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Techpriestsupport wrote: Well, accorind to one version of the background which made sense a marine had to begin implants in early puberty as the process used the body's natural growth to work. This actually made a lot of sense so gw probably killed it.
As to taking a full grown centuries old old marine and upgrading him, I can't say it makes sense but it gw wants to do it they will.
I jus can't see matured bones that have Been fused with ceramic based strengthening agents during growth staring to grow again.
Maybe he's wearing super primaris armor that boosts him while he's wearing it somehow.
The primaris lore says that's exactly what they did with the first batches, took fully matured space marines and added three organs to them, which caused further changes on top of the changes they had already undergone to become space marines. Also not all geneseeds required the recipient to be that young, Lukas the trickster for instance has descendants among the mortals of fenris. There is also an order for the the organs to be implanted, for most geneseeds the first starts early and other organs are added over a course of a few years. These two new organs require that the marine have undergone the rest of the implantation first, and thus be a mature marine before their addition.
Lucas has relations with women after being made a space marine, there's no way he bedded thousands of women when an adolescent, and if he looks too young to have been changed as an adult.
Basically any time he's banished between campaigns he goes and visits the ladies, and sometimes during campaigns because it'll annoy his current wolf lord.
Yep, if anything that die is cast - as expected. I did imagine that Space Marine characters might escape the Primaris treatment and would simply get larger models to more readily fit with the aesthetic. After all most characters had good stats anyway and relic armour with invulnerable saves means that Primaris would add little to them. However I think it's safe to say that "most" if not all revamped marine characters will be getting the Primaris treatment. I'd like to see some chapters resist personally...but if there is a model to make money, it's unlikely.
Stormonu wrote: When did Calgar get Anakin'ed? I know he lost a tussle with the Swarmlord, but I'm not versed enough on the lore to remember hearing anywhere he'd lost any limbs.
That is Rogue Trader background, which hasn't been current since 2nd Ed., I believe.
In the Rogue Trader version, Calgar grew up as a Genestealer Cult slave-boy, before breaking out and joining the Ultramarines, In that version, he had lost both arms and both legs and those were replaced by cybernetics.
Mind you, at that time, the Ultramarines were also still a successor chapter to the Rainbow Warriors, had an Half-Eldar Librarian and Maccragge was a weird dust/desert planet where people went sand-shrimp fishing.
As for multiple Calgars, GW has though of that. Preview on Warhammer Community (see spoiler) uses Marneus Calgar keyword to limit you to one. Simple and effective.
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I am not sure why that is news though?
There're already 2 Calgar entries in the Index, and you can only take one.
Likewise, you can only take one Logan Grimar, not one with and one without sled. You can only take one Njal, not one with and one without Terminator armour. You can only take one Sammael, not one on jetbike and one on landspeeder. You can only take one Khan, not one on bike and one on foot. Etc..., etc.., etc...
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Tiberius501 wrote: What confuses me is why a Chapter Master is so damn powerful. He’s more powerful than Captain-general Valoris of the Custodes haha
Custodes got the biggest power-up retcon ever.
Just a few years ago, they were just random dudes with a six-pack and a cone-head helmet, roughly the size of the Imperial Guard Primaris Psyker. Now they've all been retconned to be superhumans double plus XXXL. Can't really complain about fishy retcons as a Custodes player.
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Techpriestsupport wrote: Well, accorind to one version of the background which made sense a marine had to begin implants in early puberty as the process used the body's natural growth to work. This actually made a lot of sense so gw probably killed it.
As to taking a full grown centuries old old marine and upgrading him, I can't say it makes sense but it gw wants to do it they will.
I jus can't see matured bones that have Been fused with ceramic based strengthening agents during growth staring to grow again.
Maybe he's wearing super primaris armor that boosts him while he's wearing it somehow.
The primaris lore says that's exactly what they did with the first batches, took fully matured space marines and added three organs to them, which caused further changes on top of the changes they had already undergone to become space marines. Also not all geneseeds required the recipient to be that young, Lukas the trickster for instance has descendants among the mortals of fenris. There is also an order for the the organs to be implanted, for most geneseeds the first starts early and other organs are added over a course of a few years. These two new organs require that the marine have undergone the rest of the implantation first, and thus be a mature marine before their addition.
Lucas has relations with women after being made a space marine, there's no way he bedded thousands of women when an adolescent, and if he looks too young to have been changed as an adult.
Basically any time he's banished between campaigns he goes and visits the ladies, and sometimes during campaigns because it'll annoy his current wolf lord.
Lots of citation needed there. Sources for Lukas doing it with thousands, doing it as a Space Marine at all and him doing anything like that to annoy people.
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Techpriestsupport wrote: Well, accorind to one version of the background which made sense a marine had to begin implants in early puberty as the process used the body's natural growth to work. This actually made a lot of sense so gw probably killed it.
As to taking a full grown centuries old old marine and upgrading him, I can't say it makes sense but it gw wants to do it they will.
I jus can't see matured bones that have Been fused with ceramic based strengthening agents during growth staring to grow again.
Maybe he's wearing super primaris armor that boosts him while he's wearing it somehow.
The primaris lore says that's exactly what they did with the first batches, took fully matured space marines and added three organs to them, which caused further changes on top of the changes they had already undergone to become space marines. Also not all geneseeds required the recipient to be that young, Lukas the trickster for instance has descendants among the mortals of fenris. There is also an order for the the organs to be implanted, for most geneseeds the first starts early and other organs are added over a course of a few years. These two new organs require that the marine have undergone the rest of the implantation first, and thus be a mature marine before their addition.
Lucas has relations with women after being made a space marine, there's no way he bedded thousands of women when an adolescent, and if he looks too young to have been changed as an adult.
