Why do people Want a Hollywood Warhammer 40k

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**the_scotsman**

Konradleijon wrote:
I’m sure you’ll guys can think of more ways Hollywood would feth it up.[img]

It seems to my The only reason anybody cares about such adaptations in the First place is because of obsessive fanboyism and the age-old insecurity issues of animation, comics, Tabletop games, fantasy books and video games- the asinine idea that they're not real art and need a big boy medium like Film to have their visions truly realized.

If

Warhammer 40,000 The Movie

Coming 2020

Directed by Rian Johnson

**CthuluIsSpy**

Konradleijon wrote:
Maybe a Netflix series like the Castlevaina one

But not like Death Note.
Netflix isn't too reliable with adaptations. Some are great. Others aren't.
Whilst it may be fun to see Wh40k in real time, you'd need a very specific director and cast to pull it off. Otherwise you might end up with another Ultramarines. Which was gak.
Or Dawn of War past Dark Crusade. Which was also gak. Soul Storm was so goofy it became a meme, Dawn of War 2 made the Blood Ravens a bunch of thieves who were secretly heretics and it screwed up the game play, and I haven't play Dawn of War 3 yet but it looks like crap.

The safest thing to do is to just copy a popular Black Library novel. Like Ciaphus Cain or something. If they try to do something original there's a higher chance of them screwing up.

**Konradleijon**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Konradleijon wrote:
Maybe a Netflix series like the Castlevaina one

But not like Death Note.
Netflix isn't too reliable with adaptations. Some are great. Others aren't.
Whilst it may be fun to see Wh40k in real time, you'd need a very specific director and cast to pull it off. Otherwise you might end up with another Ultramarines. Which was gak.
Or Dawn of War past Dark Crusade. Which was also gak. Soul Storm was so goofy it became a meme, Dawn of War 2 made the Blood Ravens a bunch of thieves who were secretly heretics and it screwed up the game play, and I haven't play Dawn of War 3 yet but it looks like crap.

Hollywood is also a crapshoot for adaptation

**CthuluIsSpy**

Which is why none of them should touch it. I'd much rather have the Alfa Legion make a feature film than Hollywood and Netflix. At least they are closely familiar with the lore.

**Konradleijon**

Maybe warhammer community could hire them like they did With to that webcomic

**Trickstick**

I disagree that Ciaphas Cain would make a good starting point for film adaptations. Cain works, in part, because it is a lighter counterpoint to the grimdark setting. It would lose a lot of meaning if you tried to use it as an entry point.

The Cain books do happen to be my favourite though...

**Konradleijon**

See the entire idea of a Warhammmer 40k movie is a monkey’s paw

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Trickstick wrote:
[user]I disagree that Ciaphas Cain would make a good starting point for film adaptations. Cain works, in part, because it is a lighter counterpoint to the grimdark setting. It would lose a lot of meaning if you tried to use it as an entry point.

The Cain books do happen to be my favourite though...

And Cain is still you know a Facist Space-Nazi

**Trickstick**

If you want to know what a movie plot would be, I would bet it would follow the plot of the game Space Marine. Ultramarine goes to world, beats up orks, twist Chaos stuff, bit of Inquisiton nonsense, gloss over much of the Grimness. You can have a female Guardsman if you like, you have the death of a friend etc.

I almost think that the plot of Space Marine was originally a screenplay.

**Konradleijon**

Yes video game movies have a history of being successful

**Mr Morden**

Konradleijon wrote:
I’m sure you’ll guys can think of more ways Hollywood would feth it up.[img]

It seems to my The only reason anybody cares about such adaptations in the First place is because of obsessive fanboyism and the age-old insecurity issues of animation, comics, Tabletop games, fantasy books and video games- the asinine idea that they're not real art and need a big boy medium like Film to have their visions truly realized.

If

If they made a Marvel style film (Clever, well paced, fun, exciting and full of humanity and good characters) then it would be a joyous thing

If they excreted out a Last Jedi style film (Dumb, turgid, dull, badly plotted and worse paced) that would be a tragedy.

