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We'll be really close to not needing the Indexes at all any more, and one of the complaints of 40k needing 'too many books' will at least get a tiny bit better.

Stux wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:

Stux wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Inquisition needs a codex at some point, though they are in a weird spot since GW hasn't given them models in a long while.

Eisenhorn was out earlier this year.

While it was cool to see him in plastic that was a publicity stunt. The current model range is old, metal and there is no way to sport most of the options with out kit bashing extensively. While I am 100 percent fine with that GW has shown a nearly callous disregard for models they don't sell directly. That has me questioning where they are taking the army in future.

I wouldn't say callous, they just learned a hard lesson about IP from Chapter House!

At least we know where we stand. If there's no model, GW can't afford to risk supporting it.

I consider it callous to suddenly purge a ton of options that they make the models for it just requires some work with a hobby knife and maybe some green stuff to make. I get that they took the decision that they can't protect things they don't make hard but GW has gone to far in the other direction.

Suddenly!? When did Biker Librarians last have a model?

You're having a full edition where they are legal but with clear warning signs, how is that sudden?


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 BaconCatBug wrote:
I don't see why GW wouldn't do an Ynnari codex. After all, selling you the same rules twice is their game now.

Sure. Even if it's a slim tome with just the 3 data sheets in it, they could probably still charge like £15 if it had some new Strats and people would buy it!

GW sells a Liberian model and a bike model. If anything letting the option stick around makes them money. And it was pretty sudden that from index to codex options just vanished.

GW sold a Farseer and a Eldar Jetbike model. Then Chapterhouse.

HoundsofDemos wrote:

Stux wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:

Stux wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Inquisition needs a codex at some point, though they are in a weird spot since GW hasn't given them models in a long while.

Eisenhorn was out earlier this year.

While it was cool to see him in plastic that was a publicity stunt. The current model range is old, metal and there is no way to sport most of the options with out kit bashing extensively. While I am 100 percent fine with that GW has shown a nearly callous disregard for models they don't sell directly. That has me questioning where they are taking the army in future.

I wouldn't say callous, they just learned a hard lesson about IP from Chapter House!

At least we know where we stand. If there's no model, GW can't afford to risk supporting it.

I consider it callous to suddenly purge a ton of options that they make the models for it just requires some work with a hobby knife and maybe some green stuff to make. I get that they took the decision that they can't protect things they don't make hard but GW has gone to far in the other direction.

Suddenly!? When did Biker Librarians last have a model?

You're having a full edition where they are legal but with clear warning signs, how is that sudden?


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 BaconCatBug wrote:
I don't see why GW wouldn't do an Ynnari codex. After all, selling you the same rules twice is their game now.

Sure. Even if it's a slim tome with just the 3 data sheets in it, they could probably still charge like £15 if it had some new Strats and people would buy it!

GW sells a Liberian model and a bike model. If anything letting the option stick around makes them money. And it was pretty sudden that from index to codex options just vanished.

But you can still use the Index option... For now. Whats the problem?

 nurgle5 wrote:

 Galef wrote:

Chaos: ??? everything is out right?

Renegade Knights got their own index, but you could argue they're technically Index only. I do think they're unlikely to get their own codex but we can hope right?

Stux wrote:


We may get a codex for Inquisitors and Assassins too, it's happened in the past.

An "Agents of the Emperor" type codex might be a nice way of bundling up the Inquisition, Assassins, Sisters of Silence -- stuff that is unlikely to get its own stand alone book.

Sisters Of Silence will be independent when FW does their thing.

Bharring wrote:
Service,
Are you sure? I thought those 3 had their rules in-box. They might be identical, but as the in-box rules were published after the Index, wouldn't that supercede the Index?

Purely a technical point, but I'm curious.

I'm pretty sure all the model rules actually appeared in Gathering Storm: Fracture of Biel-Tan, and that was on the tail end of 7th Edition as well as the release of the models. So, I don't think any 8th Edition rules have been printed for any of the Triumvirate of the Ynnead models outside of the Index... at least not yet.

SG

I'm certain they'll do a decent sized release for ynari within the next two years. With a few new death inspired infantry squads they could make a really awesome little sub faction. Creating a cool little faction from nothing seems to be their favourite thing these days - it happened with GSC, harlequins, custodes and deathwatch. Just take a little piece of established background and flesh it out further for models that no one has and lots want to buy

There were rumors of a Dark Reaper kit a while back (one where you could give every model a Shuriken Cannon). That's more likely to be a Craftworld release if it pans out, but Reapers were the first ones to worship Ynnead - long before the Triumverate.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Inquisition needs a codex at some point, though they are in a weird spot since GW hasn't given them models in a long while.

Eisenhorn? Greyfax? The FW guys? That is more models than IG or Orks got in years...

 nurgle5 wrote:
An "Agents of the Emperor" type codex might be a nice way of bundling up the Inquisition, Assassins, Sisters of Silence -- stuff that is unlikely to get its own stand alone book.

If they didn't bundled SoS with Custodes, they kinda need to make them their own army, even if it's something Renegade knights style. Say, leader Sister as HQ, bolter/flamer Sisters as troops, melee ones as elites - SoS, unlike assassins or even SoB, don't really cooperate with Inquisition...

IG got a whole new range just this year! They just put them in their own Custodes book!

At this point I don't see what else guard needs unless they are gonna put some alternative regiments in plastic.

