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2018/08/15 12:50:14
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Raichase wrote:
Big thanks for the heads up, might have to look at that! It's not hard slapping Khorne Red on my Word Bearers with a tankbrush, but anything to speed the process up is appreciated!
Something to keep in mind is some people say the colour of the army painter sprays don't quite match up with things so it can be difficult if you need to touch up bits. Be a good idea to look into how people manage with it if you're not confident you can paint all the detailing without going over into the areas you want to stay red.
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2018/08/15 13:01:35
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Mekboy on Kustom Deth Kopta
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I am all for them doing base colored plastic, like the ork bikers and buggies in the speed freaks being red and yellow, ork infantry coming green. base marine kits being blue, necrons silver etc. it sure beats grey tide.
as or the complaints of base coating due to humidity or disability (more sympathetic there) you can brush on vallejo primer, or use a paint booth with good ventilation out a window (they cost under $100 on amazon, one is only $60) or find somebody with an airbrush. I am happy to base coat anybody in my area's army, have before, will again. i have an air conditioned garage in Florida (100% humidity most days) so priming and letting set in the dry air for half an hour or so between prime and base coat is enough to cure it, also one can control for more air in an airbrush so it blow dries as you apply primer and base coat. in a few hours you can base coast several thousand points from grey tide to whatever color tide.
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2018/08/15 13:47:10
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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Painting a grey tide is a rather big investment these days:
Spray and multiple paints can become rather expensive moneywise, and also timewise.
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Former moderator 40kOnline
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Armies: Eldar, Necrons, Blood Angels, Grey Knights; World Eaters (30k); Bloodbound; Cryx, Circle, Cyriss |
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2018/08/15 15:09:21
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I once saw two marine players at a local game night (both grey horde) not being able to tell who owned what minis in a close combat. Lol
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2018/08/15 15:17:23
Subject: Re:Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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I think having different armies come in different colored plastics will help with those players that are less interested in painting to get into the game. the hobbying can come later if they want it.
Personally I won't put an unpainted miniature on a gaming table; that's not how I roll. But I'm ok with others having different standards - some are just not good at, or interested in, painting and would rather game.
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2018/08/15 18:24:19
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter
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Stormonu wrote:
Considering I've got models from thirty years ago that haven't even been primed yet, it can be a chore. Anything that can help me get the models to the table faster so I'm spending less time painting and more time playing (or admiring them, in my case) is a godsend.
There are times I look at my kid's toys - action figures that come pre-painted, assembled and ready to play and I wonder why I spend my time paying 5-10 times as much for figures that I've got to cut off sprues, glue together and paint - all before I can play a single game.
Easy answer: I like building and painting. It's half the fun.
If you don't, you're probably not in the right hobby.
[Of course, I also have a massive pile to grey shame.]
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Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades! |
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2018/08/15 19:53:30
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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Building, I do like.
Painting, not so much.
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2018/08/15 20:10:36
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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If they did introduce that en masse, I'd be 100% for it. Although I'm a very poor painter, I don't think that straight off the box coloured stuff will look better anyway, however, it can't be decent enough for people who dislike painting or can't do it fast enough to bring visually less boring stuff onto the gaming table.
I just hope the prices woundn't soar straight through the roof, because that's very likely.
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40k: Necrons/Imperial Guard/ Space marines
Bolt Action: Germany/ USA
Project Z.
"The Dakka Dive Bar is the only place you'll hear what's really going on in the underhive. Sure you might not find a good amasec but they grill a mean groxburger. Just watch for ratlings being thrown through windows and you'll be alright." Ciaphas Cain, probably. |
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2018/08/15 20:11:15
Subject: Re:Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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As a teenager playing RT I didn't paint, but I did at least spray a base coat so my army was all the same colour despite the mix of metal, grey and beige plastic...
Fast-forward to now, 25 years later, and the paint system and YouTube tutorials are so good I'm going all-out for a fully painted WYSIWYG army and I'm thoroughly enjoying it
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2018/08/15 20:11:59
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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Tibs Ironblood wrote:I do think there are in fact a lot of people who don't want to paint and I am one of them. Assembling I don't mind, but painting requires a lot more effort, time and skill that I just don't have or want to put the effort into attempting to obtain. The painting aspect (alongside the price) has been the #1 obstacle for people to try and get through when it comes to getting into the hobby. I think the colored plastic right now is an attempt to ease people into painting and make starting up user friendly.
Personally I am a bit surprised there is not some sort of official painting service offered by GW. The market is there, but I am sure that far smarter people have ran the numbers and found that to offer such would negatively effect overall income. Either you have mass produced crap people won't pay for are high quality stuff that is going to be hard to keep up with and make the hobby even more expensive thus prohibitive for new people.
Hey yeah so these 10 dudes are $60 and if you want them to look like they do on the box you need to pay another $60. Good luck with that sales pitch.
I think its a lot simpler than that - it boils down to manpower.