**Karol**

I think a smart thing to do would be not to start with a bolter porn , that would be boring for a lot of people, or some deep lore stuff, that would go over the head of most people. Start with something simple and on a smaller scale. Like a detective story about Shira Calpurnia, Guys in schola going through training etc. Something that people could relate even if they don't know or like the w40k lore.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Full Metal Jacket - Guardsmen edition might be fun.
Or Apocalypse Now - Guardsmen edition.
If Spec Ops : The Line can do it, so can Warhammer 40,000

**Mmmpi**

Future War Cultist wrote:

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Mmmpi wrote:
Honestly I think the best way would be to do a Caiphius Cain style. While keeping a whole story, run the scenes almost like individual vignettes. You'd have two narrators, one being older Cain, to set the scene, and to add an almost film noir style introspection. The other would be Amberlee, who provides both insight to the greater meta-plot, and to narrate small informative bits to keep the audience on track if they aren't familiar with the universe. A good example of the style (for the added info montage/flashbacks/infodumps see the Speed Racer movie).

"Amberlee" could start the movie with a brief overview of the universe. Not enough to give everything, but to cover the idea of the authoritarian and violent nature of the protagonists.

Next the film proper starts with Cain attending a mission briefing, and obviously not paying attention, but it's for us, not for him.
After that proceed with the movie. Whenever you need a narrator to describe the scene, old Cain does it, as well as providing inner thoughts. Whenever the audience is going to need more explanation Amberlee comes back and a mini-scene keeps us informed, adds to what's happening that Cain wouldn't know, but we should, or just to make fun of Cain's assumptions.

You could run the dichotomy of the brutality of the universe, with the more humorous moments to keep it from being to alienating to the audience. Cain's very real desire to get the H*** off the front lines would be a connection between the movie and the audience.

Run it as a semi-comedic war movie.

If you go the TV show route, you could almost make it an actionesque military procedural, focusing on Cain trying to stay off the front lines.

I really like this. If you’re going down the comedy route, I suddenly had this image of him doing Malcolm in the middle style asides. Maybe with freeze frames too. Though that might be taking it too far...

I was thinking more of using a scene of him walking down the hall, or arming, or practicing, basically every day life that he would be doing that's not paperwork, with the narrator talking over an otherwise soundless scene.

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Trickstick wrote:
I disagree that Ciaphas Cain would make a good starting point for film adaptations. Cain works, in part, because it is a lighter counterpoint to the grimdark setting. It would lose a lot of meaning if you tried to use it as an entry point.

The Cain books do happen to be my favourite though...

I was thinking that lightheartedness is what would make it a good stepping stone. Start off with his very relatable reactions to his universe, then add in the more behind the scenes grimdarkness, like him being a fascist space nazi.

**CthuluIsSpy**

That would actually be a pretty fun trick to play on the audience.
Oh, you like this character? Well guess what, he's a commissar, which means he's legally permitted to summarily execute soldiers who retreat. See private Jimmy there? His head just got exploded by him. Welcome to 40k.

**Konradleijon**

I don’t think most people would still be interested in it if they pull and switch and make the ‘heros’ Space Nazis

**Mr Morden**

For the Cain movie Just start with the Schola - lectures give you background....

Nice quasi boarding school - oh look he comes the prison van with the targets for the scheduled live firing exercise and interrogation practice.

re the Space Nazi's put people off - worked fine for Starship Troopers - just make the satire subtle/background and lots of action and drama.

In Fact that film is a perfect blueprint for a 40k film in that way.

**the ancient**

Seeing as Relic cant make games anymore. But they pretty good at the intros. Just get them to make a 2hr DOW.

**Konradleijon**

Doing a minute or less cutscenes for a Video game and makeing a hour +plus movie are very different things

**123ply**

I always wanted a movie told from the perspective of somr guardsmrn, and a commisar, in a war agaimst greenskins. Itll be full of inspiring speaches and stuff, and should have a tone that makes the viewers proud to be human (kill xenos and all)
The ending would involve a chapter of marines warping into the space where a void war is waging, smash through the ork ships, then launch a glorious drop pod attack on the planet. The guardsmen will talk to themselves about how the angels of death exist, before one more heartfully imperium speech made by a chaplain about how the human race will not give up the planet and a huge sequence of marine bolter porn domination. Hell yeah.

**Skaorn**

The focus groups for a 40K movie would probably be hilarious for this.

Anyone watch that Warzone movie done on SyFy years ago? 40K would probably be worse.

**Brutus_Apex**

40K I don't think could ever have a successful movie franchise.

