Will Chapter Approved 2018 contain all the info for Chapter Approved 2017?

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**Ghaz**

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chapter_Approved

Chapter Approved was a regular column in White Dwarf in which officially approved background and rules information created by the Warhammer 40,000 design team - often the head designer directly - were published. It also included looks 'behind the scenes' at the design process, as well as trial rules and FAQs. These articles were collected into annual-style compilation books several times, also called Chapter Approved and subtitled as the 'Books of the Astronomicon'.

Originating in the first edition of WH40K, it resurfaced during Third Edition, and the tenure of Andy Chambers as the system's head designer (or the Warhammer 40,000 Overfiend, as the position was also then known). Readers of White Dwarf were invited to write in to him with requests for material to be featured; be it rule clarifications, unit discrepancies, a focus on certain background, or even suggest the creation of certain rules and units. These requests were met upon several occasions, with articles stating they were created in response to reader request. Other articles were created to act as player aids or designer soapboxes. The column ceased appearing in the transition to Fourth Edition, only to intermittently resurface some time later, without the 'frontperson' of the departed Andy Chambers.

The 3rd edition Chapter Approved (2002 I believe) had the Vehicle Design Rules or 'VDR' of which the Land Raider rules in Chapter Approved 2017 can be considered a successor of.

**BaconCatBug**

GW have painted themselves into a no-win situation here and I have zero sympathy for them.

If they include the 2017 points changes, people will be angry. If they don't, people will be angry.

Points changes should ALWAYS be free errata. Period. If GW want to charge people for fluff and mission packs, fair enough. But fundamental errata to the rulebooks we already bought? That should be available for free.

**Darsath**

BaconCatBug wrote:
GW have painted themselves into a no-win situation here and I have zero sympathy for them.

If they include the 2017 points changes, people will be angry. If they don't, people will be angry.

Points changes should ALWAYS be free errata. Period. If GW want to charge people for fluff and mission packs, fair enough. But fundamental errata to the rulebooks we already bought? That should be available for free.

I find it a little ridiculous that people would be willing to pay for a balance update in the form of points changes or rules changes. These things should be provided free, and updated in new prints of the Rulebooks and codexes.

**ClockworkZion**

BaconCatBug wrote:
GW have painted themselves into a no-win situation here and I have zero sympathy for them.

If they include the 2017 points changes, people will be angry. If they don't, people will be angry.

Points changes should ALWAYS be free errata. Period. If GW want to charge people for fluff and mission packs, fair enough. But fundamental errata to the rulebooks we already bought? That should be available for free.

As someone with a CA 2017 I won't be mad if they reprint points changes, but I otherwise agree. The point of putting points in the back of the book was to allow for points changes, so why not just release those as a free download for each army as well as in the book?

**Karol**

Ghaz wrote:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chapter_Approved

Chapter Approved was a regular column in White Dwarf in which officially approved background and rules information created by the Warhammer 40,000 design team - often the head designer directly - were published. It also included looks 'behind the scenes' at the design process, as well as trial rules and FAQs. These articles were collected into annual-style compilation books several times, also called Chapter Approved and subtitled as the 'Books of the Astronomicon'.

Originating in the first edition of WH40K, it resurfaced during Third Edition, and the tenure of Andy Chambers as the system's head designer (or the Warhammer 40,000 Overfiend, as the position was also then known). Readers of White Dwarf were invited to write in to him with requests for material to be featured; be it rule clarifications, unit discrepancies, a focus on certain background, or even suggest the creation of certain rules and units. These requests were met upon several occasions, with articles stating they were created in response to reader request. Other articles were created to act as player aids or designer soapboxes. The column ceased appearing in the transition to Fourth Edition, only to intermittently resurface some time later, without the 'frontperson' of the departed Andy Chambers.

The 3rd edition Chapter Approved (2002 I believe) had the Vehicle Design Rules or 'VDR' of which the Land Raider rules in Chapter Approved 2017 can be considered a successor of.

What besides the name does it have to do with the rules DLC that is CA in 8th?