GW is a major company with a sizable customer base. If they offer to paint models they would experience a sudden deluge of models to paint. Which means more painters would to be hired to keep up with the demand, they would have to trained in order to assure quality, and they would have to paid. GW simply could not meet such demands.
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A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
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2018/08/15 22:07:40
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Every body plays the "hobby" for varying reasons. There is no right or wrong answer here. Some people love to model, paint and play. Others don't love to play but love the other two. Some just want to play but don't want to paint and assemble because it's no choice.
To say otherwise is just wrong and please stop telling people how to enjoy "the hobby". Seeing how there is lot of grey tide being played shows that some people just don't like to paint.
So to say it's not a big deal to prime or paint, it's easy may be ok for you, but for someone else they have a reason not to do so. So let's please let people enjoy the hobby how they like it.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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2018/08/16 01:11:06
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Keeper of the Flame
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As long as paint will adhere to the models without and undercoat, I can only see this as a good thing. It facilitates the people who play that aren't as good of a hobbyist as some of us, and anyone who doesn't want that sort of fig can repaint the entire model. It's win/win.
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www.classichammer.com
For 4-6th WFB, 2-5th 40k, and similar timeframe gaming
Looking for dice from the new AOS boxed set and Dark Imperium on the cheap. Let me know if you can help.
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2018/08/16 01:16:07
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Just Tony wrote:As long as paint will adhere to the models without and undercoat, I can only see this as a good thing. It facilitates the people who play that aren't as good of a hobbyist as some of us, and anyone who doesn't want that sort of fig can repaint the entire model. It's win/win.
My experience with it is regardless of the color of the plastic, it still needs a base coat to come out right.
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2018/08/16 01:17:48
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Posts with Authority
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When I get new models, my 'paint guy' always asks that I do NOT spray paint them. Considering it's usually a couple of weeks before he gets them, I have a lot of grey dudes on the table for a bit.
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2018/08/16 01:57:42
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Keeper of the Flame
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HoundsofDemos wrote: Just Tony wrote:As long as paint will adhere to the models without and undercoat, I can only see this as a good thing. It facilitates the people who play that aren't as good of a hobbyist as some of us, and anyone who doesn't want that sort of fig can repaint the entire model. It's win/win.
My experience with it is regardless of the color of the plastic, it still needs a base coat to come out right.
And my experience with collecting and customizing Transformers is that the right paint will adhere to plastic if it's washed well enough. At least the TF plastic...
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www.classichammer.com
For 4-6th WFB, 2-5th 40k, and similar timeframe gaming
Looking for dice from the new AOS boxed set and Dark Imperium on the cheap. Let me know if you can help.
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2018/08/16 08:26:35
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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cuda1179 wrote:I once saw two marine players at a local game night (both grey horde) not being able to tell who owned what minis in a close combat. Lol
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2018/08/16 08:40:54
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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CthuluIsSpy wrote: Tibs Ironblood wrote:I do think there are in fact a lot of people who don't want to paint and I am one of them. Assembling I don't mind, but painting requires a lot more effort, time and skill that I just don't have or want to put the effort into attempting to obtain. The painting aspect (alongside the price) has been the #1 obstacle for people to try and get through when it comes to getting into the hobby. I think the colored plastic right now is an attempt to ease people into painting and make starting up user friendly.
Personally I am a bit surprised there is not some sort of official painting service offered by GW. The market is there, but I am sure that far smarter people have ran the numbers and found that to offer such would negatively effect overall income. Either you have mass produced crap people won't pay for are high quality stuff that is going to be hard to keep up with and make the hobby even more expensive thus prohibitive for new people.
Hey yeah so these 10 dudes are $60 and if you want them to look like they do on the box you need to pay another $60. Good luck with that sales pitch.
I think its a lot simpler than that - it boils down to manpower.
GW is a major company with a sizable customer base. If they offer to paint models they would experience a sudden deluge of models to paint. Which means more painters would to be hired to keep up with the demand, they would have to trained in order to assure quality, and they would have to paid. GW simply could not meet such demands.
Absolutly. And I'm actually not sure it'd work considering the price of that service: you have to be very, very, very rich to afford that, and since it's meant to be a game and a hobby, I'm not sure it'd be worth such ludicrous amount of money. Paying a little extra for coloured sprues would be alroght, but paying twice the squad... no please, that's way over my wallet.
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40k: Necrons/Imperial Guard/ Space marines
Bolt Action: Germany/ USA
Project Z.
"The Dakka Dive Bar is the only place you'll hear what's really going on in the underhive. Sure you might not find a good amasec but they grill a mean groxburger. Just watch for ratlings being thrown through windows and you'll be alright." Ciaphas Cain, probably. |
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2018/08/16 08:40:58
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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cuda1179 wrote:I once saw two marine players at a local game night (both grey horde) not being able to tell who owned what minis in a close combat. Lol
I always recommend putting some mark on the bottom of a base if a model is unpainted or using a common colour scheme so you can at the very least make sure you walk away with all the models you showed up with. I used to use a dot of scorpion green under the base of my space marines personally.
