the years, places in the rules where a gendered pronoun has been used for a player in the game. Arguing that the gendered pronoun mean all Incubi must be male would be parallel to arguing all players of the game *must* be male and not female, while they also *must* be female and not male.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
I like how there is nothing so niche that people won't be upset when asked if there are females represented.

Asking if there are female incubi is a perfectly reasonable question. Dark Eldar are explicitly genderless for nearly all social roles, so asking if the language in one lore section was using him/his in a gendered sense, or in the genderless sense, is actually pretty understandable.

Nice poisoning the well there. No-one is upset that "females are represented", people are upset that any notion of disagreement is instantly screeched at as being sexist or what-have-you when there are perfectly valid reasons for the lore to support something being male only.

I mean, one person literally said:

Marmatag wrote: But, GW is selling a Social Justice Lipstick paint pot now, so i can make some fancy lips on them.

and another

NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:Please knock this SJW crap on the head.

Incubi are male end of. Witch cults predominantly female but those males within a cult being of lower status, that is just the way the factions evolved in the lore.

Jeezus.

I guess when we can try to parse if they are upset that they are being judged (even though they hadn't posted in the thread, and nobody was being judgmental), or if they just dislike SJW type questions. You know, because they used the term, which is virtually always used in a derogatory fashion.

I notice that no-one who gets "upset" about male only Incubi seem to be upset that males can't be Adeptus Sororitas. Double standards much?

Real talk: I don't think anybody in this thread is upset. People asked a question about a normally genderless society. Literally nobody was upset.

It's also possible that people aren't interest in male SoB. Not everything is done as part of an agenda or troll. If somebody wanted to build power armored Frateris Militia as part of a rogue order that violated the Decree Passive... that'd actually be pretty cool. They wouldn't be technically Sisters of Battle, because that's literally an in-universe legal dodge, but non-space marine power armored warriors are cool.

(Real World Parallel: These are the same people that get upset that rules to stop single gender college clubs apply to all female clubs too, despite the rules being "intended" to end male only clubs.)

So, some people are. Here's a hint: some women support same sex spaces, in the same way that some men do. The problem wasn't that there were some clubs or associations that were same gender, it's that some of those clubs or associations had disproportionate power or influence, and were only one gender. If everybody that joins the best club got a huge career boost, but they only accept males, that's pretty openly unfair to women, right?

And in any case, you're more than welcome to just make up your own fluff. Nothing is stopping you, and likewise nothing is stopping me from rolling my eyes and ignoring it. If you want Female Spess Mahrines or Male Sisters of Silence, go nuts. No-one cares about your own little bubble, they care about established lore being changed due to extremist bigot screeching.

Do you need a nap or something? Where in this thread do you see anybody even implying bigotry? Instead, it was a series of snarky comments about "identity" or "SJWs." Seriously, there's plenty of genuine nonsense in identity politics that being pissy here is just absurd.

bibotot wrote:
So, I am reading the Drukhari Codex.

Icubi.

The only known path of entry into the order is to best a proven Incubus and take his armour .Should an aspirant live long enough to achieve this murderous feat, then the final training can begin. The initiate is given a singular, spiteful task – to kill an Aspect Warrior of the Asuryani in single combat, shatter his quarry’s precious spirit stone, and return it to the Hierarch. When this task is completed, only then can he be fully inducted as an Incubus.

So what happens when a female Drukhari kills the Klaivex? She's not allowed to take his place because she is not a male, so the whole shrine is left to rot?

Scourge.

A rich and daring Drukhari may surrender themselves to the Haemonculi,requesting that their bones be hollowed out by the cold metal drills of a Talos, that bands of new muscle be grafted onto their torso, and powerful wings and adrenaline dispensers be attached to their shoulders so that they are capable of true flight.

Apparently, the plural form as gender-neutral expression for an individual is used in Scourge but not Incubi, which means it is intended. So is there any reason why Dark Eldar females are excluded from Incubi? There are male Howling Banshees and Wyches, you know.

Probably best to not take everything printed in a piece of GW published text to be 100% accurate, they struggle enough to get the rules half right, let alone keeping their fluff in order. That said after giving the wiki a quick skim it doesn't say anything about Incubi being only male and i would guess that they used he because Incubi is a gender specific word. The whole "can only become one by taking their armor" wouldn't lend itself to any sort of longevity when Incubi are killed in combat (and have their armor looted by orks or something).

Wyches are mostly female but have some males but are generally considered of lower standing where as Howling Banshees (at least according to the wiki) is all female. Not sure why that really matters beyond just being an interesting characteristic of those organizations.

The Howling Banshee part varies according to the source. Some wikis further specify that male Banshees are rare, but they do happen. Fluffwise, there's no way to know, looking at a Banshee model, if they're male or female.

@Polonius.

Yes, these types of question do irritate me at times. Primarily due to the recurring FemMarine arguement.

