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SeanDrake wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

Spoletta wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

Spoletta wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I am not too bothered about the bolter. Living Lightning and the Freki and Geri psychic powers seem OP to me.

Whats that, SWs hate maleficarum - well SW armies are going to be packing psykers in like Malefic Lords pre-nerf!

As previously said, it's not creep if they are just stepping up something that didn't work. Librarians are costed to be in melee, and they are finally starting to understand what it takes for a librarian to get in there. Even with Freki and Geri i'm not sure that they are going to be that good.

The problem is now spacewolfs are worth marines current points cost while no other chapter is, BA and DA are closer than vanilla but not there yet.
If Space furries see a massive powerjump like it looks their is going to be no price cuts for other marines so it consigns 3 codex's to the unplayable bin alongside Grey knights

As GW has a pathological aversion to just admitting that its marine and marines +1 codex and now marines +2 codex and assigning points cost accordingly.

From what the spoilers are saying, i'm not seeing anything that makes SW better than BA or DA.

Full codex reivews are out on youtube and oh boy do TWC look like the most broken marine unit along with wolfen with the correct build.

What say it isn’t so, SW are marines turned up to 12 and slathered in cheese that’s never happened before *snigger*

Didn't follow those, care to elaborate what they have turned into?

Didn't follow those, care to elaborate what they have turned into?

If what they are saying is true, then Space Wolves, like every other previous time they've been released are Space Marines + 1.. Essentially better then the main codex, either for cheaper, or just overall better, but never having to pay extra for such.

I'd rather have another codex added to the good pile than the bad one. Let's not be upset they finally did a marine book well (which I'm still not sure about)

Just gotta keep communicating with GW about the bad books in hopes they'll fix the bad books. More than ever before they do seem interested in trying to balance things.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Didn't follow those, care to elaborate what they have turned into?

If what they are saying is true, then Space Wolves, like every other previous time they've been released are Space Marines + 1.. Essentially better then the main codex, either for cheaper, or just overall better, but never having to pay extra for such.

Mind linking the leaks? Hasn't appeared in the News and Rumors subforum yet.

here one https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/3200

Yeah a lot of that sounds about right.

BrianDavion wrote:
here one https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/3200

I saw that one, but didn't find anything particularly powerful. Sure, it's better than vanillarines, but better than DA and BA? Those chapters on paper have some impressing stuff too.

"Divide this circle into 13..."
<Designer quits>

They can build total death star thunderwolf cav + 4 charictors and they are damn near unstoppable.

Basically take dawneagles and make them 30 points cheaper.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
"Divide this circle into 13..."
<Designer quits>

That made me chuckle.

Looks like the "cured" Primaris aren't cured since the Wulfen curse lives on through them. Looks like we may see the Black Rage make it's way into Blood Angels Primaris armies.

Ice_can wrote:
They can build total death star thunderwolf cav + 4 charictors and they are damn near unstoppable.

Basically take dawneagles and make them 30 points cheaper.

Without flying and shooting? One less wound, one less T, 4" less movement and in general worse melee stats? 30 points cheaper is fair, even before adding the cost of all that support.

Also, last time i checked a deathstar that is easily stopped by a screen wasn't considered particularly good.

Spoletta wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
They can build total death star thunderwolf cav + 4 charictors and they are damn near unstoppable.

Basically take dawneagles and make them 30 points cheaper.

Without flying and shooting? Only 3W? Seems fair.

Also, last time i checked a deathstar that is easily stopped by a screen wasn't considered particularly good.

Even better, they have 4 less Move,cant fly,cant get into Ruins,have no shooting, 1 Less toughness,1 less wound

3 wounds is significantly worse than 4, due to the number of weapons that can do 3 damage being much higher than the number that do 4. D6 damage weapons also do 4+ damage 50% of the time, but 3+ damage 66% of the time, making 4 wound more likely to soak two shots from those weapons.

D2 weapons treat them the same though, and don't forget you only need a couple of Storm Shields for tanking higher AP weapons.

Shinymarine wrote:

Spoletta wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
They can build total death star thunderwolf cav + 4 charictors and they are damn near unstoppable.

Basically take dawneagles and make them 30 points cheaper.

Without flying and shooting? Only 3W? Seems fair.

Also, last time i checked a deathstar that is easily stopped by a screen wasn't considered particularly good.

Even better, they have 4 less Move,cant fly,cant get into Ruins,have no shooting, 1 Less toughness,1 less wound

Go look at the codex and deny the powercreep furrie favouritism.

Spoletta wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
They can build total death star thunderwolf cav + 4 charictors and they are damn near unstoppable.

Basically take dawneagles and make them 30 points cheaper.

