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Despite having 40 Plague marines from 2nd to 7th edition already I'll be adding the 20 new ones to my collection, because I'm also a collector. And the new ones are already upscaled and bigger than the old ones.
I'd never replace old models though. The new ones are for apocalypse or scenario play or if I want to set up a whole plague colony. Or if I want to have more CC focused squads, as the old PMs didn't have specialized CC-weapons.

 Bellerophon wrote:
I'd be fine with them upscaling the marine line, if the alternative is phasing it out.

My main issue with Primaris (aside from the fluff) is that they're different from the marine aesthetic that I know and love. The Mk X power armour is OK, but I'm not fond of the various other units (Aggressors, Inceptors etc.) and I loathe the vehicles. But I love the look of the classic armour marks, terminators, rhino chassis, land raiders etc. I hate the thought that all of that could disappear in favour of the new things.

^There it is. Basic Primaris marines look good, rest of the range looks derp and I would never integrate those in my army, present or future.
Also, existing Marine range is modern, looks good and has excellent swapping and customization options so it doesn't really encourage change.

Perhaps people are thrown off by the term (re)buy?

I didn't mean buy new stuff and get rid of the old, I simply meant that for a lot of us we would be purchasing units we already have.

It's nearly 50/50, but I sense that upscaled old Marines would sell better than the Primaris line simply because of the lore involved with them. A lot of us prefer our old Marines and that will be a hard sell to simply phase them out. I think upscaling would add a lot of years to the SM line.

 darkcloak wrote:
Perhaps people are thrown off by the term (re)buy?

I didn't mean buy new stuff and get rid of the old, I simply meant that for a lot of us we would be purchasing units we already have.

It's nearly 50/50, but I sense that upscaled old Marines would sell better than the Primaris line simply because of the lore involved with them. A lot of us prefer our old Marines and that will be a hard sell to simply phase them out. I think upscaling would add a lot of years to the SM line.

Frankly, not phasing out the old marines really doesn't make sense from the lore perspective. Why would they continue making worse marines when they can make better ones? Even if the upgrade process thing would not be true, most old style marines in the setting are now over a century old. They will literally die out. All marines will be Primaris soon. Granted, you of course could give the Primaris old style gear and squad compositions.

I might buy additional marines. I wouldn't buy replacement marines.

 Crimson wrote:

 darkcloak wrote:
Perhaps people are thrown off by the term (re)buy?

I didn't mean buy new stuff and get rid of the old, I simply meant that for a lot of us we would be purchasing units we already have.

It's nearly 50/50, but I sense that upscaled old Marines would sell better than the Primaris line simply because of the lore involved with them. A lot of us prefer our old Marines and that will be a hard sell to simply phase them out. I think upscaling would add a lot of years to the SM line.

Frankly, not phasing out the old marines really doesn't make sense from the lore perspective. Why would they continue making worse marines when they can make better ones? Even if the upgrade process thing would not be true, most old style marines in the setting are now over a century old. They will literally die out. All marines will be Primaris soon. Granted, you of course could give the Primaris old style gear and squad compositions.

Lots of things don't make sense from a lore perspective. Like how the Mechanicus strive to recover and preserve knowledge from STC's but also don't send copies to Mars.

The lore mistake you're making is assuming the Mechanicus are one organization all working together. But actually they are petty rivals with similar goals and methods. So keeping tech they find isn't surprising to me.

 Crimson Devil wrote:
The lore mistake you're making is assuming the Mechanicus are one organization all working together. But actually they are petty rivals with similar goals and methods. So keeping tech they find isn't surprising to me.

Also while it may not be in the best interest of the imperium it's certainly in the best interest of the forgeworld to keep any unique patterns secret. If you can get the exact same tech from multiple other forgeworlds it becomes a lot easier to write a forgeworld off as acceptable losses. Or even potentially declare exterminatus on that forgeworld to prevent it falling into the wrong hands in extreme circumstances.

 IronBrand wrote:

 Crimson Devil wrote:
The lore mistake you're making is assuming the Mechanicus are one organization all working together. But actually they are petty rivals with similar goals and methods. So keeping tech they find isn't surprising to me.

Also while it may not be in the best interest of the imperium it's certainly in the best interest of the forgeworld to keep any unique patterns secret. If you can get the exact same tech from multiple other forgeworlds it becomes a lot easier to write a forgeworld off as acceptable losses. Or even potentially declare exterminatus on that forgeworld to prevent it falling into the wrong hands in extreme circumstances.

But considering they're meant to be priests and they're deliberately failing at their sacred task it's a little weird. I'm not saying they should pop over to a neighbour Forge World and revamp their stuff just send a copy of what you need to make specialised equipment and how to make it to Mars as a backup. But instead you have things like "we can't make this anymore" and "only one place in the galaxy can make this super special tank".

pm713 wrote:
"only one place in the galaxy can make this super special tank".

"Which is why you should really send those 15 chapters and 437 regiments to come save us."

I would not. Because i don't like marines.

 Crimson wrote:

 darkcloak wrote:
Perhaps people are thrown off by the term (re)buy?

I didn't mean buy new stuff and get rid of the old, I simply meant that for a lot of us we would be purchasing units we already have.

It's nearly 50/50, but I sense that upscaled old Marines would sell better than the Primaris line simply because of the lore involved with them. A lot of us prefer our old Marines and that will be a hard sell to simply phase them out. I think upscaling would add a lot of years to the SM line.

Frankly, not phasing out the old marines really doesn't make sense from the lore perspective. Why would they continue making worse marines when they can make better ones? Even if the upgrade process thing would not be true, most old style marines in the setting are now over a century old. They will literally die out. All marines will be Primaris soon. Granted, you of course could give the Primaris old style gear and squad compositions.

