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 doctortom wrote:
Step 3 you have to determine first if there are any enemy units eligible to DtW. In this case the unit is specifically allowed to DtW only in the enemy psychic phase, but has not been given specific permission to treat it as if it were the enemy's psychic phase (only the enemy unit who used the Soulburst has that permission). If there are no eligible units to DtW, then you would process step 3 the way you do normally for an army that doesn't have any psykers.

Step 3 does not say anything about the enemy phase, it just details how DtW is done and that it happens immediately.
Unless you are referring to an enemy psyker's datasheet specifically saying they can deny "in the enemy psychic phase", thereby making them ineligible to attempt outside the phase?
If so, then I agree this needs FAQ as a valid argument can be made for or against.

In the spirit of the game, however, I strongly feel DtW should be allowed. Otherwise you give players more reason to complain about Ynnari

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 Galef wrote:

 doctortom wrote:
Step 3 you have to determine first if there are any enemy units eligible to DtW. In this case the unit is specifically allowed to DtW only in the enemy psychic phase, but has not been given specific permission to treat it as if it were the enemy's psychic phase (only the enemy unit who used the Soulburst has that permission). If there are no eligible units to DtW, then you would process step 3 the way you do normally for an army that doesn't have any psykers.

Step 3 does not say anything about the enemy phase, it just details how DtW is done and that it happens immediately.

Unless you are referring to an enemy psyker's datasheet specifically saying they can deny "in the enemy psychic phase", thereby making them ineligible to attempt outside the phase?
If so, then I agree this needs FAQ as a valid argument can be made for or against.

In the spirit of the game, however, I strongly feel DtW should be allowed. Otherwise you give players more reason to complain about Ynnari

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Don't forget, they specifically mentioned Overwatch being able to be done in a Soulburst charge. Going with your argument they wouldn't have needed to mention it as it would be similar to DtW being mentioned.


But yes, I'm referring back to the enemy psyker's datasheet saying that. That was what we had been given early on in the thread.

Spirit of the game, I can see allowing a DtW. It's just not there from a RAW standpoint.

Step three states you can deny even if though it's not your turn.

If as if counts the time as the other players turn, which it must to be able to complete the psychiatrist test, then you can dtw.

blaktoof wrote:
Step three states you can deny even if though it's not your turn.

If as if counts the time as the other players turn, which it must to be able to complete the psychiatrist test, then you can dtw.

Step 3, a general statement about being able to Deny the Witch, isn't the issue. The issue is that the datasheet in question says the psyker can DtW in the enemy's psychic phase, but does not have any permission from Soulburst that he can treat it as the enemy's psychic phase. RAW, barring permission as such he can't DtW; Codex is going to supercede basic rules.