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Darsath wrote:

I find it a little ridiculous that people would be willing to pay for a balance update in the form of points changes or rules changes. These things should be provided free, and updated in new prints of the Rulebooks and codexes.

how bad is your codex? now I can't speak for other Grey Knight players, but if the 2018 suddenly gives 4-5 pages of solid codex rewrite of rules, am more then willing to pay for the rules. I bought the GK codex, and it is worse then the index and the index is free online.

**ClockworkZion**

Karol wrote:
Ghaz wrote:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chapter_Approved

Chapter Approved was a regular column in White Dwarf in which officially approved background and rules information created by the Warhammer 40,000 design team - often the head designer directly - were published. It also included looks 'behind the scenes' at the design process, as well as trial rules and FAQs. These articles were collected into annual-style compilation books several times, also called Chapter Approved and subtitled as the 'Books of the Astronomicon'.

Originating in the first edition of WH40K, it resurfaced during Third Edition, and the tenure of Andy Chambers as the system's head designer (or the Warhammer 40,000 Overfiend, as the position was also then known). Readers of White Dwarf were invited to write in to him with requests for material to be featured; be it rule clarifications, unit discrepancies, a focus on certain background, or even suggest the creation of certain rules and units. These requests were met upon several occasions, with articles stating they were created in response to reader request. Other articles were created to act as player aids or designer soapboxes. The column ceased appearing in the transition to Fourth Edition, only to intermittently resurface some time later, without the 'frontperson' of the departed Andy Chambers.

The 3rd edition Chapter Approved (2002 I believe) had the Vehicle Design Rules or 'VDR' of which the Land Raider rules in Chapter Approved 2017 can be considered a successor of.

What besides the name does it have to do with the rules DLC that is CA in 8th?

Besides being a continuation of the same concept, especially the hardcopy roll-up at the end of the year? I guess nothing.

**Karol**

How are rule sets in a WD, comperable to points switching for all factions on a yearly update cycle.?They have nothing in common. I checked just now and it seems the old chapter aproved was put down there so people had more options, to play subfactions etc The 8th CA is nothing like that. Most of the time the changes make people play with fewer units.

**Darsath**

Karol wrote:

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Darsath wrote:

I find it a little ridiculous that people would be willing to pay for a balance update in the form of points changes or rules changes. These things should be provided free, and updated in new prints of the Rulebooks and codexes.

how bad is your codex? now I can't speak for other Grey Knight players, but if the 2018 suddenly gives 4-5 pages of solid codex rewrite of rules, am more then willing to pay for the rules. I bought the GK codex, and it is worse then the index and the index is free online.

Paying a premium for 4 pages of rules is, indeed, ridiculous.

**ClockworkZion**

Karol wrote:
How are rule sets in a WD, comperable to points switching for all factions on a yearly update cycle.?They have nothing in common. I checked just now and it seems the old chapter aproved was put down there so people had more options, to play subfactions etc The 8th CA is nothing like that. Most of the time the changes make people play with fewer units.

The "build your own custom land raider for fun games" rule set is EXACTLY like old Chapter Approved. So are the expanded ways to play rulesets.

**Karol**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Karol wrote:
How are rule sets in a WD, comperable to points switching for all factions on a yearly update cycle.?They have nothing in common. I checked just now and it seems the old chapter aproved was put down there so people had more options, to play subfactions etc The 8th CA is nothing like that. Most of the time the changes make people play with fewer units.

The "build your own custom land raider for fun games" rule set is EXACTLY like old Chapter Approved. So are the expanded ways to play rulesets.

Ok, I saw my son posting here, so I will chim in. I remember the CA vehicles and tyranid monster design rules, and they were nothing like the land raider building rules. They were all about building 1 mass points t10 tyranid monsters , static gun platforms with mega blast gatling las cannons aka str 10 2d3 shot lascannons with blast etc

**ClockworkZion**

Karol wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
Karol wrote:
How are rule sets in a WD, comperable to points switching for all factions on a yearly update cycle.?They have nothing in common. I checked just now and it seems the old chapter aproved was put down there so people had more options, to play subfactions etc The 8th CA is nothing like that. Most of the time the changes make people play with fewer units.

The "build your own custom land raider for fun games" rule set is EXACTLY like old Chapter Approved. So are the expanded ways to play rulesets.