A logistics bottleneck could explain it. "Chapter master, we only have eneugh MK X armor to equip half the chapter" "ALRIGHT SEND THE MARINES IN NAKED" "....... sir" "Nah Im just kidding with you, we'll keep a half and half Marine to Primaris Marine recruitment policy until we can get the logistics sorted out"

also some chapters are slow to adapt and may want to wait a few generations before completely switching over.

given the speed the IoM moves at we've proably got a thousand years if not more before Marine chapters completely switch over... that said I just assmbled the new Space Wolves Primaris Battle leader and he really REALLY is just an upscaled standard marine. The Bolt Carbine looks EXACTLY like an old school boltgun

Nah. I think the older marine kits look fine and if I want bigger better marines I have a pretty decent collection of Primaris guys to build off of. I really have no issue combining differently scaled marine kits together especially since the difference in height has a lore reason.

If the Space marines in the Dark imperium boxed set had been described as being the exact same Space Marines as they've always been but now the models are a good chunk larger, I wouldn't have bothered. I'd have completed my Marine army as best I could and that's it. However, since they're a new unit type, we've got the best of both worlds. People who want big, tall Marines can have them. People who want to expand their existing army can do so, and at some point, I might even end up with enough Primaris models to field an entire army of them anyway.

As a chaos player I too wonder if we will get the Primaris treatment. The new Rubric and Plague Marines are fairly taller than the old plastic kits, hell the current multipart plastic CSM are shorter than even the updated tacticals from a few years back. Would I replace my current models? Nope im already too invested, though Im considering trying to scale up my current CSM army to beat GW to the punch so they look more in line with the newer Chaos plastic.

As the question is worded, no. I got my new Chapter bug out of my system last year with the Primaris.

If Dark Imperium had instead launched with upscaled Marines, I probably would have used them to start a new Chapter anyway.

No way.
I've got quite a lot of classic-scale marines - chucking in a single primaris would turn them all from inhuman bio-engineered supersoldiers (they're significantly bigger than regular humans and that's enough for me) to puny little old-marines.
I was never a fan of the whole "truescale" mania. GW's kits have always been a little silly with their proportions, and I think that gave the IP a bit more of a sense of fun. Grimdark and silly must surely go hand-in-hand.

I don't mind a bit of gradual size creep, but primaris were too much of a leap up for me.
On top of that, there are a bunch of design features to them that I really don't appreciate as much as the 90s redesign we've had for like the past 20 years. Whilst the new helmets are nice, they're essentially the same as the mk. iv, whilst the outline of the bodies are, in my opinion, too broken up and indistinct - it feels like GW has taken too many design queues from stuff like halo in terms of the body, and I can't say it feels as distinct as the slightly goofy classic marine.
For example, the gatling guns and missile pods on a lot of the primaris stuff screams "Gundam Wing" to me, whilst the extra armor panel detail feels too reminiscent star wars's imperial ships (and lucas's scale-through-detail designs) the overall effect, for me is a bit too generic, and leaves a sour taste in the mouth.
On top of that, a whole bunch of stuff seems to be jumping up in scale - I love the eisenhorn sculpt, but isn't he as big as a classic marine?
furthermore, most of the primaris supporting units are terribly ugly, and have that same "knockoff Chinese MMO" feel that plagues a lot of the stormcast range. The fluff has been horribly cack-handed, but if the models weren't so underwhelming, I might be able to forgive it.

I hope, rather than getting the embiggening treatment, classic marines get a bit more 40k love from Forgeworld, with a few chapter-specific characters and interesting HQ models as they're put to sleep by Nottingham. Regardless, I've more than enough of the marines I like, and the introduction of primaris coincides with my wanting to wrap up my marine army anyway, and move on to other 40k armies.

Eisenhorn is on a scenic base which raises him up a bit. Also, he's a character - he's not the only one who's bigger than the mooks around them. Just chalk that up to "heroic scale".

Nope, I wouldn't buy upscaled "regular" marines. The scale of the game has crept too high as it is.

I would probably buy upscaled marines. After playing against a few Primaris equipped armies I am more and more enamored by the larger scale. Feels like it conveys the superhuman feel a bit more.

Nope for me. 400+ marines, including Primaris, I don’t need more models.

If I was buying from scratch? Yeah, I’d buy upscale marines - but I’d buy Primaris too.

I said yes, but I have reletively easy access to the Space Marine Heroes set which are exactly what this poll is asking about. Using them to build myself a lamenters force.

 Spartan089 wrote:
As a chaos player I too wonder if we will get the Primaris treatment. The new Rubric and Plague Marines are fairly taller than the old plastic kits, hell the current multipart plastic CSM are shorter than even the updated tacticals from a few years back. Would I replace my current models? Nope im already too invested, though Im considering trying to scale up my current CSM army to beat GW to the punch so they look more in line with the newer Chaos plastic.

As a chaos player building a new army, I am planning to do exactly his.

Currently I'm only working on cultists, but if/when I start making some marine-based units (havocs, chosen, or berzerkers/noise marines) I'll be converting them from primaris kits or similar. So that if/when GW end up releasing new stuff for chaos, I'll be ahead of the game.

 Eldarsif wrote:
I would probably buy upscaled marines. After playing against a few Primaris equipped armies I am more and more enamored by the larger scale. Feels like it conveys the superhuman feel a bit more.

I definitely agree with this. There is just something about that chunkier model that just feels more transhuman than the smaller model did. Maybe it's the literal heft compared to regular Marines?