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Iron_Captain wrote: Yeah, the universe is infinite by definition. "Universe" literally means "everything", the definition of the universe is that it contains everything, therefore it is literally impossible that something could exist yet not be part of the universe. There is no such thing as "beyond the universe". It is not like there is a border or edge to the universe, which is a common misconception of people who hear about theories about finite/infinite universe, which refers whether the universe has a limited or unlimited volume, not whether it has an edge or not that you could hypothetically go beyond. It bears mentioning though that these theories are not very solid. A flat, infinite universe is what is currently the most widely accepted theory since it corresponds with what has been observed so far, but the evidence is so scarce that even a single discovery could change that.
"There is no such thing as "beyond the universe"." The universe seems to do some strange things if it actually is "everything there is". For instance - it is expanding - in the past it's condense and exploded. Logically I think there must be some kind of void or medium in which the universe exists.
No, that is impossible. The universe is not expanding into anything, it is just expanding. If you have trouble comprehending this, that is normal. Since we can perceive only 3 dimensions, we have trouble comprehending higher-dimensional structures. And the universe has at least 4, but it may have as many as 10, 11 or even 26 dimensions that bend into themselves.
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Iron_Captain wrote: Yeah, the universe is infinite by definition. "Universe" literally means "everything", the definition of the universe is that it contains everything, therefore it is literally impossible that something could exist yet not be part of the universe. There is no such thing as "beyond the universe". It is not like there is a border or edge to the universe, which is a common misconception of people who hear about theories about finite/infinite universe, which refers whether the universe has a limited or unlimited volume, not whether it has an edge or not that you could hypothetically go beyond.
It bears mentioning though that these theories are not very solid. A flat, infinite universe is what is currently the most widely accepted theory since it corresponds with what has been observed so far, but the evidence is so scarce that even a single discovery could change that.
Perhaps. Unless you subscribe to the multiverse theory, in which case “our” universe is just a small bubble of reality floating in a sea of other bubbles. And that that point I start to think about what that means in terms of scale and the relationship of us to planets, to star systems, to our galaxy, to the local cluster and to the network of galaxies we sit in, and then I start to get a headache and need a lie down, happy knowing that at least I know enough to be beyond the dunning Kruger spike and well in to the “I don’t have a clue and I know it” part of the curve for both cosmology and quantum physics.
insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
Xenomancers wrote: Ehhh - just take comfort in knowing that none of this matters and will never affect you. There are some real logical paradoxes going on in quantum mechanics right now. I am not a genius but I think we have some very fundamental things wrong right now. We still don't know what causes gravity...but we are looking for a theory of everything. Seems premature.
That data we are getting from study is just so absurd that it might as well be static. These guys will literally tell you that empty space is actually full of gigantic antimatter explosions but at the same time it is not...
Plus they just can't get over the fact that space is flat - meaning the universe can not be infinite. Their heads are in the clouds man.
I thought large amounts of mass creates gravity, that's why large objects like stars, planets, etc are able to pull things towards them. I think even small objects still have gravitational pull it's just it's so small that's mostly unnoticeable.
We know that things that have mass create gravity. We don't know why. We don't know if it's a particle we haven't discovered. We don't know it's relation to other forces. Plus at the quantum level - gravity basically doesn't exist. We know very little about it.
Iron_Captain wrote: Yeah, the universe is infinite by definition. "Universe" literally means "everything", the definition of the universe is that it contains everything, therefore it is literally impossible that something could exist yet not be part of the universe. There is no such thing as "beyond the universe". It is not like there is a border or edge to the universe, which is a common misconception of people who hear about theories about finite/infinite universe, which refers whether the universe has a limited or unlimited volume, not whether it has an edge or not that you could hypothetically go beyond.
It bears mentioning though that these theories are not very solid. A flat, infinite universe is what is currently the most widely accepted theory since it corresponds with what has been observed so far, but the evidence is so scarce that even a single discovery could change that.
"There is no such thing as "beyond the universe"."
The universe seems to do some strange things if it actually is "everything there is". For instance - it is expanding - in the past it's condense and exploded. Logically I think there must be some kind of void or medium in which the universe exists.
No, that is impossible. The universe is not expanding into anything, it is just expanding. If you have trouble comprehending this, that is normal. Since we can perceive only 3 dimensions, we have trouble comprehending higher-dimensional structures. And the universe has at least 4, but it may have as many as 10, 11 or even 26 dimensions that bend into themselves.
It's not impossible. It actually makes logical sense. How can something expand without expanding into something? How can something exist without having a location (the singularity of the big bang).
If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder
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