Bharring wrote:
There were rumors of a Dark Reaper kit a while back (one where you could give every model a Shuriken Cannon). That's more likely to be a Craftworld release if it pans out, but Reapers were the first ones to worship Ynnead - long before the Triumverate.

This is actually one of the bigger reasons why I've talked about Ynnari as being an 'expansion' faction with double role kits for the Drukhari and Craftworlders.

Dark Reapers could definitely pull double duty, even without being a double kit with something else.
Drukhari could finally get an Incubi kit and Craftworlders could finally get a Scorpion kit, possibly going so far as being a triple kit with something aligned with the Visarch.
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HoundsofDemos wrote:
At this point I don't see what else guard needs unless they are gonna put some alternative regiments in plastic.

Dedicated Conscript kit.
Dedicated Veteran kit.
Recut Cadian Shock Troop kit, ala the Fire Warrior revamp--hopefully with some new weapon options so we can ditch the current Heavy Weapons and be a bit more akin to the Genestealer Hybrids.
A Rapier kit(not "needed" but would be a huge shift for the mechanics of how the Guard play)

 Kanluwen wrote:
This is actually one of the bigger reasons why I've talked about Ynnari as being an 'expansion' faction with double role kits for the Drukhari and Craftworlders.

Drhukhari, Craftworlds, Harlequins, and don't forget Corsairs. It's truly a shame that FW no longer makes Corsair conversion kits... I probably would have made at least a small patrol detachment of Corsairs to go with all their brothers and sisters in the other Eldar factions united in the Ynnari.

SG

All this and not one mention of the two forgotten Cult Legions!

I personally feel that we won't see a codex for World Eaters or Emperor's children, ever. From what I've seen it looks very unlikely they will go that route again. There were god specific books in 7e and I think they were largely unsatisfactory. At the very least we won't see those two Legions get books until the next edition.

 ServiceGames wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
This is actually one of the bigger reasons why I've talked about Ynnari as being an 'expansion' faction with double role kits for the Drukhari and Craftworlders.

Drhukhari, Craftworlds, Harlequins, and don't forget Corsairs. It's truly a shame that FW no longer makes Corsair conversion kits... I probably would have made at least a small patrol detachment of Corsairs to go with all their brothers and sisters in the other Eldar factions united in the Ynnari.

SG

I'm not expecting Corsairs to come from GW proper. There's been no word on them sadly.

I'd love to see an expansion of Eldar to cover all the ones who aren't Dark Elves or Clowns or Aspect Warriors. So Corsairs, other Outcasts, the Damned, Exodites, and even Guardians.

Corsairs do have upgrade kits. But there's only their Reaver Bands and Bikes (and they can take some transports from other factions). Nothing else - they don't even have an HQ, so need an Aux slot per unit to actually take them battle-forged.

Outcasts, aside from Corsiars (all Craftworld Corsairs are outcasts, whether DE Corsairs are outcasts is debateable) have one Finecast kit, which assumes every single Outcast carries a Sniper Rifle and pistol, and wears a holocloak. Why can't Outcasts carry other weapons? Shuriken Catapault? Lasblaster? *Lasgun* even? I would love to have some variety. And why cant they be taken in the same detatchment as other outcasts (Corsairs)?

Damned would be cool, but is probably better off as kitbashed. Some might be with other Outcasts. Others might actually just be Heralds in a Demon list, or even an Aspiring Champion of a Cultist squad.

Exodites would be cool, but still are better kitbashed. Mine use non-heavy tech - such as Brightlances and such - but no heavy tech or gear such as transports or bikes or whatnot. Others might have Exodites that do use Jetbikes. Still others don't even use Brightlances or Shuriken Catapaults. Some are best used as counts-as Craftworlders. Some might be better as other books (Skink Gaunts with Eldar Knight Genestealers and Saurus Warrior Nid Warriors, lead by a Lord riding an Anklyosaur as a Hive Tyrant?). So one model range might impinge on Exodites more than help them.

While Guardians have a kit, it's only passibly more than monopose garbage. Plus a bad Storm Guardian upgrade kit. A new kit would be an opportunity to give them more flexibility than just "Here's a Shuriken Catapault" - after all, GW has shown that the only way to get rules is to have an official kit.

I would love to see an "Eldar Armed Citizenry" kit, with assorted weapon options (Shuriken Catapault, Lasblaster, Eldar Long Rifle). Most of the same options could build Guardians, Corsairs, or Outcasts. Rangers could still be their own kit, if needed, but this would really flesh out the basic troops of two factions, and be really cool.

I don't see it happening, though.

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Indeed, Agents of the Imperium would be a good release. You could easily make that be the Inquisition, Assassins and Sisters book.

As for Ynnari, I could easily see a book released with Ynnari specific datasheets, rather than pulling from 3 other Codices. It would include the 3 Ynnari character, of course, but also Ynnari Farseer, Ynnari Archon, etc. as well as Guardians, Dire Avengers, Wyches, Kabalits and Harlie Troupes. Add in a handful of other choices and you have a full codex.
No need to trade rules for SfD or limit what choices can be taken for other books as the datasheets within the book would already do this.

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This would also allow them to point balance Ynnari as their own faction.

This has been the suggestion from day 1. Many have asked GW to do this, lets hope they do.


But i know this is for GW armies and not FW, I REALLY want my Corsairs back