What anoys me the most however is that this is a game, intended for fun, inclusivity and a laugh - people seem to lose sight of this.

@OP - I am not saying you have a social agenda going on but these types of threads are getting well past their sell buy date.

Female Incubi are Succubi.

 Vector Strike wrote:
The same reason GW doesn't produce male Sucubi models... Incubi is their male counterpart

Well no, they aren't.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Please knock this SJW crap on the head.

No.

Uh...probably because it has to with the name and a cool little theme. Incubi are male demons, and Succubi are female demons I believe in our history so I got a feeling it has to do with that. Seems pretty boring but idk what else it could be.

 grumpusbumpus wrote:
Female Incubi are Succubi.

Depends on the mythology. There are some D&D-esque settings where which one an Evil person ends up becoming is based on their type of evil; rapists become Incubi and seducers become Succubi, regardless of their gender in life.

Of course, this is entirely irrelevant since Drukhari aren't demons.

Yeah I wouldn't take the fact that they use male pronous as gospel.

If they where only male they would have say that, because when some unit is only male/female, GW makes it clear, because is part of his character.

The fact that old Sucubi had female models (And Sucubi where one of the models that changed little in the remake of the range) also support the interpretation that theres female Incubi.

And male Succubus. Because as others have said, the names are not really the Eldar names, just like all the Tyranid names are the Imperial terms they have to describe those lifeforms.

So much rubbish in this thread.

Almost the entirety of fluff for Incubi covers them being highly skilled, vicious killers. Basically Striking Scorpions that have gone off the deep end. There is virtually no fluff to determine whether it's a gender specific role or not but given the nature of the Incubi Shrines I doubt it.

What there is is a short story from Gav Thorpe tying in with his Path of the Eldar books describing how the Incubus-come-Striking Scorpion character got there and it involves a fight between a Female Klaivex and a challenger for her position.

Also, since 5th ed the fluff for Wyches has had them mostly female because that gender can achieve a higher degree of agility than males but it's not universal and some males can keep up with them. However, theyre still not a match for the best female Wyches and tend to be kept around as much for "breeding stock" as anything else.


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 Galas wrote:
Yeah I wouldn't take the fact that they use male pronous as gospel.

If they where only male they would have say that, because when some unit is only male/female, GW makes it clear, because is part of his character.

The fact that old Sucubi had female models (And Sucubi where one of the models that changed little in the remake of the range) also support the interpretation that theres female Incubi.

And male Succubus. Because as others have said, the names are not really the Eldar names, just like all the Tyranid names are the Imperial terms they have to describe those lifeforms.

If you want to be specifc, the term Succubus wasn't actually used until 5th ed, in 3rd you had Dark Eldar Lord (Archon and Dracon) and Dark Eldar Wych Lord (Wych Archite, Wych Dracite).

 Imateria wrote:
So much rubbish in this thread.

Almost the entirety of fluff for Incubi covers them being highly skilled, vicious killers. Basically Striking Scorpions that have gone off the deep end. There is virtually no fluff to determine whether it's a gender specific role or not but given the nature of the Incubi Shrines I doubt it.

What there is is a short story from Gav Thorpe tying in with his Path of the Eldar books describing how the Incubus-come-Striking Scorpion character got there and it involves a fight between a Female Klaivex and a challenger for her position.

Also, since 5th ed the fluff for Wyches has had them mostly female because that gender can achieve a higher degree of agility than males but it's not universal and some males can keep up with them. However, theyre still not a match for the best female Wyches and tend to be kept around as much for "breeding stock" as anything else.


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 Galas wrote:
Yeah I wouldn't take the fact that they use male pronous as gospel.

If they where only male they would have say that, because when some unit is only male/female, GW makes it clear, because is part of his character.

The fact that old Sucubi had female models (And Sucubi where one of the models that changed little in the remake of the range) also support the interpretation that theres female Incubi.

And male Succubus. Because as others have said, the names are not really the Eldar names, just like all the Tyranid names are the Imperial terms they have to describe those lifeforms.

If you want to be specifc, the term Succubus wasn't actually used until 5th ed, in 3rd you had Dark Eldar Lord (Archon and Dracon) and Dark Eldar Wych Lord (Wych Archite, Wych Dracite).

Then you didnt read much of the fluff, ALL incubi lore always talks about "Him, his, he" and never once says "them, their her, she" etc...

Edit: Remember DE 3rd and 5th are 2 different from each other, if GW Recon some of the lore then its changed, if you want female models so be it, but dont go saying its part of the fluff b.c it isnt.

 Imateria wrote:

If you want to be specifc, the term Succubus wasn't actually used until 5th ed, in 3rd you had Dark Eldar Lord (Archon and Dracon) and Dark Eldar Wych Lord (Wych Archite, Wych Dracite).

I'm pretty sure the Succubus was the leader of Wych squads in the 3rd edition codex.