In order to make them properly, you're looking at Disney money. No other company right now has the kind of cash to put forth a beautiful looking sci fi/fantasy style movie except Disney on the scale of 40K, except Blade Runner 2049 which was incredibly beautiful but ultimately bombed at the box office. Nobody would take a risk on it, there's already been several sci fi/fantasy franchises that bombed, some that were even good movies.

On top of that Disney wouldn't touch the 40K IP with a 30 foot barge pole, It's way too dark.

Plus the only directors that I can see that would actually make the film dark enough to stay true to the lore would be like David Fincher or Darron Aronofski.

The film would have to be Action/Horror like Aliens, but having a movie like that doesn't usually translate to big bucks at the box office considering that GW is really pushing the mainstream thing right now.

Warhammer is just too dark and brutal for the average person to enjoy. And I would hate to see it watered down to appeal to a wider audience, something thats happening way too much already.

Keep Warhammer grimdark.

**Deadshot**

Brutus_Apex wrote:
40K I don't think could ever have a successful movie franchise.

In order to make them properly, you're looking at Disney money. No other company right now has the kind of cash to put forth a beautiful looking sci fi/fantasy style movie except Disney on the scale of 40K, except Blade Runner 2049 which was incredibly beautiful but ultimately bombed at the box office. Nobody would take a risk on it, there's already been several sci fi/fantasy franchises that bombed, some that were even good movies.

On top of that Disney wouldn't touch the 40K IP with a 30 foot barge pole, It's way too dark.

Plus the only directors that I can see that would actually make the film dark enough to stay true to the lore would be like David Fincher or Darron Aronofski.

The film would have to be Action/Horror like Aliens, but having a movie like that doesn't usually translate to big bucks at the box office considering that GW is really pushing the mainstream thing right now.

Warhammer is just too dark and brutal for the average person to enjoy. And I would hate to see it watered down to appeal to a wider audience, something thats happening way too much already.

Keep Warhammer grimdark.

I dispute that Disney wouldn't touch 40k for its grimdarkness. Reason being - Deadpool and Venom. Disney's acquirement of Marvel and Star Wars shows definitely that they see the value of having A) a massive shared movie universe B) a well known sci-fi IP with legions of ready made fans who crawl to the box office over broken glass to see the latest installment, which definitely fits the description of 40k fans.

On top of this, Deadpool's success and the hype around Venom (and its got Carnage in it as the "baddie" so its definitely not kid-friendly) shows that there is success out there for R-rated mainstream superhero/sci-fi. If Disney acquire the Fox film rights they'll also acquire Deadpool and I doubt they will mess with a winning formula to make it more PG.

Combined these two, you might get Disney taking a gamble. It would also give them a chance to sell toys and collectibles to a more adult audience and expand their fanbase further in their global monopoly.

I also don't think that its too dark for the average person. There are millions of people around the world who enjoy horror, war and harrowing films - the Purge is a good example of a "grimdark" film by many standards, and even why its a prequel (the latest film) people are still eager to see it. Perhaps bombing down with all the lore immediately isn't a good idea, but a grimdark film about Guardsman surviving in a tyrannical oppressive Imperium but only because the other option is death or worse by various alien races or literally fething Daemons from literally metaphorically literal Hell.

**BrianDavion**

Also 40k doesn't HAVE to be presented as Grimdark. violent? sure. grim dark? no. although you'd proably want an element of it.

**Grimtuff**

Deadshot wrote:
Brutus_Apex wrote:
40K I don't think could ever have a successful movie franchise.

In order to make them properly, you're looking at Disney money. No other company right now has the kind of cash to put forth a beautiful looking sci fi/fantasy style movie except Disney on the scale of 40K, except Blade Runner 2049 which was incredibly beautiful but ultimately bombed at the box office. Nobody would take a risk on it, there's already been several sci fi/fantasy franchises that bombed, some that were even good movies.

On top of that Disney wouldn't touch the 40K IP with a 30 foot barge pole, It's way too dark.

Plus the only directors that I can see that would actually make the film dark enough to stay true to the lore would be like David Fincher or Darron Aronofski.

The film would have to be Action/Horror like Aliens, but having a movie like that doesn't usually translate to big bucks at the box office considering that GW is really pushing the mainstream thing right now.