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2018/08/16 09:08:34
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Fixture of Dakka
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IronBrand wrote: cuda1179 wrote:I once saw two marine players at a local game night (both grey horde) not being able to tell who owned what minis in a close combat. Lol
I always recommend putting some mark on the bottom of a base if a model is unpainted or using a common colour scheme so you can at the very least make sure you walk away with all the models you showed up with. I used to use a dot of scorpion green under the base of my space marines personally.
exactly the thing people do here. they cut the model and the base, so if someone steals the model everyone can check who it was bought from. some people have models with signs by people that are dead right now, and people still recognise them. The signs are different things. team names, nicknames, political glyphs etc
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If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain. |
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2018/08/16 09:28:57
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Brother Castor wrote:I remember 1st edition Space Hulk. All the Terminators and Genestealers were blue plastic, and all had black bases except the sergeants who had red bases.
Actually, one squad had black bases and the other had grey.
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2018/08/16 10:03:27
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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AndrewGPaul wrote: Brother Castor wrote:I remember 1st edition Space Hulk. All the Terminators and Genestealers were blue plastic, and all had black bases except the sergeants who had red bases.
Actually, one squad had black bases and the other had grey.
So they did! Good memory!
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2018/08/16 11:11:57
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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Skitarii in the KT box were red, but the Neophytes were still grey, so no
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P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it. |
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2018/08/16 13:11:54
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Disciplined Sea Guard
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When I first got into the hobby almost 20 years asgo now I painted as I played and at least half of my army was the grey horde. As time passed I self imposed a rule upon myself that I would not field any unpainted miniatures. Let me tell you that decision has delayed so many games and lists but it did get me to buckle down and actually paint instead of procrastinating. I think color cast sprues in intro sets and the easy to build set are a great idea. For people just getting into the hobby or starting an army it really does give a jump start. Personally though I hope they don't change all the kits to colored sprues since certain sprays tend to have trouble covering red, yellow, or black in particular.
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"The world's best swordsman doesn't fear the second best; he fears the worst swordsman, because he can't predict what the idiot will do."-Admiral Honor Harrington (David Weber's take on Twain's original quote) |
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2018/08/16 13:25:39
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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having just built my first Primaris that came on a Blue plastic Sprue and I'm painting them Raven Guard black..
they are stupidly hard to get coverage of paint that doesn't eventually have me screaming in frustration at another bright blue spot that I didn't spot after base coating
Grey plastic is a LOT more forgiving ... as it is not as high a contrast
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2018/08/16 18:21:18
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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Reanimation_Protocol wrote:having just built my first Primaris that came on a Blue plastic Sprue and I'm painting them Raven Guard black..
they are stupidly hard to get coverage of paint that doesn't eventually have me screaming in frustration at another bright blue spot that I didn't spot after base coating
Grey plastic is a LOT more forgiving ... as it is not as high a contrast
Odd, I got the blue plastic marines and sprayed some white and others green - had no problem covering over the blue. I’m just using simple Krylon paints too.
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2018/08/16 22:48:29
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Arachnofiend wrote:
Or people in more humid areas. I tried spray paint once for my Death Guards minis and uh, it did not go well.
Can't help with the disabled part, but it's pretty humid where I'm living right now.
I've found that spraying outside, then after a minute, moving the stuff inside under the bathroom fan has been working for me.
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2018/08/16 23:03:44
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Ancient Chaos Terminator
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The coloured sprues seem to be present in the boardgames or the general 'boxed' games or starter kits.
I don't think we're going to see coloured sprues for everything - just for games that are intended as stand-alones or for beginners. Shadespire was a good example - you could literally assemble the models out of the box and play the game straight off. No paint needed to distinguish between Side A and Side B. Same with the other games getting them.
It's all very beginner friendly or for those not really into the hobby but perhaps more into boardgames.
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2018/08/17 07:29:51
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Flashy Flashgitz
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1) Black Primer, 100% coverage.
2) White Primer, one clean spray, only from the top of the model downwards.
3) Any ink or wash, 100% coverage.
This will take 30 seconds a model (actually probably less), not including drying time. You can do different color washes if you want to distinguish certain things from an army etc. And the best thing is that this base is a perfect starting point to complete painting if you can ever be bothered. Requires zero brush work and you can be as messy as all hell and it still looks fine. e.g.
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2018/08/17 08:02:37
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Norn Queen
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Whaaaaa? You did him in 30 seconds?!
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Dman137 wrote:
goobs is all you guys will ever be
By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.
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2018/08/17 08:14:26
Subject: Is the "grey tide" going to be eliminated slowly?
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Flashy Flashgitz
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Yep, and the brush I used was almost the same size as the model. Literally zero care was made in applying those washes, I used three colours though (cheating compared to my 3 step guide). I actually painted that model while I had my post still open to reply.
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