Ok, I saw my son posting here, so I will chim in. I remember the CA vehicles and tyranid monster design rules, and they were nothing like the land raider building rules. They were all about building 1 mass points t10 tyranid monsters , static gun platforms with mega blast gatling las cannons aka str 10 2d3 shot lascannons with blast etc

"Nothing alike" and yet it still fits the same template: building something cool to take in a game (with opponent's permission). Scale isn't as important as the intent behind the rules.

**RogueApiary**

It's going to take a seriously amazing book to get me to purchase CA 2018. 2017 was utter gak in terms of hobby content. The worst offender being the objective markers section which was basically just "Use the heroic base kit to make objective markers!" Unless the reviews are glowing, I'll just wait for Battlescribe to update the points values and manually add them in to my copy of CA 2017.

**tneva82**

Darsath wrote:
The General's Handbook contains the points cost for all the units for players who want to play with points (so basically everyone) instead of how Chapter Approved functions where it contains points adjustments. I suspect that we'll see the points changes from last year's Chapter Approved in this year's aswell, with maybe some of those changes being tweaked again.

GH's approach is more player friendly though. And ironically that's what would have justified the idea of having points at BACK of the codex rather than among units. That's how people assumed points would be changed(entire page) as that way you would need to just replace one page rather than alter multiple pages if you adjusted each datasheet having point cost. However the way CA does it you don't actually gain anything from having them at the back as you need to be flipping around multiple sources anyway and if you handwrite changes you could have done just as well to datasheet.

It almost feels like GW was initially planning general handbook style but after codex format was settled got change of heart(why though? You need codex anyway for rules and if you get those from elsewhere you likely can get points as well).

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Karol wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
Karol wrote:
How are rule sets in a WD, comperable to points switching for all factions on a yearly update cycle.?They have nothing in common. I checked just now and it seems the old chapter aproved was put down there so people had more options, to play subfactions etc The 8th CA is nothing like that. Most of the time the changes make people play with fewer units.

The "build your own custom land raider for fun games" rule set is EXACTLY like old Chapter Approved. So are the expanded ways to play rulesets.

Ok, I saw my son posting here, so I will chim in. I remember the CA vehicles and tyranid monster design rules, and they were nothing like the land raider building rules. They were all about building 1 mass points t10 tyranid monsters , static gun platforms with mega blast gatling las cannons aka str 10 2d3 shot lascannons with blast etc

So because they provide less room for broken combo's it's bad?

The more freedom you have in custom building rules the more it has by neccessity have to be super weak or they will end up giving you brokenly good combinations.

**Grimtuff**

Mordian2016 wrote:
The worst is all the fluff in the rule book and codexes

3rd edition 40k called and wants its pamphlet codexes back.

**fraser1191**

Firstly I expect the genestealer codex to be released before CA 2018 so they don't need to have beta rules in there like sisters

Then I expect to see 6 more missions for maelstrom and eternal war with the Sisters beta rules. Plus some updated rules for Apocalypse(though this one probably won't have much of the same content to try and keep CA 2017 relatively relevant)

Things I'm hoping for but don't expect to see would be updated data sheets. I don't have anything particular in mind but I would like to see a new data sheet for something to show us that GW will take units back to the drawing board beyond points adjustments

I'm unsure how I feel about side games also being in CA 2018 too. But let's be honest if you wanna move more books that'd be the way

**alextroy**

What do I expect compared to CA2017?

Open Play - Something I can't even imagine to in place of the Apocalypse and Land Raider rules, but not an reprint or addition of either.
Narrative Play - More Narrative Scenerios centered around some new theme
Match Play - More Matched Play Rules and Scenerios
Faction Rules - Replaced with Sisters of Battle Beta Codex
Appendix - Updated Points Values. Hopefully fully new sheets to replace those in the Codexes and FAQ Documents for all armies expect Orks

If we are really lucky, they will squeeze new and improved Advanced Terrain Rules in one of those areas.

**Sgt. Cortez**

Scenarios will be the most important aspect for me. No matter how much the rules change, scenarios last forever.
The least important will be point values, as they could change again next year and can be found on battlescribe some days later. I'm always surprised how much people on dakka are focused on point values when that's the part you usually get already through leaks before the book even arrives.