Warhammer is just too dark and brutal for the average person to enjoy. And I would hate to see it watered down to appeal to a wider audience, something thats happening way too much already.

Keep Warhammer grimdark.

I dispute that Disney wouldn't touch 40k for its grimdarkness. Reason being - Deadpool and Venom. Disney's acquirement of Marvel and Star Wars shows definitely that they see the value of having A) a massive shared movie universe B) a well known sci-fi IP with legions of ready made fans who crawl to the box office over broken glass to see the latest installment, which definitely fits the description of 40k fans.

On top of this, Deadpool's success and the hype around Venom (and its got Carnage in it as the "baddie" so its definitely not kid-friendly) shows that there is success out there for R-rated mainstream superhero/sci-fi. If Disney acquire the Fox film rights they'll also acquire Deadpool and I doubt they will mess with a winning formula to make it more PG.

Combined these two, you might get Disney taking a gamble. It would also give them a chance to sell toys and collectibles to a more adult audience and expand their fanbase further in their global monopoly.

I also don't think that its too dark for the average person. There are millions of people around the world who enjoy horror, war and harrowing films - the Purge is a good example of a "grimdark" film by many standards, and even why its a prequel (the latest film) people are still eager to see it. Perhaps bombing down with all the lore immediately isn't a good idea, but a grimdark film about Guardsman surviving in a tyrannical oppressive Imperium but only because the other option is death or worse by various alien races or literally fething Daemons from literally metaphorically literal Hell.

Neither Deadpool nor Venom are Disney movies. The film rights to those characters are owned by Sony.

**Deadshot**

Grimtuff wrote:
Deadshot wrote:
Brutus_Apex wrote:
40K I don't think could ever have a successful movie franchise.

In order to make them properly, you're looking at Disney money. No other company right now has the kind of cash to put forth a beautiful looking sci fi/fantasy style movie except Disney on the scale of 40K, except Blade Runner 2049 which was incredibly beautiful but ultimately bombed at the box office. Nobody would take a risk on it, there's already been several sci fi/fantasy franchises that bombed, some that were even good movies.

On top of that Disney wouldn't touch the 40K IP with a 30 foot barge pole, It's way too dark.

Plus the only directors that I can see that would actually make the film dark enough to stay true to the lore would be like David Fincher or Darron Aronofski.

The film would have to be Action/Horror like Aliens, but having a movie like that doesn't usually translate to big bucks at the box office considering that GW is really pushing the mainstream thing right now.

Warhammer is just too dark and brutal for the average person to enjoy. And I would hate to see it watered down to appeal to a wider audience, something thats happening way too much already.

Keep Warhammer grimdark.

I dispute that Disney wouldn't touch 40k for its grimdarkness. Reason being - Deadpool and Venom. Disney's acquirement of Marvel and Star Wars shows definitely that they see the value of having A) a massive shared movie universe B) a well known sci-fi IP with legions of ready made fans who crawl to the box office over broken glass to see the latest installment, which definitely fits the description of 40k fans.

On top of this, Deadpool's success and the hype around Venom (and its got Carnage in it as the "baddie" so its definitely not kid-friendly) shows that there is success out there for R-rated mainstream superhero/sci-fi. If Disney acquire the Fox film rights they'll also acquire Deadpool and I doubt they will mess with a winning formula to make it more PG.

Combined these two, you might get Disney taking a gamble. It would also give them a chance to sell toys and collectibles to a more adult audience and expand their fanbase further in their global monopoly.

I also don't think that its too dark for the average person. There are millions of people around the world who enjoy horror, war and harrowing films - the Purge is a good example of a "grimdark" film by many standards, and even why its a prequel (the latest film) people are still eager to see it. Perhaps bombing down with all the lore immediately isn't a good idea, but a grimdark film about Guardsman surviving in a tyrannical oppressive Imperium but only because the other option is death or worse by various alien races or literally fething Daemons from literally metaphorically literal Hell.

Neither Deadpool nor Venom are Disney movies. The film rights to those characters are owned by Sony.

Deadpool is owned by Fox as part of the X-Men franchise, and if Disney acquire's Fox's assets including Deadpool.