Basically any time he's banished between campaigns he goes and visits the ladies, and sometimes during campaigns because it'll annoy his current wolf lord.
Lots of citation needed there. Sources for Lukas doing it with thousands, doing it as a Space Marine at all and him doing anything like that to annoy people.
It's called the space wolf codex...
It's also mentioned in his book.
Every two years the wolf lords fight to see who has to take him into their great army, loser gets stuck with him, Lukas then sets out to make their lives hell in a way tailored to each lords greatest flaw.
Rybrook wrote: Calgar was ripped limb from limb in the battle for maccrag by nids at the ice monastey where the whole 1st company was lost
From that I think he’s a quadruple amputee
Can anyone actually quote this?
I remember reading about the battle in the Battle for MacCragge starter set (was that 3E or 4E), as I recall. It was further discussed in the Ultramarine codex that came out in that edition. I do remember him getting stomped the 1st round, but can’t verify the lost limbs.
Techpriestsupport wrote: Well, accorind to one version of the background which made sense a marine had to begin implants in early puberty as the process used the body's natural growth to work. This actually made a lot of sense so gw probably killed it.
As to taking a full grown centuries old old marine and upgrading him, I can't say it makes sense but it gw wants to do it they will.
I jus can't see matured bones that have Been fused with ceramic based strengthening agents during growth staring to grow again.
Maybe he's wearing super primaris armor that boosts him while he's wearing it somehow.
The primaris lore says that's exactly what they did with the first batches, took fully matured space marines and added three organs to them, which caused further changes on top of the changes they had already undergone to become space marines. Also not all geneseeds required the recipient to be that young, Lukas the trickster for instance has descendants among the mortals of fenris. There is also an order for the the organs to be implanted, for most geneseeds the first starts early and other organs are added over a course of a few years. These two new organs require that the marine have undergone the rest of the implantation first, and thus be a mature marine before their addition.
Lucas has relations with women after being made a space marine, there's no way he bedded thousands of women when an adolescent, and if he looks too young to have been changed as an adult.
Basically any time he's banished between campaigns he goes and visits the ladies, and sometimes during campaigns because it'll annoy his current wolf lord.
Lots of citation needed there. Sources for Lukas doing it with thousands, doing it as a Space Marine at all and him doing anything like that to annoy people.
It's called the space wolf codex...
It's also mentioned in his book.
Every two years the wolf lords fight to see who has to take him into their great army, loser gets stuck with him, Lukas then sets out to make their lives hell in a way tailored to each lords greatest flaw.
One of those I've read and it mentioned NOTHING like that and the other I'm reading and it hasn't mentioned Lukas going out to meet every woman nearby either.
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Isn't the situation already wierd enough nowadays, seeing as if I remember correctly, Guilliman himself originally wore the Gauntlets of Ultramar (after stripping them off a Chaos Marine champion and reconsecrating them) but with the upscaling of Guilliman, somehow they are still small enough for Calgar to wear them.
"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."
Techpriestsupport wrote: Well, accorind to one version of the background which made sense a marine had to begin implants in early puberty as the process used the body's natural growth to work. This actually made a lot of sense so gw probably killed it.
As to taking a full grown centuries old old marine and upgrading him, I can't say it makes sense but it gw wants to do it they will.
I jus can't see matured bones that have Been fused with ceramic based strengthening agents during growth staring to grow again.
Maybe he's wearing super primaris armor that boosts him while he's wearing it somehow.
The primaris lore says that's exactly what they did with the first batches, took fully matured space marines and added three organs to them, which caused further changes on top of the changes they had already undergone to become space marines. Also not all geneseeds required the recipient to be that young, Lukas the trickster for instance has descendants among the mortals of fenris. There is also an order for the the organs to be implanted, for most geneseeds the first starts early and other organs are added over a course of a few years. These two new organs require that the marine have undergone the rest of the implantation first, and thus be a mature marine before their addition.
Lucas has relations with women after being made a space marine, there's no way he bedded thousands of women when an adolescent, and if he looks too young to have been changed as an adult.
Basically any time he's banished between campaigns he goes and visits the ladies, and sometimes during campaigns because it'll annoy his current wolf lord.
Lots of citation needed there. Sources for Lukas doing it with thousands, doing it as a Space Marine at all and him doing anything like that to annoy people.
It's called the space wolf codex...
It's also mentioned in his book.
Every two years the wolf lords fight to see who has to take him into their great army, loser gets stuck with him, Lukas then sets out to make their lives hell in a way tailored to each lords greatest flaw.
One of those I've read and it mentioned NOTHING like that and the other I'm reading and it hasn't mentioned Lukas going out to meet every woman nearby either.
Really you missed the story about the great company that went missing because the Lord hit on a female Eldar at a banquet? I don't know if that's in the 8th ed book but it's been in past books.
Then you have Ragnar who's always getting hot under the armour for various women.
It's clear the conditioning to stop marines not being interested in sex is not working as intended for the wolves.
In the Rogue Trader version, Calgar grew up as a Genestealer Cult slave-boy, before breaking out and joining the Ultramarines, In that version, he had lost both arms and both legs and those were replaced by cybernetics.
Mind you, at that time, the Ultramarines were also still a successor chapter to the Rainbow Warriors, had an Half-Eldar Librarian and Maccragge was a weird dust/desert planet where people went sand-shrimp fishing.
As for multiple Calgars, GW has though of that. Preview on Warhammer Community (see spoiler) uses Marneus Calgar keyword to limit you to one. Simple and effective.
I am not sure why that is news though?
There're already 2 Calgar entries in the Index, and you can only take one.
The OP mentioned taking two Calgars, and I made a joke about taking four.