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I personally don't feel Bile will make CSM Primaris. That's not his main driving force. He knows SMs are a means to an end and is a big part of his hypocrisy, as we see repeated throughout the novels.

If the New Men are the future of humanity then why does Bile endure? When will he finally accept death? "Not until my work is done" is the repeated mantra of Bile. Now, there is a snippet of Bile wanting to acquire them in the CSM codex, but that to me is simply in the name of science. The Consortium wastes nothing and there is a brand new batch of biological material roaming the galaxy, of course they're going to want them and put parts of those genetics into the New Men.

BrianDavion wrote:I wou;dn't advance it, this to my view doesn't seem like it's intended for anything beyond a chance to give players a shot at a "loyalist traitor sucessor chapter" much like how they're vague about the orgins of some old style chapters. Thus this is something I thinkl should very much be kept in "neither confirm nor deny" territory.

Arachnofiend wrote:Given the existence of chapters like the Sons of the Phoenix it seems like Cawl pretty happily ignored Guilliman's order and put the chaos legion geneseed to use.

That's actually quite interesting. Are there any other Primaris chapters that are equally suspicious? I've still got to work out what to do with my starter set Primaris, (if anything) and could really use some inspiration.

I’d progress both the Primaris and the Alpha Legion at the same time by having the Alpha Legion steal information and use it to create their own Primaris Marines then having them surrender flawed portions of that information to Chaos in order to maintain their sketchy loyalist/traitor theme and run a story forcing them to choose one way or another.
Chaos gets Jurassic Park style monster Primaris and Alpha Legion divulges information on some kind of End Game or keeping the balance scenario.

As much as I don't like the primaris marines, they do represent a natural way for GW to move chaos marines away from same as marines but with more spikes. I'm not sure exactly were they should go with them but I would like them to split the line off to get some more unique stuff.

I think the traitor legions should rescue the frozen primaris and educate them on the state of the galaxy. Then GW should sell lots of traitor primaris.

Although they are fixing the scale and ugliness issues with chaos marines as we speak.

locarno24 wrote:

I was under the impression that fluff had Bile part ways from the children

Ye, but the same can be said of Ahriman prior to the gathering storm series and ahriman trilogy.

Ahriman was still very Tzeentch though. Used the Tzeentch powers, Tzeentch troops, etc. Bill isn't Slaanesh.


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BrianDavion wrote:
chaos Primaris would kinda dissappoint me TBH, I'd prefer to see GW have chaos acheive a similer but differant result with warp fuckery. Maybe some sort of "demonicly enhanced" marines, not actually posessed but...

on that note, posessed terminators would be truely an awesome idea.

Codex: Obliterator Cults with in-between stages.

Make it happen GW!

Personally I'd just retcon the entire bloody thing. Have it so Cawl isn't such a snooty plonker and just give all Marines the improved wound characteristic. Merge Tactical Squads and Intercessors together so you have Tactical Special and Heavy Wargear options with the Bolt Rifles instead of Bolters, keep the Reivers, Aggressors and Inceptors as they are genuinely new and have their own roles. Allow all models to use transports. Keep Scouts as they are with 1 wound.

Then we could have Fabulous Bill steal a couple of dead ones and start cloning them.

I have always thought that the basic marine statline should be str 5, tough 5, w2. But after pointing that appropriately it would make marines impractically elite from an army building perspective. Maybe they could balance it by giving swarmy dudes a respawn/reinforce mechanic, but now that is talking a major shift in game dynamic.

I also think primaris would have been better as a new set of gear and armor rather than whole new marines. Cawl is MECHanicum so it makes more sense even.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

locarno24 wrote:

I was under the impression that fluff had Bile part ways from the children

Ye, but the same can be said of Ahriman prior to the gathering storm series and ahriman trilogy.

Ahriman was still very Tzeentch though. Used the Tzeentch powers, Tzeentch troops, etc. Bill isn't Slaanesh.

Yup. Bile is an almagamation of Rick Sanchez, people who appear on r/iamverysmart and every insufferable atheist you've ever met (though it does make a good character weirdly...). He does not believe in the Chaos gods at all- to him they're simply "Ever hungry warp entities given sentience by gullible mortals" (of words to that effect). The 3rd Legion is dead, broken apart and dulled by entropy, though he still makes them address him as "Lieutenant Commander" as he's a hypocritical dick like that.

Fabius Bile Marines and his enhancements. DONE.

He's the evil scientist for CSM, and they've been mentioning him a lot more lately.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I have always thought that the basic marine statline should be str 5, tough 5, w2. But after pointing that appropriately it would make marines impractically elite from an army building perspective. Maybe they could balance it by giving swarmy dudes a respawn/reinforce mechanic, but now that is talking a major shift in game dynamic.

I also think primaris would have been better as a new set of gear and armor rather than whole new marines. Cawl is MECHanicum so it makes more sense even.

If the basic marine stat line is t5 then Plague Marines and Lychguard are t6. That uh, might be a bit much.

Andykp wrote:


Although they are fixing the scale and ugliness issues with chaos marines as we speak.

They are not fixing anything, they are making chaos marines the size of primaris, which is stupid as there are already arts and descriptions of them being smaller than primaris all over 40k, and will get even more discrepancy with the 'classic" Space Marine range . And with the Chaos range.

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Given the existence of chapters like the Sons of the Phoenix it seems like Cawl pretty happily ignored Guilliman's order and put the chaos legion geneseed to use.

By the way, I have just found about the Sons of the Phoenix and they are gorgeous, the first Primaris I may consider collecting (they have a better 40k esthetic, too)

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Fabius Bile Marines and his enhancements. DONE.

He's the evil scientist for CSM, and they've been mentioning him a lot more lately.

I've always found Bile to be even more vile than a lot of the chaos characters. He was a scum bag even before the heresy and I've never read anything to indicate that there was any real taint or chaos influence to his fall, it's just that by serving various chaos warbands on a contractors basis he gets recruits and materials to continue his experiments.

HoundsofDemos wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Fabius Bile Marines and his enhancements. DONE.

He's the evil scientist for CSM, and they've been mentioning him a lot more lately.

I've always found Bile to be even more vile than a lot of the chaos characters. He was a scum bag even before the heresy and I've never read anything to indicate that there was any real taint or chaos influence to his fall, it's just that by serving various chaos warbands on a contractors basis he gets recruits and materials to continue his experiments.

"Evil scientist" lmao. Bile is DR.Mengele, brought to space and 40k'ed. Heck he killed off whole fething planets for experiments for his new humans! He leads a whole fething cabale of evil minded ex apothecaries! All in the name of science! (and general fuckery and dickery)