Space marines= cyborgs?

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**Niiai**

Donna Haraway would argue we are already cyborgs.

**Irbis**

Wyzilla wrote:
Any armor will be at its thinnest on the armpits due to simple mobility concerns. Either your armpit is well armored, or you can move your arm. You can't have both.

The problem is, GW models do try to have both, and you have SM with seriously weird, inhuman anatomy. See this DW model:

I like the look of Mk VIII, but to fit the groin plate and thighs, the sculptor had to move the leg several centimeters sideways, making it attach to the side, not the bottom of the body...

**Wyzilla**

Irbis wrote:
Wyzilla wrote:
Any armor will be at its thinnest on the armpits due to simple mobility concerns. Either your armpit is well armored, or you can move your arm. You can't have both.

The problem is, GW models do try to have both, and you have SM with seriously weird, inhuman anatomy. See this DW model:

I like the look of Mk VIII, but to fit the groin plate and thighs, the sculptor had to move the leg several centimeters sideways, making it attach to the side, not the bottom of the body...

The codpiece is more the fault of the fact that it is physically impossible to make agile, movement accommodating armor that well-armors the groin with anything short of a long skirt. Trying to make codpieces useful and functional is a doomed endeavor.

**Crimson**

Irbis wrote:

I like the look of Mk VIII, but to fit the groin plate and thighs, the sculptor had to move the leg several centimeters sideways, making it attach to the side, not the bottom of the body...

It is because the legs being separate from the torso causes these weird gaps at the hips. I always covered it with either gear or greenstuff on my minimarines. Primaris do not have this problem.

**jeffersonian000**

Techpriestsupport wrote:
jeffersonian000 wrote:
All Astartes are cyborgs, due to all of them having neural interface plugs which are required for them to use their power armor. And while the majority of their implanted organs are organic, the Black Carapace is plastic. Their very nature is that of a transhuman cybernetic organism. And that’s before replacement limbs.

SJ

This is exactly what i WAS thinking.

One thing, even if the carapace is a type of plastic it can still be organic. Most plastics are made from organic molecules.

All plastics are organic, and the Black Carapace is specifically described as a “Bio-Plastic” which is a redundant statement.

SJ

**nareik**

Part of the process of creating space marines widens the hips, giving tremendous 'thigh gap'.

Thats my head canon.