**Dysartes**

My preference, as someone who owns CA2017, would be for each year's version of CA to include the full set of points tweaks for the latest version of the codex (or, for now, index) for each army - so anything from CA2017 or the Spring 2018 FAQ would be listed.

Having one source as a central reference for these would be more player-friendly than needing both books, especially if something has been changed in more than one place over time.

I mean, yeah, I'd much prefer such changes be released for free online, but if they're going to stick with the "Points changes are listed in CA" approach, then than list needs to be complete.

**Crimson**

Dysartes wrote:
My preference, as someone who owns CA2017, would be for each year's version of CA to include the full set of points tweaks for the latest version of the codex (or, for now, index) for each army - so anything from CA2017 or the Spring 2018 FAQ would be listed.

Having one source as a central reference for these would be more player-friendly than needing both books, especially if something has been changed in more than one place over time.

I mean, yeah, I'd much prefer such changes be released for free online, but if they're going to stick with the "Points changes are listed in CA" approach, then than list needs to be complete.

Yes, absolutely. It is not even a money thing, it usability thing.

**leopard**

Quite, the day you go from needing:

- rule book
- codex
- latest FAQ for both
- most recent Chapter Approved

to needing every Chapter Approved to date the game becomes unmanageable quickly.

keep the older ones for scenarios rules etc related to specific scenarios, but for gorks sake have a single reference for updated points.

Ideally CA should have the complete points but accept thats vanishingly unlikely to ever happen

**fraser1191**

leopard wrote:
Quite, the day you go from needing:

- rule book
- codex
- latest FAQ for both
- most recent Chapter Approved

to needing every Chapter Approved to date the game becomes unmanageable quickly.

keep the older ones for scenarios rules etc related to specific scenarios, but for gorks sake have a single reference for updated points.

Ideally CA should have the complete points but accept thats vanishingly unlikely to ever happen

Maybe you could wait till it comes out and if not feel free to send them an email every day next year telling them to put it in

**Stux**

leopard wrote:
Quite, the day you go from needing:

- rule book
- codex
- latest FAQ for both
- most recent Chapter Approved

to needing every Chapter Approved to date the game becomes unmanageable quickly.

keep the older ones for scenarios rules etc related to specific scenarios, but for gorks sake have a single reference for updated points.

Ideally CA should have the complete points but accept thats vanishingly unlikely to ever happen

"Every Chapter Approved to date" could quite easily never be more than 2 Chapter Approved.

Still not a big fan of the system, points changes should be free to access, but let's be realistic here. There'll be an edition reboot eventually, and I wouldn't be surprised if this one is half way through its life already.

**Mordian2016**

Stux wrote:
leopard wrote:
Quite, the day you go from needing:

- rule book
- codex
- latest FAQ for both
- most recent Chapter Approved

to needing every Chapter Approved to date the game becomes unmanageable quickly.

keep the older ones for scenarios rules etc related to specific scenarios, but for gorks sake have a single reference for updated points.

Ideally CA should have the complete points but accept thats vanishingly unlikely to ever happen

"Every Chapter Approved to date" could quite easily never be more than 2 Chapter Approved.

Still not a big fan of the system, points changes should be free to access, but let's be realistic here. There'll be an edition reboot eventually, and I wouldn't be surprised if this one is half way through its life already.

Ah you're probably right. I want to spend cash on minis and paints, not more books

**G00fySmiley**

I am hoping they put the changes in the new CA from the previous one... though I have stopped getting dead tree editions in favor of electronic versions so its just a bit more data on the tablet. I do like the fluff in books, but kind of with GW woudl on thepaper editions pull a 7th edition rules book and do multiple books for all codexed too. make a fluff book and a slim rules and points section. if they did that I would still probably buy digal editions, but would liekly get paperbacks too as backups.

**Ecclesiarch 616**

It would make the game seriously bloated if every new player had to buy RB, Codex and all editions of CA. When I started playing back in Rogue Trader I read the fluff until the books almost fell apart, all the minis were lead and had to be imported from England to Australia.