Without flying and shooting? One less wound, one less T, 4" less movement and in general worse melee stats? 30 points cheaper is fair, even before adding the cost of all that support.

Also, last time i checked a deathstar that is easily stopped by a screen wasn't considered particularly good.

Isn't that why fly is so important, so you cant be tied down and can flow over units. Who cares about fair, if fair stuff doesn't work and has to face "unfair" stuff daily.

Forget the screen, that deathstar loses instantly to the second floor of ruins, which is one of the most common terrain pieces I've seen.

TWC and TW characters are interesting, but just like dreadnoughts have a critical aversion to stairs, and thus are easily outplayed.

You guys act like units in stairs are hard to kill and that the whole army will be on stairs.

If I see a space wolves player set up a thunderwolf death star across from me you can bet your ass I'm setting my key units up in ruins. The first time Thunderwolf spam runs into a destroyer spam army it's toast and Necrons aren't exactly setting the tournament seen on fire right now.

Spacewolves codex doesn't have cheap troops to spam or a way to farm/recover command points, storm bolter might as well fire plasma shots if it wants to try and balance that inadequacy.

The most powerful thing in the codex is the imperium keyword so it can take guard and knight allies.

Sweet Bolter. I like that a lot, as a CSM and SM player I often feel like our characters aren't very shooty. At least whoever takes this Bolter will put out the dakka. I might have to grab the old drop pod SC box before someone else does! I'm not really into giant wolves...

I'm not sure we'll see this relic too often. The weapon relics aren't usually taken unless the special ability ones are terrible.

Plus if you are doing soup, you'll likely want something from another faction for your WL and relic

jcd386 wrote:
I'm not sure we'll see this relic too often. The weapon relics aren't usually taken unless the special ability ones are terrible.

Plus if you are doing soup, you'll likely want something from another faction for your WL and relic

I might take it in addition to what else I take, I have a wolf lord modeled with a storm bolter

I still think the Storm Bolter relic would be good for a character on a bike. That's would be a decent thing to accompany a Custodes biker captain.

After following a bit of spoilers around, i really don't see them being better than BA and surely not better than DA. Seriously, those robed guys are much stronger than people give them credit for, it's the only marine faction which gets results right now.

Only if Smashcaptains are what you mean by Blood Angels. Seriously the Space Wolves army is looking to be MUCH better.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Only if Smashcaptains are what you mean by Blood Angels. Seriously the Space Wolves army is looking to be MUCH better.

this. People's idea of a strong codex right now is "it has one broken unit I can use with soup" I'd rather a codex be solid over all with a strong internal consistancy and all units "usable" maybe I won't win as many tournies with a collection of cheese but it means I can feel good about my entire army, not run a "space wolves" army that consists of a buncha guard and custodes with a single space wolf HQ backed by some cheap troops

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Only if Smashcaptains are what you mean by Blood Angels. Seriously the Space Wolves army is looking to be MUCH better.

Gotta love this forum, here i am discussing that the SW are not as strong as they look, while at the same time there are 2 threads where it has already been accepted that the new SW are crap.


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BrianDavion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Only if Smashcaptains are what you mean by Blood Angels. Seriously the Space Wolves army is looking to be MUCH better.

this. People's idea of a strong codex right now is "it has one broken unit I can use with soup" I'd rather a codex be solid over all with a strong internal consistancy and all units "usable" maybe I won't win as many tournies with a collection of cheese but it means I can feel good about my entire army, not run a "space wolves" army that consists of a buncha guard and custodes with a single space wolf HQ backed by some cheap troops

The BA codex is a good one and competitive up to regional level tournaments without problems, and with a good part of it's codex.

It's only at top national level tournaments that it shows it's weakness, but at those level you have only a small handful of models available per grand faction, so it is hardly a surprise.

The only problematic codici right now are GK, which have problems even at the local match level and Eldars who give above average results even without optimizing the list to high levels.

Spoletta wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Only if Smashcaptains are what you mean by Blood Angels. Seriously the Space Wolves army is looking to be MUCH better.

Gotta love this forum, here i am discussing that the SW are not as strong as they look, while at the same time there are 2 threads where it has already been accepted that the new SW are crap.

There's always been a strong current on Dakka that basicly declares every codex without an obvious "I win button" as crap.

Why is it that my two space marine armies GK and vanilla seem to be getting worse & worse. GW keeps talking about balance but balancing all the SM armies should be simple as the differences should be relatively minor. The only exception is GK which are a bit different but the focus on daemons makes them very specialised. Silver has no chance against gold.

LOL - why would any of these weapons be better than the gauntlets of ultramar?

Why would a spacewolf have a better storm bolter than Pedro Kantor?

Like...these guys are heros with a gig that they have special relic storm bolters with names. They should be the best. lol.