Venom, along with the entire Spiderman franchise, is owned by Sony but Sony has struck a deal to add Tom Holland Spiderman to the MCU, likely because Toby Maguire's Spiderman 3 bombed and so did the Andrew Garfield Amazing Spiderman films, and they had to can their planned Suicide Squad style Sinister Six movies and realised Marvel was their best chance to get a great spiderman. However, if Venom does sufficiently well, I see no reason why a mutually beneficial deal to include Tom Hardy's Venom in the MCU wouldn't be struck, as it would be profitable for both and allow true Spiderman storylines to mix in. After all, he shares a city with not only Iron Man, but also Daredevil, Punisher, Fantastic Four, and more.

Furthermore, lets not forget the Netflix shows - canonically in the MCU and yet brutal as all hell. Some stuff seen in Daredevil is WAAAAAYYY more brutal and dark than anything in Deadpool.

Disney is looking more and more into dealing with mature themes as they realise more and more adults are remaining a fan of their material, rather than losing interest in their kid friendly material once becoming a late-teenager. Opening up their market to ALL ages is a great idea for Disney and 40k, like Star Wars and Marvel, has a massive, ready made fanbase that will flock to see a 40k movie, meaning they spend less time gambling and drumming up interest.

**Glasdir**

Vitali Advenil wrote:
We'd have to get someone who has a history of making movies because they genuinely like the medium. I mean, can you imagine if Quentin Tarantino got his hands on the right to a 40k movie? It would be brutal, bloody, unapologetic in its darkness, and true to the medium. That would be a best case scenario of a faithful 40k film.

If we got a director like, for example, M. Night Shamalamalymalon... it would be such utter garbage that he'd probably turn it into a musical. Then again, seeing the Ultramarines dance around in a huge musical number would be downright hilarious.

I don't think anyone has suggested Guillermo Del Torro yet but I think he'd be a great director for a film adaption of 40k. Plenty of his films already fall into very similar genres and they've generally been pretty well received. Some of the imagery in Pan's Labyrinth is bordering on being 40k and as another example his Hellboy films were very good and weren't too dissimilar to what we might expect from an inquisitor-centric story. He worked very closely with Mike Mignola to ensure that he was happy with what was being produced and that the films stayed as close as possible to the source material and that Mignola was happy with any deviations from the source material. This is exactly what should be done with a 40k film adaptation.

**Konradleijon**

Why would a nostously independent director like del toro deal with Games Workshop and there iron grip on there I.P

**Davor**

BrianDavion wrote:

And it would Bomb so hard do you think the mainstream audience would be to a setting where the closest thing that aren’t the Taur to ‘hero’s’ that are basically space Nazi and would have a downer ending do you know how many successful Si-Fi over one hundred millions dollar movies have downer endings.

Empire Strikes back?

You forgot Last Jedi.

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Konradleijon wrote:Yes video game movies have a history of being successful

Shame no good Star Trek games lately.

**The Newman**

Konradleijon wrote:
And it would Bomb so hard do you think the mainstream audience would be to a setting where the closest thing that aren’t the Taur to ‘hero’s’ that are basically space Nazi and would have a downer ending do you know how many successful Si-Fi over one hundred millions dollar movies have downer endings. You could probly count them on one hand.

Event Horizon. The last two Alien movies, and arguably Aliens. Starwars episodes 3 and 5. Infinity War part 1. The Twilight Zone. The Wrath of Khan. Adjusted for inflation I'm pretty sure you could include The Fly, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, and Planet of the Apes.

**Glasdir**

Konradleijon wrote:
Why would a nostously independent director like del toro deal with Games Workshop and there iron grip on there I.P

I'll quote my original comment to illustrate my point.

Glasdir wrote:
He worked very closely with Mike Mignola to ensure that he was happy with what was being produced and that the films stayed as close as possible to the source material and that Mignola was happy with any deviations from the source material. This is exactly what should be done with a 40k film adaptation.

My point is that he's worked on film adaptions that deal with a very similar genre before and worked closely with the owner of the IP in order to make sure that he's happy with the production of the film and while Mike Mignola does let other people use his IP I'm fairly sure he's still protective of it and doesn't hand it out to just anyone. All of the instances I can think of where he's let others have free reign with the Hellboy IP, he's worked closely with them to make sure that he's happy with the way his IP is being treated. It really wouldn't be all that different to working with GW. If Del Torro was paired up with someone like Aaron Dembski-Bowden to produce a film I imagine the end result would be fantastic.